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Just seen txts of the woman I had suspicion off please help

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Acalavero · 08/03/2019 12:23

Absolutely distraught so please be gentle Sad
Iv actually written a post before about how dps female colleague said some stuff which rang some alarm bells for me (you can search the post from my username)

Well now I went n looked at his phone and in complete shock I'm so so shocked they've been txting.
I had to check rly quick COs he was in the shower, all I saw was her saying "might have to have a biopsy would u still fancy me with one boob?"

His reply "of course I would"

Then another text from him saying when they could see each other

I was in a panic not 100% but I'm sure I saw a txt from him saying "I'd like u on top"

I just can't believe it. This is a woman who he's told me before looks old n isn't his type at all. He also said she was a HO (higher officer) n it's not good practise for flanderings with HOs. I think that was a time when I getting suspicious about her so asked

Now I'm not sure what to do. I'm in rly big shock because he's told me before she's 40 n single, wants to have kids n settle down. What hurts me the most she knows about me so how can she do this? What do I do now?
He talks about me quite a bit in work so I just can't fathom why she would consider having an affair with him when she knows he's in a long term relationship with two children

I dunno what to do. I can't confront him can i this soon? Weird thing is this week we've been rly close one of my students has committed suicide so I've been rly out of sorts n he's been there for me n basically we spend every evening together. It's not like he's been away

N if he does go away with work she doesn't go because she's a HO so now I'm wondering how did this happen/develop

Please someone help me I'm in a rly low position Iv told my friend today but she couldn't talk properly feel like I have no one to speak to right now

OP posts:
Iwouldratherbemuckingout · 15/03/2019 07:56

I'm really sorry you're going through this but nobody can answer those questions for you. Would you believe him if he said he cares about you ? No one who cares about their partner treats them the way he has treated you. You deserve much better.

Janus · 15/03/2019 07:59

I think some people can get past an affair but feel it’s in different circumstances.
With that I mean it was a relationship that developed when something else was wrong with a marriage and they have managed, with lots of counselling, to get through but mostly because I think the wrongdoer has been totally mortified and heartbroken with what they’ve done. I’m sorry but I have a very strong feeling that that’s not your other half. I’m afraid he will somehow twist it to all being your fault. I’m sorry but for those who have got past it I think it was fundamentally because their partner was a decent person before doing something awful. I’m not sure your partner sounds like a decent person with all he’s put you through.

Mmmmbrekkie · 15/03/2019 08:00

The OP will shortly leave this thread
She has no intention of leaving him

Acalavero · 15/03/2019 08:08

@Janus

Thanks so much for your answer
Everything you've said makes complete sense. I do have a feeling if I confront him , he will be telling me to go! Will probably say "well you can't trust me anyway" or go mad I went through his phone. I rly don't think he'd be truly sorry
I want to tell his parents as well but without me sounding like the poor victim. I'm thinking of sending a message and just letting them know. They're the only ones he values I'd say. He puts them before me and the children, that's for sure

OP posts:
Werkit · 15/03/2019 09:02

You sound scared, desperate, and a little in denial. No judgment from me; I understand. I also understand why some posters are frustrated with you. It’s blatantly obvious to everyone here that this man is an utter shit to you, and that you NEED to leave, both for yourself and for your children.

You don’t need proof. You don’t need him to actually stick his dick in someone else before you can leave. You need to recognise that you’ve already got proof that he’s crossed a line - he’s pursuing another woman and you, probably accurately, believe that he wants to make this physical.

You say he’s “not really abusive” any more, but what do you mean by not really. Is he abusive but it’s not as bad as it used to be, so you’re figuring that’s a good thing? No abuse is okay!

Counselling isn’t going to change him, but you might benefit from seeing someone on your own. It sounds like your self-esteem is at rock bottom, and you really need to realise that you are worth SO MUCH more than this!

Secretly getting a mortgage isn’t going to get you out. You need to find somewhere to rent, or move in with a friend or family member in the short term. A women’s refuge might be a terrifying idea, but even that would be a better situation than the one you’re in now.

Do the Freedom Programme online now; you can try to meet other women in the summer when you have more time, but you can make a start immediately.

My situation was different because I didn’t have children with the dickhead, but I’ve been in an abusive relationship. I too spent almost three years believing that I could change him, that he did actually care about me (I wanted to believe he was struggling with personal demons or something Hmm). He was a master of gaslighting and I thought I was to blame for many of his actions. He moved onto threats of physical violence, but led me to believe that if he hurt me it’d be my fault - he couldn’t be held responsible if I had wound him up to the point that he hurt me. Throughout the relationship I had suspicions he was seeing someone (or more than one person) beside me, and I saw evidence of this, but he accused me of having trust issues and made me believe I was paranoid, had mental health problems and was imagining it all. He tried to isolate me from my friends (and nearly succeeded), he would create a drama whenever I saw them and was very vocal about how awful they were for me.

When I eventually ended it, purely because I’d had enough (he threatened violence against my male friends, turned up at a night out I was at and demanded I leave, aggressively swore at me), he tried to love bomb and win me back. I told my female friends I’d left him and their response was to say “OH THANK FUCK”, hug me, then take me out to celebrate.

He carried on trying to win me back, sent pleading messages saying how much he missed me. I then found out he had been simultaneously seeing at least 8 other women the entire time we were together, I was actually the OW when we got together, and he’d been in an apparently serious relationship for three months before I left him. The other women and I ended up becoming friends (granted, that’s unusual!), I had counselling, I can see him for the utterly pathetic specimen he was and my life is SO MUCH better now.

I’m so sorry for writing such a long response, and for going into so much detail!

You deserve better than this, and ripping the plaster off and getting out would be the best thing you could do. Everyone on this thread is behind you, and I’m sure everyone in real life would be overjoyed if you left him too. You are stronger than you realise and you can do this!

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 15/03/2019 10:59

OP: what should I do?
MN: LTB

OP: he doesn't love me, does he?
MN: no, LTB

OP: but he owns the house
MN: you'll sort something, LTB

OP: is he cheating on me?
MN: yes, LTB

OP: but we've got a holiday booked
MN: so what, it will be shit, LTB

OP: can we get through this with counselling though
MN: collective sigh

And so on

category12 · 15/03/2019 12:12

It's worse than that, it's

Op - I grew up with the same dynamics between my parents so it seems normal to me.

Continues to inflict same pattern on own children.

ooItsAoBeautifulDayNow · 15/03/2019 12:17

@category12 has really useful take on this and as someone who broke the cycle I can tell you it feels GREAT to have addressed this and know that the cycle has stopped now - it's very empowering. Wishing you good luck OP Thanks

SandyY2K · 15/03/2019 13:01

It's not about whether he'll leave you for her, it's about what you know he's doing.

A lot of men having affairs, have no intention of leaving their partner.

If he'll turn it back on you, don't tell him you looked on his phone. You don't actually need to confront him.

It's enough (once you've got a plan in place) to end the relationship because you aren't happy. You don't need a laundry list of reasons.

Quite simply...you say you aren't happy in the relationship and haven't been for a while, so rather than carry on like this, it's better for both of you and the DC to end it amicably.

I'm like you. I don't like confrontation. I avoid it at all costs.... but that won't stop me from taking steps to get out of the situation.

I've done it with friends and previous relationships. Of course I didn't have children with these people, so I appreciate it's not as easy.

You know what he's up to. You don't need to tell him you know. The only thing I'd personally try and do is get the evidence of his sexting... just to keep for myself.

In years to come when he tries to play the victim or tell the DC I just walked out on him... I can tell him I knew exactly what he was up to and who with. Of course he'll deny it until he saw the proof.

So do not worry about confronting. It's not necessary.

Maddy762 · 15/03/2019 15:55

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SandyY2K · 15/03/2019 17:13

can you look at having your children adopted or placed in the care of family?

That's unnecessarily cruel and uncalled for IMO.

GetStrongKeepFighting · 15/03/2019 17:29

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user1479305498 · 15/03/2019 18:27

I do genuinely believe there are some women on here who really won’t be happy unless everyone is a struggling single mum (I know not all are) . Listen OP, the guys a shit but it’s your call, either buckle up for the ride or make plans to be moving on at some point , doesn’t have to be now, can be when it suits you if you don’t act in haste, hard I know but doable

Closetbeanmuncher · 15/03/2019 21:01

No one wants OP to be a struggling single mum user498. We want her to focus on the important stuff such as the security of her children, and wake up before he kicks her and the children out on the street again!

If you don't want to leave him because you have a holiday booked or you don't want to be alone on your birthday op I really don't have any words...

The options are this...

  1. Stay with him and hope he chooses you
  2. Leave with your self respect and dignity in tact and find someone who can keep their cock in their pants

There's no need to spend months ruminating on anything, acknowledge it for what it is and proceed accordingly...It really is that simple.

Werkit · 15/03/2019 21:09

I don’t think anybody wants the OP to be a ‘struggling single mum’. It seems to me everybody on this thread, even those who have expressed that they’re frustrated, want what’s best for the OP.

She deserves so much better than this. She already knows what she needs to do.

Acalavero · 15/03/2019 21:38

Well this is odd
Checked phone and all texts have gone!! He had kept them all on n I was trying to have a quick peak at night
But this evening checked n looks to be deleted so no correspondence at all. So strange..

So could this mean he knows I'm snooping? Or has he met her today at work n it's moved onto physical so now knows he needs to get rid of any evidence...

OP posts:
Acalavero · 15/03/2019 21:43

Just want to add I appreciate every single comment on this thread (even the harsh ones) believe me when I say I have NO one to talk to about this. I wouldn't keep this thread open if I didn't want or relish in hearing your thoughts, opinion and advice.
Rereading these posts makes me feel stronger

My problem now is the txt message thread from ow has gone from his phone. He has deleted it some time today as last time I checked was last night.
This makes me think he knows I know? So now I'm in a pickle. Should I just make hints I know?

OP posts:
Maddy762 · 15/03/2019 21:52

I’m sorry to be harsh I just feel your children deserve better.
What are you hoping to achieve?

Tiredmum100 · 15/03/2019 21:58

Oh my god. Really!! LTB! I am sorry you are finding things hard but he clearly doesn't love you. I have just read all your posts. You're clearly not going to do anything about it. You just want to be told it'll be ok. It wont. It's just so so sad. Your poor dd's.

Closetbeanmuncher · 15/03/2019 22:05

Sorry but I'm inclined to agree with @Maddy762

Why are you not making preparations to leave instead to obsessing over something you have no control over and potentially walking into your and your children being thrown out on the street again.

I can't quite get my head around what your MO is??? 😦

babyno5 · 15/03/2019 22:28

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PerpendicularVincent · 15/03/2019 22:32

Why hint? Just tell him and leave.

Acalavero · 15/03/2019 22:36

I'm just after everyone's opinions on why the thread with ow might suddenly be deleted?

Could this suggest he knows I have snooped?
He's still leaving phone around casually so it makes me wonder if that isn't the case?

Or could there have been something that happened today and he wanted rid of evidence?

Just thoughts opinions please

OP posts:
babyno5 · 15/03/2019 22:43

For god sake OP IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY!!!! stop obsessing!!!

BumbleBeee69 · 15/03/2019 22:47

He's covering his arse by deleting the evidence that he's having sex with someone else.

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