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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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Consolidatedyourloins · 05/01/2019 15:50

@Cuttingthegrass

Viatnamese please stop. This is NOT your thread. Go clean a cupboard out or something.

How rude. Angry Did you miss MNHQ's message about posting kindly?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 05/01/2019 17:30

Thanks consolidated, yeah I have no idea why the weird pile on but I guess some people have issues 😂 would never let it stop me from contributing. Though the weird ‘you’re backpedaling’ post from LyingWitchInTheWardrobe was so nonsensical I think she got me mixed up with someone else.

The funny thing was when you were advising OP that she doesn't have to do anything and to take things slowly, you were accused of being gleeful and disingenuous yet it was perfectly fine for them to advise the same thing to OP. hmm

As it always goes on MN! There’s such a nasty bullying culture that MN don’t really address beyond saying ‘please be kind’ when it hasn’t actually broken any forum guidelines. Tbf I doubt they have the time.

category12 · 05/01/2019 17:37

It's also really patronising to act like a thread on Mumsnet is going to make anyone do anything they don't fundamentally want to do. People take what they want from threads.

HeebieJeebies456 · 05/01/2019 18:35

i'd sneakily install/turn on location tracking on his phone so i could see where he's been whilst he's 'away with work'.
Or turn up unannounced....

Newyearnewme2019 · 06/01/2019 10:33

If you want to bring it up again without him saying "we've been through this, why mention it again' tell him a joint friend of both of you has asked why he's going on about blow jobs with another women?

If he tries to minimise just tell him you'll start commenting to ex's on FB with sexual innuendos or just on friends post saying you would like a good banging from Tom Hardy etc Smile

What he's done is extremely disrespectful and no thought for you seeing it and how it would make you feel and I can guarantee he doesn't mention you in their exchange as that would muddy the waters (so to speak) and would be a stark reminder to both that there is another person in the relationship

Bluntness100 · 06/01/2019 10:41

Op, what did you ask for, and what did he loosely agree to?

Viatnamese, think about this for a moment, one person agrees with you, a great many disagree and think you're being rather horrid , but it's the one who agrees that is right, and everyone else has issues?

LeeBird · 06/01/2019 12:19

BBJE comment- how disrespectful to you and OW. What was he thinking putting that for everyone to see?
I was in similar situation to you about 20years ago with my first husband. It is nothing you can do, I'm afraid, but just stand and watch your life slowly crumbling down. Don't be a doormat, get your ducks in a row and start planning YOUR life.

Consolidatedyourloins · 06/01/2019 12:33

Viatnamese, think about this for a moment, one person agrees with you, a great many disagree and think you're being rather horrid , but it's the one who agrees that is right, and everyone else has issues?

Bluntness, but it's not just one person. Lots of people have disagreed with you (Fairenuff, Lwegi, category12 etc) and you made some pretty horrid and personal comments. The fact that you say it's only one person is ridiculous and makes you look foolish.

It's not about agreeing and disagreeing with someone, it's the way you and cuttingthegrass and a couple of others have ganged up on @Vietnamese simply because she has the temerity to have a difference in opinion. You may disagree with her, but she has sincerely and eloquently made her arguments.

You on the other hand have 'FFS'd at people you disagree with and told someone to get critical thinking skills as an insult. Vietname has responded with dignity.

Bluntness100 · 06/01/2019 12:36

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VietnameseCrispyFish · 06/01/2019 12:40

Very confused as to where you’re getting the idea from that only one person has agreed with me, not that it really matters. We’re not in the playground here, we’re all individuals making our comments, it’s simply childish and rude to make the kind of comments you have on this thread (and other posters who decided to join the pile on without actually having good reason beyond noticing that someone had already started it and wanting to join in the kicking). I think it says something that you’re trying to imply I’m alone in my views still despite the posters who’ve commented since the bullying saying they don’t see what I’ve said wrong, plenty of others have shared similar views, and so forth.

You’re nothing but a bully, as others can see from your posts on this thread. I’m glad they’ve not been deleted!

VietnameseCrispyFish · 06/01/2019 12:46

Oh Bluntness 😂 you’re actually quite funny, bless you. There can be no possible explanation for someone disagreeing with you/pointing out your nastiness than it being your victim under a sock puppet account. Because you can’t even comprehend you might be wrong 😂

Go for it, report our posts and get MN to see our IP addresses/check out if we’re puppets. I feel for you.

And thanks Consolidated, I did think I was losing it for a bit when Bluntness started the pile on as it was so weird and unnecessary. Glad to know I’m not going crazy, I happily stand by everything I’ve shared on this thread!

And OP, if you’re still there, I’m sorry it’s turned into a bit of a bunfight.

category12 · 06/01/2019 12:47

And now you're "poisoning the well" Bluntness Hmm. If you have concerns, you should report them to MN.

Consolidatedyourloins · 06/01/2019 12:47

Well considering I have had this account for years, a quick report to MNHQ should assure you pretty quickly that I'm not Vietnamese.

The assumption that because I stuck up for someone must mean I'm a sock is tiresome and odd.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 06/01/2019 12:50

Oh gosh consolidated, we just posted a minute apart. Must be some quick typing to have hit post on the one under this username and then written out another under yours ;)

Consolidatedyourloins · 06/01/2019 12:55

Haha Vietnamese, I suppose we could have two tablets with two different accounts 🤣

Sadly I lack the stamina to maintain one account let alone two!

Lweji · 06/01/2019 13:02

Well, I didn't post specifically before, but I also don't see the issue with Vietnamese.
Sure, there were some posts I didn't fully agree with, but all the personally directed posts smack of goading fuckery.

Btw, I wouldn't feed Bluntness too much. It has stood out in other threads. Hmm

Newyearnewme2019 · 06/01/2019 13:10

Ladies please - Can we get back to the matter in hand ?

Lweji · 06/01/2019 13:15

When there's updates... Wink

Gina2012 · 06/01/2019 13:16

Bless you @Worriedandveryconfused

This is awful for you

I think you and DH need counselling (Relate?) to help YOU express everything clearly.

I think you need to type everything up so you can talk it all through with a third party (Counsellor) and DH

I see no other option - I think (and I say this kindly) that you're too nice and shy to invite OW over for dinner and pleasantly and sweetly wipe the floor with her

DH needs to understand what he's going to lose if he takes the next step to an IRL affair. Atm its an EA more on his side imo, and I think he's full of reminiscing for what could have been

Faced with cold hard facts about losing you and DD , those cosy warm reminiscings will fall apart - I am sure

Stay strong and focussed

You can do this. YOU CAN ThanksThanks

SandyY2K · 06/01/2019 13:19

@Newyearnewme2019

Ladies please - Can we get back to the matter in hand ?

Couldn't agree more. It's ridiculous and childish.

Just stop it FGS

I'm unsure how you think it's helping the OP. Constantly derailing the thread.

SandyY2K · 06/01/2019 13:24

@Gina2012

Faced with cold hard facts about losing you and DD

Neither party in a marriage should lose their child, even if they split up.

His DD will always be his DD.

I'm with you in losing his wife though.

Dimsumlosesum · 06/01/2019 13:46

Yeah my DH used to message me nice things too. At the same time he was messaging her. Delightful. They become excellent liars.

Gina2012 · 06/01/2019 14:10

@SandyY2K

You're right

Should the worst happen and the OP and her DH split , he won't lose DD

But imo he WILL lose what he has now with DD

It will change irrevocably

Is OW and his imaginary romance with her, worth this irrevocable change and ( imo) irreversible loss of the OP and their DD ?

I think he needs to look at this question. I think this question needs to be asked of him clearly and with cold light shining on it

I think the best way to do this is in Counselling

Fairenuff · 06/01/2019 14:26

Viatnamese, think about this for a moment, one person agrees with you

No, plenty of people agree. They are just not giving you the satisfaction of derailing the thread over this.

OP if you still want to post about this, what was the 'agreement' you came to, or think you came to.

Tbh his unwillingness to accept anything untoward does seem to indicate that he has at least emotionally checked out of your relationship.

Jenny70 · 06/01/2019 14:31

I would ask him to see the recent messages immediately (after he knew you'd seen the earlier ones). Are they the same, any "she suspects" kind of thing? Also has he decreased the frequency?

I don't think it's unreasonable to read the messages, given his "sort of" admission and their history.

And the BBJE, even if he fobs it off as something else which is a private joke, others on FB will know this acronym which they will assume he is referring to. And that is disrespectful to your marriage and commitment.

And I would be clearly telling him that meeting her in new city rings major alarm bells, that his judgement seems impaired in relation to this woman, and he can't be her rock, given his blurring of friendship/flirting lines. She needs to find other friends to support her, that his being her foundation makes you uncomfortable.