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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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AhhhHereItGoes · 06/01/2019 16:14

OP I think he's in love with the person/relationship they used to have but without realising that never could be the same. Time changes things, it always will.

In his mind the relationship they had was in stasis but really, it faded. The feelings didn't, because he chose not to shut that chapter in his life.

I could speculate whether I think he would run off with her or what not but that's not helpful nor really the issue. If he's hurting you and isn't willing to change the hurtful behaviour, then you have a right to take action and feel hurt.

I'd also like to point out his comment was disrespectful to his ex. I have got back in touch with someone after about 5 years and he commented 'as sexy as ever' or something like that on my Facebook. I was in a relationship and had a young baby - I just think it's incredibly crass and immature.

I hope he starts to realise that he should think more like Pumbaa and put his behind in the past. Because it's not healthy for him, her or you.

XiCi · 06/01/2019 16:32

Of course he gets it OP. He's just hoping to gloss over it to shut you up. Ask him how he would feel if you posted publicly 'Best Oral Sex Ever' to an ex boyfriend for all and sundry to see.

MsDogLady · 06/01/2019 17:15

WAVC, I hope that you are feeling better. You spoke your mind to your husband, but it sounds like his half-hearted response left you feeling even more unsettled. His attitude smacked of hedging, and lacked the standard of care, respect and loyalty that I’m sure you have always given to him unconditionally.

Your feelings of mistrust about the talk could be connected to other occasions when he blocked or deflected your inquiries. When you asked about BBJE, he used irritability to make you back off, and when you discovered the many messages, he shifted blame to your jealousy and snooping. You’ve been uneasy for a year while he has been pursuing his utterly selfish agenda with his ex. He’s been keeping you out while being her rock. Is he still?

When you married, you both pledged fidelity to one another, which included an expectation of exclusivity. He has breached his fidelity, allowed his boundaries to weaken, and damaged his marriage. If he won’t wall-off his ex with NC and give you total transparency, then your marriage will always be compromised.

I think that individual counseling would help you to gain clarity about yourself and your life. In your OP you wondered if his behavior was normal and if your uneasiness was due to jealousy. Why had you not allowed yourself to put the puzzle pieces together? Why have you been settling for so little?

Firstimemama · 06/01/2019 18:56

That's cheating I would kick him out

Robin2323 · 07/01/2019 06:23

I hope you're ok op.
It's so easy to cross the line with social media these days.
But you must stand up for yourself.
Maybe have a quite word with ow and politely ask her to back off.
Calling him her rock is very inappropriate.
If she's a decent woman she will back off.
If she's not you have a problem and your dh will figure this out sooner rather than later.

Few years a go 'the one that got away' contacted my dh.
He told me.
I said to tell her to back or I would #%^* .
But we had already put her ghost to rest years before but even my dh said she was making overtures in the message. She backed off.

My 'one that got away' never stayed away lol
But after meeting dh I stopped responding.
However I have had some 'suggestive ' messages over the years from him.

Both been off fb for years now.
Who needs the hassle?

Worriedandveryconfused · 07/01/2019 13:58

He apologised for the BBJE thing, said he'd been thoughtless, told me some background to it that I think he thought would help but I'm not sure it does, and tried to reassure me that hardly any of her FB friends or other people who might have seen it know who I am.

He agreed to stop the messages and any idea of meeting up, but asked if he could send her one final message to tell her rather than just ghosting her. I agreed on condition I could see it beforehand, which I did. He won't give me the passcode to his iPad or phone, but he did say that he'd changed it because it had reminded him that since they;re supplied through work and there are confidential emails and attachments etc on there, no one else is supposed to have access anyway, which is actually true. But it's also a convenient excuse Sad. He has deleted both Messenger and Whatsapp from them though and promised not to reinstall them.

He's said some of the right things but I don't know how much is because he really understands he's in the wrong and is genuinely keen to make amneds, versus how much is going along with what I'm asking for to shut me up. I can hardly think about anything else and I'm just so tired of it all being in my head. I almost wish I'd never seen the messages and just left him to get on with it.

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Gina2012 · 07/01/2019 14:08

I suppose you either have to trust him or do some more digging and find out if he's lying.

Complete transparency hasn't happened which could be because of the reasons he's given or could be because he's continuing to lie and chat to OW.

If it were me, I'd have to know one way or another.

I do feel for you @Worriedandveryconfused

It's a horrible situation to be in

Would you go to Relate in your own? To talk it all through?

Coolhwip · 07/01/2019 14:11

Sorry to be the voice of doom and gloom but I don't think he has intention of deleting her Sad

My husband was sending Whatsapp messages to an ex, he said he would stop but didn't. He doesn't have a PIN on his devices and I have total access, but I know that if he wants to send messages, he will find a way.

The confidentiality excuse is just that, an excuse.

Does he have his own phone and tablet? Why is he using his work ones?

Worriedandveryconfused · 07/01/2019 14:20

He's allowed 'reasonable personal use' on his work gadgets so he rarely uses his own phone these days.

I meant to say in my last post, I did suggest counselling and he said he'd come with me if I think it will help, but he insists he hasn't lied to me about anything so if he says he'll do X, he'll do X. Well no, technically he hasn't told me any outright lies but he has omitted to tell me something that seems to have been a big part of his life recently!

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2019Newname · 07/01/2019 14:22

I would go ahead with the counselling if he is on board as it may explain to him how you feel so that he actually understands it.

I would also suggest that as you are concerned he lets you have the PIN for his devices. That you won’t check regularly but would feel comforted by not being locked out.

Thinking of you.

mogratpineapple · 07/01/2019 14:26

Perhaps he thinks you won't do anything, it's all bluster and will pass. The Lie of Omission - not telling you things - is dishonest and the same as lying.

Good luck xx

misskiki69 · 07/01/2019 14:34

Deleting WhatsApp and messenger seems a tad extreme, after all, if he really wanted to, he could find other ways and means of contacting her.

Also, I don't know how I'd feel about him refusing to give you his password for his phone. What's he got to hide? Surely he realises how suspicious and vulnerable you feel at the minute (rightly so), therefore he should be doing everything in his power to show you he's trustworthy.

OoohAyyye · 07/01/2019 14:36

Gosh OP I'm not sure I could move past this but I admittedly am quite paranoid. I would hate the thought that he's clearly been lusting over an ex and although we're all allowed to find others attractive etc. this is more than that because they've got history. As it's got to the point where you are comparing yourself to her I just feel in your position I wouldn't want to feel like that. It's damaging to your self esteem and this is likely to be something that even though he might never speak to her again it will come back to haunt you every once in a while.

I also find the comment about him remembering "that night ;)" completely disgusting and disrespectful and that alone I would struggle to move past, nevermind the obsessive searching through her pictures. Just no.

If you can seriously move past this then great and perhaps counselling will help but you need to really consider if you can let this go. Flowers

SuperSuperSuper · 07/01/2019 14:39

I'm completely on your side OP but the phone access thing is perhaps not an excuse. I work with very confidential data and it's rammed into us that spouses/kids etc are absolutely not allowed access to our surfacepros and that we mustn't share passwords. GDPR has made everyone a bit edgy!

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 07/01/2019 14:44

Talk is cheap. Lip service, sorry.

You may swerve around this one, but don’t forget it.

The reasonable “personal use” of work devices probably doesn’t include the category of hooking up with old flames. He is being quite stupid there. There is undoubtedly someone at work monitoring the devices...those are not private messages. Stupid. Definitely in the department of unforeseen consequences.

So, not because of the One Who Got Away, but because your dh is a careless stupid bloke, imho, you still need to get yourself back into the workforce/retrain/school and plan for your future with much much much less dependence on him.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 07/01/2019 14:45

I did suggest counselling and he said he'd come with me if I think it will help

Ah, that’s really big of him.

And kind if tells you all you need to know.

Good luck x

Lizzie48 · 07/01/2019 15:33

So, not because of the One Who Got Away, but because your dh is a careless stupid bloke, imho, you still need to get yourself back into the workforce/retrain/school and plan for your future with much much much less dependence on him

This, I definitely agree. This whole thing would have been so much less scary if you weren't so dependent on him. Because I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him basically.

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 07/01/2019 15:36

Has he deleted the BBJE comment?

BrieAndOatcakes · 07/01/2019 15:40

Confused this is a tricky one. If he has cut contact (have you seen a message to her saying so?) & agrees to counselling them hopefully you can get past this. But it's hard to be 100% when he's bring so protective over his devices. Watch him carefully to work out the pin codes? Guess some possible codes? Hope to see some more messages (or rather, hope not to!) on the lock screen...

Omzlas · 07/01/2019 16:17

I'm new to the thread OP and have no constructive advice, I just wanted to leave these Flowers

Gina2012 · 07/01/2019 17:04

Well no, technically he hasn't told me any outright lies but he has omitted to tell me something that seems to have been a big part of his life recently!

It's so difficult isn't it? You desperately want to believe him. I can feel your pain and need for this to all go away, through the ether.

My best guess is that he hasn't done anything IRL yet.

So from his perspective it's easy to say 'nothing is happening ' and believe it

Also (some) men are good at compartmentalising and not looking at what's inside the box

I also think he's gaslighting you a bit. Brushing off what you feel/need. That's because he is not wanting to look in the box (see above)

I know I keep banging on about this, but I really think you need to see a Counsellor. If I'm honest I (now) don't see much point in him going along too. At least not initially.

Sending you more love 💕

3luckystars · 07/01/2019 17:19

If something doesn't feel right, then its not right.

Its perflectly ok to ask him to give you time to process this. What he is doing is very hurtful to you. If it was me, I would cut him loose because that is only a half life and you are worth so much more than that.

I am so sorry. Take your time, dont be placated, fobbed off or trampled on. None of this is fair on you. Get some support. Best wishes to to you x

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 07/01/2019 17:22

What did his message to her say? You don't need to say here, but I suspect it might help.

Was it in the, "My wife has found out and so we need to stop talking" camp, or the "This is inappropriate and we need to stop so I'm deleting you" camp?

That's somewhat less useful if he knew you'd see it before he wrote it; but you could still think about it.

Is she gone from Facebook too, and has he deleted that atrocious comment?

If he's not just paying you lip service, and you really want to stay, I think there's a chance this could work out. He owes you a lot and I'd have my guard up for a while yet, especially given the newfound respect for IT rules at work, but I don't think it's a no-hoper if you want to try.

Katgurl · 07/01/2019 17:39

Op I think this is a good start. I would not be calling time on your marriage yet. You are justifyiably very hurt. Go to counselling with your husband and work through it. Lets be honest - you have always felt like his second choice. Maybe that's all in your head? Or maybe not.

But if you and your husband do the work now you could come back much stronger.

I also hope he has deleted the bbje comment.

Newyearnewme2019 · 07/01/2019 17:42

Are you still friends on FB with her? If so, keep any eye on the accounts and see if he carries in liking /commenting and see if she like any of his posts