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Husband is low-level subtly abusive, but also really lovely

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TeamRafael · 14/01/2019 14:21

I just don't know what to do. I'm tired and confused and my health is suffering.

My husband is so lovely a lot of the time. He is massively supportive of anything I want to do: encourages me to pursue hobbies, meet friends, study, etc. When I was having a hard time at work, he was happy for me to leave to set up my own business, even though it meant we suffered financially and both had to really tighten our belts - he didn't complain once and just kept encouraging me and championing me on. He listens when I'm upset and offers advice. He's always on my side. When I had surgery, he looked after me, did all the cooking, housework, changing my dressings, washed my hair, etc., hugged me when I cried.

We get on really well: we're like the best of friends. We enjoy holidays together, days out, love our pets. We laugh at the same jokes, make each other laugh. He's funny and he's generous. He likes my family and they like him.

But also, there's this:

He very subtly gaslights me. He (not so subtly) stonewalls me. He's dishonest. There's no intimacy anymore.

I've read this forum on and off for a few years, and I've posted several times under various user names. I've read the Lundy Bancroft book, so I recognise the above behaviours.

If I want to discuss an issue in our relationship or anything slightly uncomfortable, he gets irritable or refuses to listen or changes the subject or answers my question with an unrelated question if I bring something up he doesn't want to discuss. He walks out the room or waits for me to shut up in silence if I say something he doesn't want to talk about.

He likes to do things that he knows irritate me, then if I ask him not to do it, he'll trivialise it or say I've never mentioned it before, even if it's something I've brought up many times. He messes with my things when I'm not around: moves them, knocks them over, etc. Then when I ask him about it, he denies he's touched them. He questions my interpretation of events and tells me I've got things wrong or misunderstood, or I'm imagining things, and looks at me like I'm crazy. He makes out things I bring up are irrelevant or trivial, or he'll deny what I'm saying. His actions or his facial expressions always tell me a completely different story to what comes out of his mouth, e.g. I can see irritation flit across his face when I step out of my 'place' or call him out on his behaviour, before he straightens his face and tells me I'm wrong.

He lies about small things. Never big lies; just really weird small things, to the point where I don't really trust anything he says. E.g. stupid things like he'll say he has two baths a day where I know he has one bath a day. Or he'll say he never eats chocolate when I've seen him eating chocolate just the day before. Or he'll tell me that he's done x task round the house when he hasn't. He always likes to paint himself as this great guy, so he just fibs to make sure he fits that narrative.

I very much get the impression he considers himself to be more important than me and that his time is more important than mine. I honestly have hundreds of examples of his lies, gaslighting, stonewalling behaviour, but I'm conscious of how long this post is already.

This is all at the same time as him being lovely. So it's not like he's horrible for a few days and then lovely for a bit. He can gaslight or stonewall me one minute and be really nice the next minute, so I'm constantly wrong footed.

There's nothing to stop me leaving; I'm not stuck. We never had children, I've always worked, I've got my own pension, we've got savings and there's equity in the house. I could leave tomorrow and be a bit skint but ok. He's not financially abusive or anything (I look after all our money). But it's the lovely side of him that I can't get my head around. It's hard to leave that person. And also, because he denies everything, I'm always doubting myself and feeling like I'm crazy or too sensitive. It would almost be easier if he was out-and-out abusive and not so subtle about it. Then I'd have a definite reason to go. But the lovely side of him keeps stopping me. Also, I don't have many friends, my family aren't close, and I don't have children. I'd be alone.

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TeamRafael · 25/03/2019 15:07

Sorry, I pressed Post prematurely.

I am not happy in this relationship any more. It is over.

I don't think I can use this with him because he will use it as ammunition that he's been wronged. He loves being wronged and being a victim - the one advantage I've got is that i know him better than he knows himself. I know that if I kept repeating the above to him that it would utterly infuriate him and he would want to destroy me. He would block me every step of the way and tie us up in so many legal wranglings that we'd spend a fortune in divorce proceedings. I know that he would rather we both ended up with nothing than we both end up with 50% each - them I'd have "won" and he won't be able to stand that. He'll NEED to win, he'll need to beat me.

So the only option I can see is playing it really nicely: It's not his fault, it's not my fault - these things happen, somewhere along the line we've turned into friends, etc.

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TeamRafael · 25/03/2019 15:21

CassettesAreCool that's a good idea, thanks. Yes, that's the sort of thing I mean - he needs to be flattered!

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TeamRafael · 25/03/2019 15:25

And thanks also for all the tips on covering my tracks and so on. I hate being this sly and duplicitous - it makes me feel like a liar when I've always valued honesty so much Sad

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TeamRafael · 25/03/2019 19:44

@sadandlost2019 Flowers I'm sorry your husband is like mine. I hope you're ok. Are you planning on leaving?

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WineIsPaleo · 25/03/2019 22:06

OMG this is my ExH. The lies. The passive aggressiveness, subtly obstructive while pretending to be supportive. No intimacy. I could go on.

I left him and he showed his true colours. I have been suffering from his narc rage for four years. Now he is using our children as a tool to abuse me. These men are the worst type of abusive sociopaths, get out before you waste your life wondering if you are crazy.

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