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Is it ok for my bf to say this....

237 replies

Pinkypie22 · 09/02/2019 18:48

'I'm a big man. No one can tell me what to do. I behave in a way that I find acceptable. I can do what I like.'

This was in response to me saying that perhaps we wouldn't argue if he behaved in an acceptable way. (He always accuses me of arguing if ever ask a question or don't follow his Instructions).

This exchange came about because this morning he asked me to call his daughter and ask to borrow some money. The money is for him, not me. I didn't want to but I can't lend it him so reluctantly agreed. I said i would message rather than call as its less pressurusing for her. He was ok with that. Until she didn't read the message straight away so he hung up on me. He came back in a strop, snapped at me when I asked if was going to the gym. Then he left without a word. He came back a couple of hours later, barely spoke to me other that to tell me he was going to his mums because I couldn't lend him my old phone as its not charging properly. Of course he was annoyed about that roo.

After he made his 'I can do what I like' speech he stormed out the house. Having told me earlier that he won't be back until tomorrow evening, missing a family party he said he would come to.

Is this just me being over sensitive and over thinking? Or am I right to be upset at how he behaved? I've lost all perspective 😞

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TooTragicToBeFunny · 10/02/2019 07:45

My own experiences of them have been next to useless. But if you tell them there are drugs involved that may be another matter.

Is the house yours?

I would recommend changing the locks, leaving his stuff outside then waiting for him to lose his shit so you call 999.

I know that sounds drastic but I tried the well-planned, be-reasonable route with my far less worse ex and if just gets worse. The longer you put up with it the less others believe you.

Gina2012 · 10/02/2019 07:49

I think if it's your house and there is abuse happening - you are allowed to change the locks (even though it's his home too)

If it were me I'd

  1. Report to the Police for protection
  2. Report to Women's Aid and ask for help
  3. See your GP and Health Team for support and advice
  4. Have a free appointment with a solicitor to check what you can do re the locks, finances etc
  5. See the CAB re the debts and general finance advice
  6. Apply for Child Maintenance from him
  7. Get as many real life people as you can involved as support
  8. Change all joint accounts or bills into your name only
  9. Tell the Council and apply for single person discount on council tax
10. I'm sure others will come up with more advice for you Thanks
SinkGirl · 10/02/2019 08:28

I understand bankruptcy isn’t an option if you own your house (unless there’s no equity in it, then it is an option) but there are other options such as IVAs.

Call your health visitor tomorrow morning and say you need to speak to someone urgently about domestic violence. They are tied in with lots of other agencies who can help you. I’d also make a detailed police report. You can change the locks yourself, it’s not difficult or expensive but if you know anyone who can help you with this then that’s a job you don’t have to worry about.

How old are your other children? Do they live at home? Does he turn on them?

PixieDust92 · 10/02/2019 08:34

Oh no :( he is emotionally abusive and that is just as bad as being physically abusive. The fact he told you 'you don't do as you're told' is a red flag, he is controlling. If my partner ever spoke to me like that or made me feel worthless I would leave. It sounds like you tread on eggshells :( x

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 09:16

Domestic support outreach workers can’t really help further if you’re in some stage of enabling him and believing things can get better if you just wait it out. I got through to Women’s Aid when I was calling about my ex emotional control still recently in about 3 tries of calling. Stop making excuses sweetheart I know it’s scary and I know you want to believe things can change but they can only change if you leave.

I know you’re afraid about money and afraid you won’t be able to cope financially without him but you will. You can get a lodger maybe, a female lodger? You can start doing some work from home stuff. As someone else has said : Debt can be managed. Domestic abuse cannot be managed by you.

You need to make police report that he has forced you to take out these loans and you are afraid of his explosive reactions so you did it. Maybe then you can have valid reason to have the repayments frozen for a while. At the moment I’m on a thing where I told them I have no £ and am single parent and the loan company agreed I can just pay £1 per month and froze interest.

Otherwise you’re in danger of being just one of those women who blindly believe in their addict man based on very little flimsy hope from him/ one promise that “I’ll stop when...”(being “clean” 3 weeks is nothing ! If that’s true...) And then you are part of the problem.

Hearing about the financial abuse too I agree with TooTragic in that you borrow some money from a family member or friend so you can pay someone to change the locks then inform police. Or get someone to stay with you when he comes home after you tell him you want to separate and ask if he stay somewhere else. It’s YOUR house, the police will tell him to go away if he tries to force entry to your house after you’ve told them how he treats you. Wait for him to lose his shit and call police saying he’s outside.

Look up “coercive control” - it’s a crime - what he’s done it commit a crime in frightening and coercing you into getting into debt for him to feed his addiction because he can’t manage his own life/ lost his job etc. If it wasn’t for you bailing him out he would actually get real consequences and hit real rock bottom.

You are not responsible for him. You are not responsible for his feelings or his messes he’s made.

If there is no police report, in the eyes of the court & police - it.never.happened. Then you don’t have a leg to stand on if he takes you to court for custody. He can pay £200 and represent himself and drag you through court for months or years just to spite you. However, if you have called police and have an incident number etc ... then CAFCASS who are the social workers who will get involved to help decide what’s best for the child will take your concerns seriously. Otherwise it’s just his word against yours and I echo what a previous poster said - the longer you put up with it, the less people will believe you.
They think your blind loyalty to the man is greater than your rational instinct to protect your children & they’ll consider taking children away. You need to show you have taken REAL steps to protect your children from this drug addict abusive man. Otherwise he can switch all “nice” - claim you are the one with issues - and try and get custody and you will look like just one of those unstable women who lie about domestic abuse to get revenge on an ex. The system is skewed towards giving abusive men contact at all costs - do not believe anyone that tells you it’s fair and “child centred” - if he takes you to court and asks for shared care (what my ex did) then they will give him what he asks for or push you to agree to it because if CAFCASS finds no serious reason not to allow contact ... they will say “we don’t see why he can’t have shared care if he wants it as there’s no clear reason / evidence against it”.
If you have police report this is clear evidence that he is abusive however. Also with domestic abuse as an element you would qualify maybe for legal aid so you could order drugs tests which he’d be order to pay half the costs of. At this point I bet he’d drop the court case and stop asking for custody.
I repeat again - if you don’t report it to police, in the eyes of professionals :/ the court, it did not happen.

He’s not going to consistently make loan repayments and stick to it or stick to sobriety when he’s being enabled by you to continue throwing his weight around and continue his addict behaviours - getting you to take loan out for him, asking his daughter for money for him - you’re his enabler at this point and it’s not your fault because he’s coerced you into it but once you have awareness - which you do now because of this thread & the fact you’ve spoken to women’s aid yourself - you know what’s happening now - and you know he’s financially controlling you and coercing you as well - if you continue making excuses for him or believing that things will get better or that once he gets back on track he’ll be back making payments again, then you are consciously continuing to enable him.
Nothing is more important to an addict than getting their fix. He will never truly hit rock bottom whilst he is still enabled by living in your house and getting you to get £ for him, feeding off the power he gets by controlling you.

Don’t feel sorry for him. Just do what you have to do to get you and your children out of this situation before it gets worse or you lose all credibility.

You can do this ! Don’t be scared just jump through the fire and on the other side things will be better, it will work out financially somehow. But you need support and you need police involvement.

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 09:24

The problem if you don’t report it now - if there’s a court situation / you’re trying to explain debt that he made you get into —- it looks like you are just “making it up” on the spot, because he’s taking you to court and you want to stop him seeing his child out of spite.
If there’s no historical record of it, he can always argue that you’re just making things up now to make him look bad and he can be like “I’m a good father I’ve done nothing wrong, she’s just got it in for me”.
Women sadly do this all the time and they’re on the look out for that more than being on the look out for truly abusive men.
The system will support him because you have no evidence and so you’ll be handing your baby over to an abusive drug addict every week. Sorry to be harsh but that’s what can happen if you don’t report it.

Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 10:23

Reading all this makes me feel like I can't breathe. I'm in so deep I can't think straight.

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bluejelly · 10/02/2019 10:30

Don't panic. You'll get through this. And one day, very soon, you'll be safe and calm and free.
Thanks to you
Do you have a trusted friend you can talk to?

TooTragicToBeFunny · 10/02/2019 10:33

Pinky it’s a lot to take on. You don’t know where to start, I know.

First thing is to tell someone in RL. A friend, SS, the police, the NSPCC, Just someone.

crazygirluk · 10/02/2019 10:39

As long as the debts aren't secured on your house, forget about them for now. If you don't have the money there's not a lot they can do.
Visit money saving expert debt free wannabe forum. They will give advice on going on a debt management plan and you'll be able to pay much less than you are right now. Credit rating will be trashed but probably already is from missed payments anyway.

category12 · 10/02/2019 10:41

You can rebuild your credit rating. Your priority needs to be getting him out of your life.

Sunshineboo · 10/02/2019 10:47

Have you got any real life support that perhaps recognises what is going on?

Also, I know how horrific it is to write off a debt, but you are better off loosing the money and loosing him than waiting for. Debt to be repaid (which never will) and loosing yourself along the way x

BlankTimes · 10/02/2019 10:58

At what point does this type of behaviour become abuse?

Every word you wrote in that post apart from your last sentence about being so tired you can't see it is evidence of abuse.

jelliebelly · 10/02/2019 11:07

Yes this is abuse. Yes you need to kick him out. No he won't ever help you sort the financial mess - you'll need to do that yourself but with help from citizens advice or similar. Think about your baby's future and kick him out.

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 12:02

Sorry if any of my messages have overwhelmed you @pinkypie22
Take some time to just connect to yourself and your baby in real life and just take the first steps which is to report it to Police in real life and tell them everything.

The only reason I was telling you all the hypothetical stuff about court was so you can see the implications if you just bury your head in the sand and don’t officially report it. (Like I did because I always wanted to believe he might “realise” or change/felt sorry for him in a way)

In your case he may never take you to court he may just disappear when he realises he can’t get anything out of you anymore (money, house to live in, sex, power whatever). This would be the best case scenario and often does happen.

Sending loads of strength and you can do this. Just take one step at a time and don’t stick head in the sand or lie to yourself anymore xxxx

AnyFucker · 10/02/2019 12:18

Love, take a deep breath

The very first step here is to acknowledge the truth of the 3 big C's

You didn't cause this
You can't control this
You cannot cure him

Speak to someone in RL. Tell them how things really are at home. Get some support. Start talking to (legit) debt management services. Take some tiny steps. Do not give him any more money and do not procure any more on his behalf. You don't have to throw him out immediately. Thay may be unrealistic and too much of a step for you right now.

But know this: it is a matter of time before this relationship ends very badly for you and your dc. Take control now and limit the damage. You are a woman and a mother....he is just a ridiculous drug addicted bully, not some all powerful being he thinks he is. You got this.

Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 12:33

Thank you so much everyone. I really appreciate the support. I'm going to try talking to someone today.

AnyFucker I'll keep the 3 c's in mind, thank you.

beingniceiscool11 it's the situation that feels overwhelming, rather than anything you have said. I'm grateful to you for sharing your story as I need to know where this could end up. Thank you.

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Closetbeanmuncher · 10/02/2019 13:50

I can guarantee you won't get any money back from him, if you stay with him you will incur more debt on his behalf, and he will continue to use drugs for the rest of his life. The longer it goes on the harder it will be.

The police will help you but you must take heart and make the decision to start playing hardball and do what's right for you and you children.

I'm afraid beingniceiscool11 is absolutely right. You must lay the foundations now to prepare for what's ahead.

You need to make sure when the time comes the courts etc are in your corner.

Flowers
WhoKnewBeefStew · 10/02/2019 14:28

Debt can always be sorted out. You can talk to your creditors and agree a payment schedule that’s suitable for you. Even if it’s juat £1 a month. The creditors have a duty to treat you fairly and they HAVE to ensure that your primary bills such as mortgage, gas electric etc have been paid before they take any money off you. Sit and explain the situation to them and it will be fine.

I’d also call the police, tell them what’s been happening and that you need them there when you tell him to leave

Bluntness100 · 10/02/2019 14:40

When I first read this, my first thought was the shame of it, the poor daughter having to deal with the pair of you scrounging money from her.

But with all the other info, you have children to support and have got yourself into significant debt, putting them at risk, even had a baby with this drug using abuser and are now reduced to begging money off his daughter who i can assume can't really afford it.

You know he is not going to pay you back. Don't use it as an excuse to keep with him. It's time to say enough is enough.

Meckity1 · 10/02/2019 14:58

It makes it harder for you to get rid of him if he won't give you the money. He probably knows this and so will stall giving money and will do all he can to get you owing more to make it harder.

Stepchange are an organisation that deal with debt counselling and are a charity so that they won't charge you fees to sort things out. Perhaps have a word with them before you make any decisions to get an idea of your options.

Corru · 10/02/2019 15:24

First of all you have to answer yourself - is this attitude acceptable to you? If not, feel free to break the relationship. If this is normal for you, then you probably should go to a psychologist, he will help you raise your self-esteem and set boundaries.

NotHeightyButMighty · 10/02/2019 15:47

Please get shot off this person from your life!

NotHeightyButMighty · 10/02/2019 15:48

Of** sorryBlush

Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 16:29

Bluntness100 I've never asked to borrow a penny from her before and I will ensure he pays her back this week as promised.

Meckity1 I will look them up, thank you

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