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Husband is low-level subtly abusive, but also really lovely

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TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 14:21

I just don't know what to do. I'm tired and confused and my health is suffering.

My husband is so lovely a lot of the time. He is massively supportive of anything I want to do: encourages me to pursue hobbies, meet friends, study, etc. When I was having a hard time at work, he was happy for me to leave to set up my own business, even though it meant we suffered financially and both had to really tighten our belts - he didn't complain once and just kept encouraging me and championing me on. He listens when I'm upset and offers advice. He's always on my side. When I had surgery, he looked after me, did all the cooking, housework, changing my dressings, washed my hair, etc., hugged me when I cried.

We get on really well: we're like the best of friends. We enjoy holidays together, days out, love our pets. We laugh at the same jokes, make each other laugh. He's funny and he's generous. He likes my family and they like him.

But also, there's this:

He very subtly gaslights me. He (not so subtly) stonewalls me. He's dishonest. There's no intimacy anymore.

I've read this forum on and off for a few years, and I've posted several times under various user names. I've read the Lundy Bancroft book, so I recognise the above behaviours.

If I want to discuss an issue in our relationship or anything slightly uncomfortable, he gets irritable or refuses to listen or changes the subject or answers my question with an unrelated question if I bring something up he doesn't want to discuss. He walks out the room or waits for me to shut up in silence if I say something he doesn't want to talk about.

He likes to do things that he knows irritate me, then if I ask him not to do it, he'll trivialise it or say I've never mentioned it before, even if it's something I've brought up many times. He messes with my things when I'm not around: moves them, knocks them over, etc. Then when I ask him about it, he denies he's touched them. He questions my interpretation of events and tells me I've got things wrong or misunderstood, or I'm imagining things, and looks at me like I'm crazy. He makes out things I bring up are irrelevant or trivial, or he'll deny what I'm saying. His actions or his facial expressions always tell me a completely different story to what comes out of his mouth, e.g. I can see irritation flit across his face when I step out of my 'place' or call him out on his behaviour, before he straightens his face and tells me I'm wrong.

He lies about small things. Never big lies; just really weird small things, to the point where I don't really trust anything he says. E.g. stupid things like he'll say he has two baths a day where I know he has one bath a day. Or he'll say he never eats chocolate when I've seen him eating chocolate just the day before. Or he'll tell me that he's done x task round the house when he hasn't. He always likes to paint himself as this great guy, so he just fibs to make sure he fits that narrative.

I very much get the impression he considers himself to be more important than me and that his time is more important than mine. I honestly have hundreds of examples of his lies, gaslighting, stonewalling behaviour, but I'm conscious of how long this post is already.

This is all at the same time as him being lovely. So it's not like he's horrible for a few days and then lovely for a bit. He can gaslight or stonewall me one minute and be really nice the next minute, so I'm constantly wrong footed.

There's nothing to stop me leaving; I'm not stuck. We never had children, I've always worked, I've got my own pension, we've got savings and there's equity in the house. I could leave tomorrow and be a bit skint but ok. He's not financially abusive or anything (I look after all our money). But it's the lovely side of him that I can't get my head around. It's hard to leave that person. And also, because he denies everything, I'm always doubting myself and feeling like I'm crazy or too sensitive. It would almost be easier if he was out-and-out abusive and not so subtle about it. Then I'd have a definite reason to go. But the lovely side of him keeps stopping me. Also, I don't have many friends, my family aren't close, and I don't have children. I'd be alone.

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Katgurl · 14/01/2019 14:37

I had a relationship like this. Reading your post made me feel quite upset. He is not lovely. It is all an act. I'm sorry to say but I think you would be happier if you left him.

TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 14:56

He is not lovely. It is all an act.

It's really funny you should say that. Lately I've been wondering if he acts out the person he feels he ought to be. He often takes things I've said/my opinions and then says them himself/ says them as if they're his opinions to other people. Presumably because they sound good.

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ForaSheepAsALamb · 14/01/2019 15:06

He always does what he wants to.

Does that resonate?

Leedsgirlfriend · 14/01/2019 15:15

The basic question is are you happy being in this relationship or would you prefer to find someone else? If the latter is true, leave him.

Brakebackcyclebot · 14/01/2019 15:17

Have you heard the analogy comparing the cycle of abuse to a slot machine? A relationship with an abuser is like one with a slot machine - you put coins in and occasionally you get a pay out. The pay out is enough to keep you putting in the coins, in hope of another payout. Part of the abuse is to keep you on your toes, so you never know when the pay out is coming.

Do you feel you are walking on eggshells, not sure what he's going to be like?

I saw you've read Lundy Bancroft - brilliant book. Also google the abuse cycle, it may resonate.

Stonewalling and gaslighting are killers in a relationship.

Lottapianos · 14/01/2019 15:21

He sounds extremely strange OP, and yes, some of his behaviour is abusive. You say he can be 'lovely ', but part of being lovely is not scaring your partner or manipulating them, or gaslighting them or treating them like a plaything. You say you would be alone if you left him, but I imagine you already feel incredibly alone in this relationship. You can't trust him, he's unpredictable, you know he's playing games and you say there's no intimacy. That sounds like a very sad and lonely way for you to live

vampirethriller · 14/01/2019 15:24

The lovely bit is an act to keep you there. The unpleasant part is what he's really like.

baddayattheoffice · 14/01/2019 15:25

So many things in your post resonate with me, the title is how I would describe my relationship with my DH to a T. Sorry that I can't give you any advice, just wanted to let you know that I totally understand your confusion and inability to make the break. But, like I've read on here many times, before the truth is that life is too short to spend it feeling unhappy.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/01/2019 15:26

Abusive people are not nasty all the time as you are seeing but their nice/nasty cycle is a continuous one. His loveliness towards you was and remains an act designed to draw you in.

Better to be on your own than to be as lonely and being abused as you are now within this relationship.

TheProvincialLady · 14/01/2019 15:26

The ‘lovely’ things you describe are just oat of a normal loving relationship. You should expect those things in a relationship.

The ‘not lovely’ things are abusive and some of them suggest that he is unhinged. He hates you, I’m afraid.

The only acceptable amount of abuse in a relationship is none. Leave him - you will thrive.

Dirtybadger · 14/01/2019 15:30

It would be easier to leave if he was out and out abusive.

Yep, and I would be very surprised if he didn't realise this

We can't know other people's intentions but his loveliness appears to serve a purpose. Whether he means for it to or not.

katekat383 · 14/01/2019 15:30

Abusive and lovely is an oxymoron. Sorry...

TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 15:48

He always does what he wants to. Does that resonate?

Yes definitely. Always.

Do you feel you are walking on eggshells, not sure what he's going to be like?

Yes sometimes. I used to feel quite nervous predicting his reaction to things and I'd moderate my behaviour or stop myself saying things if I knew it was the wrong time and likely to annoy him. Not so much now though. Now I just think 'fuck you' and I say what I want when I want, and I also make a point of calling out his behaviour (which he denies, obviously).

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user1479305498 · 14/01/2019 15:48

Totally get you OP, hence my thread today in ‘define abusive’ . I too have the really lovely/plain weird kind of cycle and it’s been like this for years. My DH clearly has some anger management issues, has a lot of work stress that gets on top of him and I also have the bizzare combination of a ‘new man/feminist’ who likes to watch lesbian porn 4 or5 times a week the minute I am out the door (doesn’t know yet that I know) . It’s not quite what I signed up for and pees me off, for me it’s a total turn off (and he knows how I feel about it too) but have to be honest, absolutely no red flags for many years apart from a bit of anger management . I would keep a diary for 6 months and note how much of it happens, it’s easy to forget when it’s back to being lovely Partner again . I am still very unsure to be honest, not sure if I want to end up with a grumpy unhappy older guy.

TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 15:51

It's interesting that a lot of you are saying that him being lovely is an act. I can see that certain aspects of his character are an act, but he surely can't be all bad; he must have some natural good traits along with the bad?

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TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 15:53

not sure if I want to end up with a grumpy unhappy older guy.

No me neither. Sorry you're in a similar boat Sad

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TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 15:54

baddayattheoffice Flowers sorry to hear of your situation

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7yo7yo · 14/01/2019 15:55

Gives me goose bumps.
He’s actually a really nasty man.

Lottapianos · 14/01/2019 15:58

'and I also make a point of calling out his behaviour (which he denies, obviously).'

I'm not sure there is anything more exhausting than having to constantly point out reality to someone, and have them repeatedly deny it. It is SUCH a waste of physical and emotional energy . I have a few people like this in my life (not DP) and talking to them make me tired right down to my bone marrow

Dhalandchips · 14/01/2019 16:03

You have described my stbxh to a tee. I could have written your post!! Supportive, caring, etc etc but over 12 years I became a shadow of myself. After heavy duty counselling, I'm back to how I was before I met him. Good luck OP whatever you decide to do but I'm in the LTB camp x

chaosisaladder · 14/01/2019 16:06

I work in mental health and I've met a few people like this.

Sociopaths.

I would leave, OP.

TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 16:06

Lottapianos that's partly why I posted this today. I'm just so tired and bored of the whole game. I thought to myself this morning that he's a grown middle aged man and it shouldn't take me constantly pointing out when his behaviour is poor - only for him to deny it anyway. It is exhausting, you're right.

And also, I'm bored of being his rubbish bin for all his life's wrongs. He's going to end up a grumpy negative miserable old man, and another worry I have is spending retirement with him.

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purpleelk · 14/01/2019 16:09

He can’t be lovely if he’s doing those things. That’s just not what “being lovely” means. If you’re lovely when you’re getting your own way, that’s just being happy because you’re doing what you want. The moment you disagree with him, he’s an asshole. A lovely person stays lovely even when you disagree.

TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 16:12

After heavy duty counselling, I'm back to how I was before I met him.

I'm glad you've had a positive ending Smile But I'm sorry you went through it in the first place. I do wonder who I am sometimes, because he makes me so caught up in him.

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TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 16:14

If you’re lovely when you’re getting your own way, that’s just being happy because you’re doing what you want. The moment you disagree with him, he’s an asshole. A lovely person stays lovely even when you disagree.

Ok that makes sense I suppose. I never thought about it that way.

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