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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

OP posts:
Doyouavocado · 04/01/2019 18:04

This is something I could never get over. Even if we got past it at first, I would be a psycho and nervous wreck forever and I wouldn’t want to live my life like that

PunishmentSnart · 04/01/2019 21:35

I agree with Butterfly- if your child told you their partner had been so utterly disrespectful, would you tell them they’re worth more or say stay unhappy.

Your “D” H sounds like a dickhead chasing a teenage fantasy and you seem super lovely. Hate to say this but Id love you to kick him out & make him see what his actions have done. Make yoursef ‘the one that got away’.

Only you can decide on your relationship but he most definitely needs to start showing you some respect & back away from ex & you need to tell him how much its upsetting you.

JackInTheBox271 · 04/01/2019 21:53

I'm so sorry to hear that OP, your DH sounds awful. IMO it doesn't matter if he's planning to/already having an affair, this behaviour alone is just not acceptable. Does he not realise how disrespectful it is posting those sort of comments on Facebook? Does he not understand how this sort of stuff can affect you?

You deserve someone so much better.

MissLanesAmericanCousin · 04/01/2019 22:54

I just wanted to let you know that you're in my thoughts today, and to give you some Flowers.
I read your thread earlier and posted my thoughts. I hope today is a better day for you, and I wish you all the strength in the world.

Worriedandveryconfused · 05/01/2019 00:34

I can’t sleep tonight. I talked to DH earlier after DD went to a sleepover and I’m not sure he entirely gets it. He “sort of” agreed to what I asked from him and “sort of” apologised for his behaviour but I can’t put my finger on why I’m not convinced he means it. I don’t even know if I really don’t believe his commitment to what he said would change or if I just expect it to go wrong for no logical reason just because of how I’ve felt for the last few weeks. I’m not making much sense, I know.

To those asking - it didn’t occur to me to google BBJE. I didn’t think it would be an actual thing that other people use, I assumed it was just some private made up code between the two of them.

OP posts:
Villagelifer · 05/01/2019 01:06

@worried, you must feel very bruised by all this, it's a horrible situation and he's really lucky that you are giving him a chance.
You are nicer than he deserves.
I have always told my DCs you teach people how they can treat you. He'd better do as you asked and not just "sort of".
Be nice to yourself.

timeisnotaline · 05/01/2019 03:17

I think he is aware how inappropriate it all is and that you know this too so knows he can’t say it’s all not a problem so has managed to force out something like he sort of gets it to say the accepted thing. He thinks it was fine. He thinks it is fine, because it suits him. He is just trying to make you shut up and go away.

MsDogLady · 05/01/2019 05:23

Worried, I too have been thinking of you today. I just read your update and feel your frustration. So he was playing vague ‘Mr. Sort Of’ then?

Nodded and agreed to just enough to get you to shut up. No clear and heart-felt acknowledgement, remorse and commitment to doing whatever he can to restore trust. Just ‘sort of’ is unacceptable.

He DOES get it. He knows exactly what he’s been doing. It sounds like tonight he was manipulating you with evasion tactics so that he can carry on. Did you feel like you were trying to grab hold of water?

Worried, this man would go berserk if YOU openly grieved an ex’s marriage, sent Facebook hearts, complimented sex acts and his body, exchanged a multitude of messages, encouraged his emotional reliance on you, made plans to meet, and been open to receiving a cozy late night message where he called you his rock. He gets it.

You did so well by tackling this with him. You honored your marriage and your dignity by defining your boundaries. If he refuses to honor them, then you can decide what to do about that.

I’m so sorry that you’re going through this.

cushioncuddle · 05/01/2019 07:24

May be posters on here are making more of this than is actually happening.

Unfortunately there are people who stir and wind situations up for fun. Then watch it unfold.

You can't believe what he's said probably because so many negative comments on here have got into your head.

This is not a good forum to seek advice. You've turned into a game for many on here.

Your H has not shown any indication of wanting to meet her. No further evidence has arisen apart from you becoming more insecure as you read unsupportive and nasty replies on here.

Please leave this thread. Havre it deleted. They are destroying your marriage now not the original post.

Redskyandrainbows67 · 05/01/2019 07:33

He’s in love with her I think - still - from the olden days. Their recent contact has just reawakened that old feeling. Talking to him or him ‘behaving’ is going to change how he feels.

You deserve better than this for sure.

Redskyandrainbows67 · 05/01/2019 07:34

Isn’t going to change how he feels

Zoflorabore · 05/01/2019 07:56

cushion

I don't think that posters are playing along in some kind of sick game here, we're only going on what the op has said and i believe that the only person in all of this who is messed up is op's husband.

Whilst I agree with you to a degree that sometimes on here an op gives a version of events that are then twisted and manipulated with cries of "LTB" or "he's clearly having an affair" when clearly not, this scenario is different in that it's quite black and white.
Op's husband has and continues to disrespect their marriage by publicly wooing his ex and op is clearly an intelligent woman.
I don't see how it's helpful to make out that all is fine and dandy and that posters are being over dramatic. Op knows that her husband has crossed several lines and is looking for support which I feel she has been given.

I for one do not revel in others misery and think she has acted with dignity and restraint considering what she has discovered.

Op I hope you don't feel like cushion has described and you do not owe anyone on this thread an update. This is your real life and this thread is yours to use as you please. If you feel you need continued support then don't be put off. The vast majority of posters have nothing but sympathy for you and are here for a hand hold should you need it Flowers

Ivegotthree · 05/01/2019 08:01

Good luck OP. You're having an awful time and I wish you the best.

Stay strong

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 05/01/2019 08:17

I echo Zoflorabore she has put everything I felt on reading your post, cushioncuddle OP isn't a stupid woman, and can sift through the posts sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

OP his lacklustre response to your concerns is telling me he wants to continue in his fantasy, while vaguely trying to placate you. You need to ask him what is more important to him - his inappropriate (and disrespectful to you) contact with someone in his past, or his present marriage? A PP said it's a sort of Charles/Diana/Camilla situation, with you in the Diana role. Is that how you feel?

Tractortod · 05/01/2019 08:25

Oh OP. I know its easy for us to type and much much harder for you to live through this but have some self respect. Not only did you know you weren't the love of his life when you married him, but it's continued to be obvious throughout the entirety of your marraige and his behaviour does nothing but support that.

Go and find someone who loves you, and only you.

You will never find happiness here. Don't waste the rest of your life feeling like you'll never live up. Paranoid and jealous.

Hezz · 05/01/2019 08:52

I hope OP sorts things out with her DH.

That's why I said to tell him she knows what BBJE means, in the hope that it shocks him into seeing what a complete pig he's been.

Needsomebottle · 05/01/2019 09:08

So sorry for what you're going through, I'm afraid I haven't read all the comments but have picked up on you saying he's a good husband. I thought that about mine. About five years ago I discovered he was texting another woman from work who he never mentioned, his phone was glued to him etc. There was nothing sexual but similar to you, he didn't mention me and where she was chatty, he was over friendly and attentive. We spoke, I told him I felt it was an inappropriate friendship for a married man. He continued for a couple of years. I resigned myself to it, not sure if I was being unreasonable.

Now, I look back, two or three years after he stopped, as I wrangle with the fact that I no longer feel love for him like a wife should, and realise that wasn't the behaviour of a good husband. He also acknowledges this now as he's faced with me unsure if I want to carry on in our marriage.

I am sure, like mine, your DH is a good husband in many ways. But if his actions are making you feel this way that's not good behaviour. To play a part in making you feel so muddled and (I recall the emotions well) frantic and fraught. Your feelings are valid. They are how you feel! He should listen to that and make adjustments accordingly.

Please don't end up where I am. Hugs to you.

user1479305498 · 05/01/2019 10:00

Needsome. I have exactly the same scenario, it stopped, but I no longer feel that I was special or that ‘one off’ connection I always thought we had. Once you know they have the ‘ability’ to be totally twatty and borderline disloyal, you kind of see them in a different light, doesn’t make them horrible people, just kills the romantic connection

Needsomebottle · 05/01/2019 10:16

User14.... I get that. I couldn't bring myself to deal with it at the time and address it head on. Now years on as I realise I've put the walls up, and he very kindly made his decision to stick it out with me when he wasn't happy (recent admission - didn't discuss with me at the time!) I feel like a cow for letting something from years ago that he's moved on from strongly impact a massive life decision that impacts four of us. I wish I'd had the courage to face it at the time!

SimplySteve · 05/01/2019 10:25

Your H has not shown any indication of wanting to meet her.

Oh? Apart from offering to show her round, that is?

Sorry, not RTFT, but he's using evasion tactics, clearly being "eying her up" for a year, frequent messages, an admission she's "the one who got away".

I'd be thinking an affair followed by divorce and their marriage in the future, sadly OP.

hammeringinmyhead · 05/01/2019 11:15

I just don't think it's a coincidence that he started all this photo-liking and messaging a year ago after she had become single "recently" in his words.

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 05/01/2019 12:34

OP he is throwing you the crumbs only. Yu have to decide if you are happy with this or not. I can't see him changing this any day soon.

As far as the PP's that say it's all very well but how many would really end LT relationships and marriages over stuff like this. I did. I was in a similar situation to this thread. He was equally blatant but denying denying denying. Nothing would quell my inner gut feeling though. There was too much bad stuff for me to ever just 'get over' once I had done some proper digging and I got advice and he left. He didn't stay with her more than a year and asked to come back. I laughed in his face. I was in every bit as much agony as the OP here but ultimately I didn't want just his and her crumbs. The fact that she is looking forward to the next chapter - sheesh!

Beaverhausen · 05/01/2019 12:56

The only way OP and her dh are ever going to sort this out And try and make their marriage work is if he cuts all ties with "The one". Or he has to be honest with himself it is either his wife and family or a single woman who is obviously very bored and playing with a married man.

He has to cut that the or she will never go away.

mikado1 · 05/01/2019 13:23

OP, it was very hard for you to confront him on it, when you want it all to go away. You probably want this effort/apology to be acceptable just so thinks can revert to normal. But I don't think you think this is enough, whilst equally not wanting to 'push it' , though you really wouldn't be. I had a wobble 10yrars ago and initially DP was horrified, couldn't face life without me etc. but when it came to talking things through, coming with a plan for change, after a day or two he was all 'Are you still going on about this?' and I was sufficiently chastened and shut up, grateful that he'd agreed he was in the wrong and I'd 'dealt' with it, but of course I hadn't and the same things are issues now. Not good. Stay strong, be brave, think what you would do for him and expect the same for yourself.

Consolidatedyourloins · 05/01/2019 15:47

@VietnameseCrispyChicken

Not sure why some posters were piling in on you, it was verging on bullying. Your posts were clearly reasoned and thought out.

The funny thing was when you were advising OP that she doesn't have to do anything and to take things slowly, you were accused of being gleeful and disingenuous yet it was perfectly fine for them to advise the same thing to OP. Hmm