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Is it ok for my bf to say this....

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Pinkypie22 · 09/02/2019 18:48

'I'm a big man. No one can tell me what to do. I behave in a way that I find acceptable. I can do what I like.'

This was in response to me saying that perhaps we wouldn't argue if he behaved in an acceptable way. (He always accuses me of arguing if ever ask a question or don't follow his Instructions).

This exchange came about because this morning he asked me to call his daughter and ask to borrow some money. The money is for him, not me. I didn't want to but I can't lend it him so reluctantly agreed. I said i would message rather than call as its less pressurusing for her. He was ok with that. Until she didn't read the message straight away so he hung up on me. He came back in a strop, snapped at me when I asked if was going to the gym. Then he left without a word. He came back a couple of hours later, barely spoke to me other that to tell me he was going to his mums because I couldn't lend him my old phone as its not charging properly. Of course he was annoyed about that roo.

After he made his 'I can do what I like' speech he stormed out the house. Having told me earlier that he won't be back until tomorrow evening, missing a family party he said he would come to.

Is this just me being over sensitive and over thinking? Or am I right to be upset at how he behaved? I've lost all perspective 😞

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cestlavielife · 09/02/2019 23:10

You can save you and your child.
You cannot save him. He can if he wants to but you cannot.
Who do you choose to stand by? Your baby ?

Or an adult who is a drug using bully.
Leave for the s ake of your child

If he is so bad he is suicidal you call 999.
You cannot save him.

Focus on getting out with your b a by.
Report shoving An d abuse and drug use and suicide threats so you don't end up handing over r baby unsupervised

lovefriday · 09/02/2019 23:10

Oh my god! He sounds atrocious!

Flatbellyfella · 09/02/2019 23:15

Please don't let this situation go on any longer, listen to every poster, that's urging you to get him away from you & your child. He will never become anything other than abusive, aggressive waster. None of us want to see you posting about him in six months time....Act now !!!

Pinkypie22 · 09/02/2019 23:16

I need to do something. Just not sure where to start or how to go about it. He is sat downstairs so I could just go and tell him to leave but that makes me nervous. Not because he will hurt me but because of his temper. I don't like the screaming and shouting, especially around our baby. He will switch and turn ice cold on me and it's awful when he does that.

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HollowTalk · 09/02/2019 23:23

I don't think you should tell him when you are on your own, OP. Seriously, he is a violent man.

Is he behaving himself at the moment?

Pinkypie22 · 09/02/2019 23:25

Yes we haven't really spoken since he came back. I'm upstairs now and he is watching tv downstairs. But he is still in one of his moods because I can feel it.

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poppingoff · 09/02/2019 23:25

Not tonight, OP. Not while you're alone. Get someone over tomorrow and tell him.

Pinkypie22 · 09/02/2019 23:27

Can the court order him to repay the money he owes me? That's one of the reasons I haven't made him leave. I can't afford to loose all the money he has stolen and borrowed

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beingniceiscool11 · 09/02/2019 23:27

@pinkypie22 Him bring in a comedown is it an excuse either.
Please don’t be afraid. Report it to the police once you have already got exit plan in place or you are on your way to safe space. Or be very clever and make him think he’s won by saying “I think you’re right, I’m no good for you and we should be apart and raise our son just as friends, that will be best for everyone” and say you’ve already sorted a place you can stay and off you go. Say you’re sorry it didn’t work & sorry you caused so much trouble for him & goodbye.
Then as soon as he’s deflated and diffused from this (he won’t expect it and it will bring down his attack reflex because there’ll be nothing left to battle for...and he’ll think “oh...?” And be confused so he won’t do anything... THEN you are away and you can call police, report the assaults in past with grabbing and stuff, verbal assault - how often and what time frames, say why you left with your baby and that you we’re afraid of his reaction because he uses drugs and frightens you, calls you names, you get in trouble if you don’t follow his instructions etc. Then he will have hardly any chance of getting shared custody of your son if he tries to use your son and a custody battle as a weapon to punish you for the embarrassment that he feels and rage he feels at losing control of you and you actually leaving. If he thinks he’ll have to take drugs test and have his past delved into by police he won’t want to take you to court.
He is lacking empathy yes and possibly has a personality disorder such as narcissism .. these types of people often don’t have developed frontal lobe function meaning poor impulse control and rage and this is made worse by drugs, but even without drugs, it’s just how they are from childhood and won’t change without extensive therapy or prolonged sobriety. Even my ex he is sober now and he is the same except just a bit less volatile or extreme. He still does the mental torture and games and he still loses his temper with my daughter and is a compulsive liar and master manipulator. This is all without drugs and he apparently now meditates all the time and turns up with meditation beads around his neck. It’s all show to make himself look good to the world and to his new gf. His behaviour and attitude /bullying nature is the same. HeMs like a Ted Bundy style manipulator character who makes everything about HIM being the victim, to deflect from anyone looking st the awful things he’s done. It’s textbook.

You cannot make anyone want to get help, they say they will in order to continue controlling you & keep you where they want you. They threaten to leave but that’s another control tactic, they don’t want to leave because that would mean saying goodbye to the source of what makes them feel powerful and strong - making you weak and small. And it would threaten to expose their behaviour which they are lying to themselves about and don’t want to take responsibility for. They can turn very spiteful and vengeful if they think you’ll expose them and you are no longer under their control.
Look up narcissistic abuse and see if it sounds like how he is to you...?

The hardest thing is to admit to yourself is that it’s not drugs, not personality disorder, not undiagnosed this or that, none of those things ever makes someone systematically abusive for that reason alone - it’s a rational choice.

If he was mentally ill or in a drug fuelled frenzy he would not have been able to control himself at all/ he wouldn’t be able to confine it to the house/ just to you .. he’d be out there on the streets not caring what anyone thought of him, just acting out, screaming at you in public, dragging you along, yodelling, beating his chest, punching a car parking attendant, Smashing someone’s wing mirror off....
He can control it and he can choose when and how to do it. Behind closed doors, subtly at first, designed to control you and frighten you into doing what he wants. It’s calculated & deliberate. Everything else is at fault but him.

Don’t let him scare you into inaction by him saying - LYING - that “you’re crazy, the baby should live with me” etc... It’s all a scare tactic to make you scared of “what he will do, if I tell someone”.

He’s probably got a record .. maybe he’s done stuff like this before to other women.. or his daughter. But he’s set up an environment in your home/relationship where you’re afraid to even check any of these things & you’re too confused and caught up in his world and his excuses for his behaviour and him blaming it on you that you can’t think straight.
So he protects himself by making you so confused and tired and stressed that you can’t think straight to see him clearly and do what any “normal” person would do (and by that I mean someone who’s not been slowly conditioned by him) and - RUN / report him.

If a random man came in off the street into your house and treated you like this, would you call the police ?
He knows he’s doing bad things to you & treating you like a disobedient dog. He knows this is not how you treat your gf or mother of your child. And he also knows some pretty powerful ways to avoid getting found out. By brainwashing and scaring you at your weakest and most vulnerable moment - as a new mother. The sort of person who will do this, is not someone who needs help and understanding, not st this moment in time. Maybe way way down the line once you’re away and un-brainwashed and you want to create an amicable co-parenting relationship for your son. But with this kind of person it’s often not possible and it’s more damaging to your mental health and to your son to try.

If you could come out of the fog and see it for what it is and snap out of his spell - you would be able to think clearly and do the sensible / safe thing which is to enlist help of police to get far away and protected from this man. Don’t lose years of your life and your sons life hoping he’ll change. And seriously damage your own mental health in the process. The biggest mistake I made (one of them! Sad was being SO wrapped up in what HE was doing .. that I was not present for my baby daughter. I was not. I was obsessed and on edge about HIM. I will never get those newborn times : that first year back. She got a preoccupied, traumatised, emotionally unavailable Mum for her early life and she was traumatised from this, I know it. I found it hard to bond with her and develop proper mother’s instincts to protect her because I was more brainwashed to be pre-occupied with him and trying to keep him sweet or trying to fix him. Even when he used to drop her in my lap when he was too impatient for me to get my boob out to breastfeed her or he would grab her roughly because he was annoyed with me... I still kept telling myself “he just needs help, if only this or that.. he’s just scared of being a Dad or tired.. or if only I could get him to stop taking drugs...” I was brain washed ! Desensitised to this abnormal and abusive person. Thinking I could fix him or help him. Using all my energy on that. So I became his enabler. To stay the same, as he knew I’d always make an excuse for him. And he knew I wouldn’t tell anyone. So it gradually got worse. Until he threw me across the room & hit our daughter. She still is massively startled at loud noises & has night terrors because of all the shouting and crying she constantly heard since she was in my belly. It messes them up, don’t think because he’s a baby that he won’t get effects from this.

If this man is going to change it’ll be when he’s lost everything and been sober a LONG time not 3 weeks. He’s confident you won’t leave and he’s confident you’ll keep taking this treatment and putting up with excuses so he’s also happy to lie and tell you what you want to hear in order for you to keep doing what he wants and keep you where he wants you and where he can influence you.

Steps to heal:

Women’s Aid - Freedom Programme
Read : Codependent No More
& Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft
Go No Contact with him or as minimal contact as possible.
Run far away & get many professional people in between him and you so that he cannot suck you back in by feeling sorry for him, feeling guilty that you’re “splitting the family up “ — you will have all these feelings and they’re normal but they are not real.

The only reality here is that he is abusive and this relationship and being around him is damaging you and your son right now possibly long term.

Maybe in future he will get a bit better or make some life changes for your son, but st 40 it is doubtful. And it is not your job to fix him or make him see. The more you try, the less he will.
Also take responsibility for making this choice to be with this person and stay with him, and forgive yourself for it. But don’t keep making the same mistake. Xxxxxx

poppingoff · 09/02/2019 23:30

And do you think you'll get it back just because he's living there? Get him out, and get your claim in for whatever benefits you may be entitled to, plus child maintenance from him.

If he dropped tomorrow, you wouldn't be getting anything back from him. Look at it that way.

beingniceiscool11 · 09/02/2019 23:34

Yes listen to lifeisnotsimple - Money is not important. He’s it going to pay you back - he’s just been borrowing money from his daughter. Do you think if you just ask nicely or ask him enough times he will just give it back to you? He won’t.
The court can order he pays you child maintenance weekly and the CMS can collect the money for you if he won’t give it willingly.

Your son & your well-being arethe only important things. You can always get more money. You can be happy living in one room for a while. All that matters is getting out of this situation.
You will get benefits and help when you leave — mostly likely you’ll be better off financially.

Will you be worrying about the money he owes you when he’s got his hands around your throat or raises his hand to your son in 6 months time when your son starts having tantrums or won’t stop crying one night?

I know it sounds dramatic but it is not far from what happens to women in your situation every day. And what happens to me. If you saw my ex you’d never think he would . But it always escalates. Especially when he feels he’s losing control of you.

Solstice888 · 09/02/2019 23:36

Just what I would do but its up to you...

Wait until he is gone and going to be gone for a few hours. Then pack up and leave. Saying that you are leaving wont do you any good. You don't owe him any explanation and he will only try to convince you to stay. I suggest you speak with womens aid (call the helpline when you are sure you wont be overheard) for advice on what to do next in terms of should you speak with the police or social services or a lawyer with regards to child support ect… but first off, concentrate on getting you and your kid out of there.

I advise that if you have a safe place to go that YOU leave (unless you OWN the property) as it will just be less hastle as he wont be constantly pestering you for his stuff.

Further suggestions: block him on social media, drop any mututal friends and change any online passwords. Oh and of course, make sure you don't share a bank account anymore if you do (move your money somewhere safe).

Solstice888 · 09/02/2019 23:39

Also, you are never getting any 'borrowed' or 'lent' money back. Give it up. Let it go. It isn't going to happen. But freedom from tyranny and cruelty for you and your children is priceless.

AnyFucker · 09/02/2019 23:40

Write the money off. Save yourself and your child.

Solstice888 · 09/02/2019 23:43

That being said (about u being the one to leave) bare in mind that if you leave he could still use stuff like household bills and leases ect against you. But you should be able to take your names off most of the bills ect before you leave. Might be a wise move.

OlennasWimple · 09/02/2019 23:49

OP - what real life support do you have?

macblank · 09/02/2019 23:49

As a full grown man, I can tell you with full authority....

He is a prick.

Do not accept that behaviour a si for second longer, and do not let him guilt you in to keeping him... He is not a keeper.

He is an example to all women as to what a male prick looks like and behaves like.

Pack his bags, take back your keys, and toss him back to his mother. Where it seems, she encourages that behaviour and finds it acceptable. My little 20 stone arrogant wanker if a son can do no wrong! lol

I may well have mental health issues, including an anti-social PD. I would never dream of talking to my fiancée like that.

We don't have a lot between us financially, but what we have, we share. If one hasn't enough to give to the other for whatever reason, well that's ok. I would never in a million years dream of behaving like that, it speaking to the woman I love n respect, in such a manner either.

IncrediblySadToo · 10/02/2019 00:03

Nothing to add really...just another voice saying get out, but SAFELY.

THE MONEY ISN’T IMPORTANT. Certainly not compared to your & DS’s lives. He could easily have killed you & DS by now if you’d landed differently when he pushed/pulled you.

Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 00:06

It's my house, so he needs to do the leaving. The financial situation is very complicated as he has got me into a lot of debt. And the money he owes me personally I can't afford to not get back, I will loose my car if he doesn't repay me

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Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 00:07

Obviously the money is not important compared to safety. I just need to be able to live. I have older children to provide for too

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2019 00:19

He will never repay you...even if you stay with him.

This is how he has you hooked.You will hang on for the promise of it just a few more days, weeks, months, forever and it will not materialise. I presume he has snorted most of your money up his nose ? Money meant for you and your kids. Jesus.

pissedonatrain · 10/02/2019 00:19

Get rid as you and your DC are in danger.

Get a quiet female student in as a lodger if you need extra money. Be a hell of a lot safer than have this violent nutjob terrorising you and your children.

GemmeFatale · 10/02/2019 00:21

Get him out first.

Get your child maintenance claim in.

He’s never planning to repay his debt to you, he will just push you deeper and deeper down. Stay and you’ll owe three times the amount next year. In ten you’ll be bankrupt and he’ll be using his daughter’s credit. In twenty he’ll have your child going into debt for him.

Sunk cost fallacy. That money is gone. You can’t get it back by staying.

Caucho · 10/02/2019 00:23

Doesn’t sound much of a big man if he has to sponge off his kids. Doesn’t even have the balls do it himself

Pinkypie22 · 10/02/2019 00:26

I'm in so much debt that I can't afford to buy food for the rest of the month. I'm going to a food bank Monday. And I've had to borrow money from someone to cover the rest of this months bills. Without money from him i can't get out of this situation.

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