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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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U2HasTheEdge · 03/01/2019 16:09

Hi OP. I am sorry you are going through this Thanks The comments on the BBJE and messaging her about how beautiful she looks in her bikini would be enough for me. I find that cruel and I personally couldn't forgive that, but that's me.

No one knows if she wants an affair with him, but one thing is certain, she certainly hasn't made it clear that she isn't up for it. If an ex wrote BBJE to me and was messaging me in that way it would be an instant block. I would not be talking about meeting up with him like she is.

You are still in shock and your'e obviously really scared about what this means for your marriage and future. Totally understandable and normal. Take it in your own time, you don't have to do anything right now if you don't feel ready just yet. You certainly need to talk but if you need to get your head together a bit more first that is understandable Thanks

Janedoe123 · 03/01/2019 16:12

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U2HasTheEdge · 03/01/2019 16:14

He could never leave the OP and she’s still discovered she’s with a man who lies to her, disrespects her in front of mutual friends, sends lecherous compliments to another woman about her body in a bikini, and the rest. I think it’s certainly worth warning OP he may be considering that so she isn’t blindsided if it happens. But whether he does or not isn’t the point realistically. He’s still done everything else.

Completely agree. For me, that would be enough to end the marriage, even if it never turns physical.

Lweji · 03/01/2019 16:16

Janedoe123

What do you think could have happened if you were able to meet every month for a couple of days without your spouses around?

HairBnB · 03/01/2019 16:17

So @Janedoe123, if you had been issued with an ultimatum, would you have put your old flame first and left your DH or what?

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Tentomidnight · 03/01/2019 16:21

I think you can come back from this, but only if he can burst his bubble of limerance before they actually meet up.
He needs to go cold turkey, cut her from his life. Is he willing to do that?
Maybe it will take an ultimatum from you.

Lweji · 03/01/2019 16:22

Maybe I've become an old cynic, but I doubt two old flames who couldn't live without flirty contact would be able to be in regular alone contact without descending into an affair. You'd have been playing with fire.

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SeaGreenSeaGlass · 03/01/2019 16:41

He's behaved terribly and she's hardly your ally.
What do your friends and family think? You must get some real-life support.
I really hope that you don't look back on this time and wish you'd taken action now. It seems at the moment that your best hope is that she rejects him, which is no way to live. This board is full of similar stories of women who are a few years on from you, and after years of hoping nothing comes of it, the husband leaves when the child "is old enough" or leaves home for uni or whatever.

It sounds like your self - respect is minimal. I hope you can work on that. That the bbje comment and the rest aren't enough to make you act is really sad.

MsDogLady · 03/01/2019 18:01

Worried, it is perfectly natural to feel confused about what to do. You CAN effectively communicate your feelings to your husband. My suggestion:

First, find your anger and then use it to fuel your focus. Your husband’s actions are threatening both your and your child’s well-being.

Next, write down bullet points to use as your guide. Use comments from this thread if you want.

As Fairenuff and Notonthestairs suggested, start with his public
“BBJE still” comment. That is a betrayal on so many levels. He needs to know that your feelings about this are VALID. (I would also include the red bikini comment, as I’d see both as intimate betrayals.)

I would then discuss the inappropriate communications with her that are infused with emotional energy and cross the line. Coupled with the sexual messages, they do not signal a platonic friendship.
Frequent, secret messaging
Rescuing her from depression
Receiving her special midnight message praising her “rock” and
cryptically referring to the “next chapter”
Making plans to meet to “show her around,” again encouraging

her reliance on him

As for her, she wants to rely on him and is encouraging the emotional connection. She didn’t shut him down after the sexual comments. Instead, she added a flirty “Naughty” and thanked him. All in public.

Worried, I will be thinking of you. When you speak to him, use a guide if you need to and focus on your valid feelings. And remember that you had every right to investigate this very real threat to your marriage. He is being emotionally unfaithful.

MsDogLady · 03/01/2019 20:30

Yes, I agree with Tentomidnight. I would speak to him soon, before he goes out of town. He is compartmentalizing his affair bubble and you need to burst it. You wondered how he could risk losing everything and why he wasn’t mentioning you & DD in the messages.

Answer: Affair Bubble. Pop it by confronting him about the “BBJE still” and go from there.

He needs to understand that you will not tolerate his behaving like a single man. That a married man exchanging sexual messages and emotional closeness with another woman is NOT ON. That he must go NO CONTACT or face losing it all. Personally, my husband would suffer consequences and would be told to leave for a while while I consider MY choices.

ILsGoHomePlease · 03/01/2019 21:26

They have now gone thank f**k, preferred sofa spot has been reclaimed as has tv remote. Now off work, enjoying family time & currently binge watching Luther with a glass of lovely chilled white.

(I don't understand the not knowing when they'll leave thing either and don't know how many times I asked DH when they were here until. In good news even he had had more than enough & we discussed that we'd never end up in the same situation again and either Xmas or NY for a visit but NOT the whole time. Here's hoping!)

Happy New Year, everyone WineSmile

ILsGoHomePlease · 03/01/2019 21:26

Sorry wrong thread Blush

glitterfarts · 03/01/2019 23:57

The fact that your DH has commented publicly for all to see "BBJE - still!" - best blow job ever still to this day is just vile.
How humiliating and embarrassing. Imagine if YOU said that to an ex on FB?

I think he should be handing over the ipad for you to read all these "nothing to worry about" messages. If he won't, I'd kick him out.

Weenurse · 04/01/2019 00:33

I think just talk to him. Explain that her comments were chatty and his were flirty and you find that disrespectful and hurtful.
How would he feel if you were the same with and old flame of yours?
Then ask him to delete her as a friend on SM if he can’t respect your perspective

IdblowJonSnow · 04/01/2019 00:45

Op that's horrid. I'm so sorry. What a shit bag he is. Let them have each other. Do you have any real life support? Are you in a position to look for work asap? If you do split you will obviously be entitled to help from him. Screen shot the comments on fb and get a pass code on your own devices. It's very easy to think the grass is greener - but it rarely is! I hope they get what they deserve. Hug to you. Wine

PolkaDoting · 04/01/2019 01:10

Did you really not work out what BBJE meant?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 04/01/2019 07:10

I didn’t know until I googled it, Polka. And I’m fairly young! But I am surprised OP didn’t think to google it, it’s the first result.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 04/01/2019 07:13

I knew what BBJE meant, and I'm in my 60s! Blush

PouchofDouglas · 04/01/2019 07:16

Again. This is why women need a job. And not just for money.

Zoflorabore · 04/01/2019 07:53

Op I've read the whole thread and I'm sorry to echo many others that I believe your dh is at the very least infatuated with his ex.

If you're able to share how he changed regarding her getting married then I think that could be telling.

Many people have "the one that got away" but that's all they will ever be.
The fact that your dh is making plans to meet this woman shows he hasn't moved on and is being incredibly disrespectful towards you.

The BBJE comment is pathetic on his part.
He's obviously said this to her many years ago when young and possibly inexperienced and she may have taken it as a huge compliment. I know if someone would have said that to me at 20 rather than 40 I would have had a different view of it.

It's like he wants to compliment her and by saying this he's putting her on a bloody pedestal. The statement itself is insulting to you but he's also said it publicly which makes him look like a tool.
How many others ( her family etc? ) have seen that comment? Immature and pathetic.

I hope you're doing ok under the circumstances and totally agree that self care is so important, especially in times of crisis.
Thinking of you Flowers

Toptheginup · 04/01/2019 08:14

Sorry I've not read the full thread but just skimmed through.
I couldn't get over that amount of disrespect.
I would bin him. But that's just me

Yesitwasmethistime · 04/01/2019 10:19

Hope you’re doing ok OP. It is very difficult for you. I also would talk to him about your worries before he goes away next week.

DH was once worried when I came back from an evening out with an ex (who is now a long term friend) and had imagined some lust on my behalf. He couldn’t have been more wrong, I was stunned when he suggested it a few days later and burst out laughing with an ‘oh God no’, he was genuinely reassured and the whole thing was soon over.

I think your situation is clearly more complex, but your DH may be able to reassure you, if not it may well make him think about his behaviour and that it is risky and stop anything actually happening. Who knows but I don’t think it would be a bad thing to share your concern.

Good luck.

Butterfly44 · 04/01/2019 15:18

When you have a comfortable life and don't want to rock the boat for the kids - that is the number one reason people who aren't particularly happy, stay together. It's the hardest thing to ever do or entertain doing. The thought of a different unknown future is terrifying.

However, think about if your DD came to you with this problem as her mum, what would you advise? You would hate disrespected she's made to feel. Would you suggest her husband goes to counselling to fix it? I don't know. Sometimes a dose of reality works. Tell him you deserve better treatment, that his how he treats you is a reflection of what DD sees. He needs a kick on what he could lose and if this fantasy of a past relationship is worth it. Tbh it sounds like the ex just likes the attention. Yes she is single but things like 'my rock' etc is harmful. All contact with her needs to be cut and you are not unreasonable to demand it. If he doesn't then tell him to leave so he can go and think about it. He has the best of both atm and doesn't think you'd ever go.