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Confronting DH about his sulking

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jamaisjedors · 11/12/2018 13:40

To cut a long story short, we went away for the weekend for my birthday plus the anniversary of a family bereavement for me and DH gave me the silent treatment and sulked all day Saturday and pretty much all weekend.

We sat down and discussed our point of views about the weekend and I have expressed how lonely and hurt I felt. He has expressed that he felt I was ungrateful and ruined his weekend and failed to ask what was wrong with him.

It's been left there. I think he thinks that's that, done but I can't get past it and feel really distant from him.

This is not the first time he's done it, and actually I swore never to let him get away with it again, yet I'm still here.

I'm not perfect and this is what he will bring up if I confront him but I'm not sure how to bring it up without taking it all over again.

I'm thinking of leaving but maybe that's overdramatic, seems ridiculous to end a 20+ year relationship and shake up my kids lives for this - maybe I need to get a thicker skin?

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singme · 28/01/2019 16:47

I’m sorry OP I haven’t read the full thread as I’m heading out but your title resonated with me.
My ex DH constantly sulked and gave me the cold shoulder. Every single holiday we had had at least one day he wasn’t speaking to be because of my “attitude”. I spent so much energy trying to manage him and placate him and it never worked. In the end he ended things but now over a year on I understand that that isn’t normal to behave that way.
It took quite a few sessions with a counsellor for me to have the strength to move out of the marital home, even several months later I had eureka moments about what the counsellor was trying to make me realise.

Hope you’re ok OP.

everythingbackbutyou · 28/01/2019 20:38

Jamais, I wanted to let you know that your thread means the world to me at the moment - you are so strong. I too am in a relationship approaching 20 years, with 3 dc. It has taken me until fairly recently to fully realise and accept that what I am dealing with is not 'sulking' or 'sensitive' or 'stress at work' but actually narcissism and abuse, although looking back it seems so clear. I totally get your not being quite ready to throw in the towel - when I do go, I know that it has to be for good and there will be no going back. So hard with 3 dc to consider. I am cheering you on every step of the way. You are not asking too much, or not measuring up. I know how nasty things can get just as soon as a 'reasonable' and 'loving' person isn't getting their way or someone else has 'stolen the limelight' for one second. Massive hugs.

DeRigueurMortis · 28/01/2019 23:09

OP just seen your updates.

It's a huge decision to make and I'm not surprised you're struggling to commit.

Truth is we all wish/hope for a happy ever after and that somehow a bad situation will turn itself around without making life changing choices for which we personally have to take responsibility.

I'd like to go back to a comment you made earlier in the thread about your children. You said that when H sulks the children try hard to cajole him back into a good mood with extra hugs etc

What are they learning from this?

That it's their job to manage someone's else's emotional responses/moods and/or that potentially it's up to someone else to do that for them. Fear of staying so as not to hurt them now could well result in a worse long term outcome.

Will they be upset about their parents separation? Yes in the short term.

Uncertainty and change is unsettling.

Will they accept and adapt with your support and love? Absolutely.

Your H wants you to make the call. It's part of the manipulation - it's all "weight" he's using against you.

You deserve more than this Thanks

jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 08:51

Hi all, thanks for your messages which are such a help to me.

Saw my psychotherapist yesterday and talked a lot, mostly about things I have already discussed with friends.

We also talked a bit about H's health and how chronic pain affects him.

She is going to try and find me another appointment as soon as possible, but for the moment that's not til end of February.

I read an interesting article last night about Passive agressive behaviour:
www.liveabout.com/passive-aggressive-behaviors-in-marriage-1102423

It kind of reinforces the idea that there is nothing much I can do about him because he will always deny his behaviour and avoid responsibility. This is so weird because if you met him you would think he was the most ethical, responsible person EVER!

More and more I am thinking "WHEN" rather than "IF" and in some ways the next couple's appointment (next Tuesday, 5th Feb) is looking like a deadline of sorts, because we are supposed to go away on holiday together the week after that, so that will need sorting.

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jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 09:03

From the article:
^That is the most difficult aspect of being married to a passive aggressive, the feeling that you and you alone are responsible for whether or not the marriage works.

The passive aggressive will also withhold as a form of covert abuse. They can’t express anger so to punish they withhold something they think you want. It may be sex, chores around the house or communication. Whatever it is, if they know you want or need it, they will make sure you don’t get it.^

This article is useful too, and made my jaw drop at some points because of the accuracy :
pairedlife.com/etiquette/Define-Passive-Aggressive-Marriage-and-Relationships

This example made something click in me :

Without prior notice a friend asks your PA spouse if he/she will walk said friend’s dog whilst they go out to the theatre for the evening and your spouse readily agrees with a smile. However, a few weeks later, when you unexpectedly ask your spouse to walk the family dog because you need to visit a sick elderly aunt, your spouse is most unhappy to do this and says that you should make the time to do it yourself before you go or when you come back from visiting.

When we got back from my birthday weekend, we arrived at the station and my tyre was flat. I had been having trouble with it for a while.

H stormed off to sit in the waiting room while I tried to call a taxi (unsuccessfully) in the pouring rain. He also refused to call a friend who might be able to pick us up (she did in the end, he handed over the number and I called her). He refused to help me change the tyre because he was too tired.

This week, on the way to work, my tyre needed air again, so we stop at a garage, and a young guy was having trouble with his flat tyre.

H helped him change it entirely, doing most of the work himself, helped him check the air pressure in the other tyres and all this when he had an appointment at work which he was then late for.

I really doubt myself in situations like this because I see how kind and helpful he can be to other people - so I think there must be something wrong with me that he won't go out of his way to do anything for me.

But the article points out what I've always suspected - there is seething resentment under the surface of "everything is fine", and it's directed at me.

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RandomMess · 29/01/2019 09:10

OMG that tyre example is just hideous and so hurtful!

DH and I are far from perfect and our marriage has long term ongoing issues but seriously your H is at another level! My DH has a painful and exhausting condition but he gets on with it as best he can and if he says he's too tired he literally is exhausted and it's never used as an excuse.

AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 09:13

On a positive note, I watched very careful when he changed the tyre for that young guy, and I'm pretty sure I can do it myself next time (getting it fixed this afternoon anyway). Grin

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jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 09:13

very carefully...

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Oblomov19 · 29/01/2019 09:24

Poor you.

Dh is a terrible sucker and I've told him again and again that it's not acceptable.

He said that he couldn't process it as quickly as I could. And that I just needed to give him space. Which sounded like such a reasonable request. That I didn't have a retort/answer/argument to contra with. So...., that's what we've ended up doing. Ds's and I just continue. But the atmosphere he thus creates, isn't that nice. Which I resent.

However I'm no angel. I recognise myself in the recent dog walking example. I am Mrs miserable, Mrs Victor Meldrew, : "all this bloody Brexit nonsense, Pah pah, is awful ".

and then the moment one of my three closest female friends comes round : I'm all joys of spring and they asked me to walk the dog and I'm like yeah yeah of course, no problem. so I clearly I have my own failings!! Blush

user1494670108 · 29/01/2019 10:06

Gosh, jamais your tyre story is just vile. Really upsetting to read, do not think it's you, it's definitely him. Maybe bring that one up in joint counselling if you go again, somehow I suspect you have others, many others.
It shows a complete lack of care for you and makes me want to give you a hug

MsForestier · 29/01/2019 10:19

My father is like this Jamaisjedors. Super helpful and cheery to others, couldn't do more for someone etc. But he has unhappiness and resentment (abusive childhood) which he expresses by being a complete dick to the family (or indeed people under him at work). He won't get help, it's everyone else who's at fault. I don't have any contact with him at the moment. Possibly forever.

Take care of yourself.

springydaff · 29/01/2019 10:22

You feel you're not worthy of help (re tyre) bcs that's what he sets it up for you to think.

He makes a big song and dance about going out of his way to help someone else - right in front of you. He's saying 'see, I can help others who aren't as disgusting as you'.

He hates you. With a passion. He is an abuser - this is what abusers do. They choose someone to hate and they let them have it.

They do it bcs they enjoy it. They get off on it.

It has nothing to do with you. It's all him.

Don't tell me about the 'wonderful and amazing to others' - I know all about that. As does anyone who has had the extreme misfortune of getting entangled with an abuser.

springydaff · 29/01/2019 10:27

I had an abusive childhood, MsForestier. I don't abuse others as a result. The one doesn't lead to the other, as countless others can attest.

In short, there's no excuse.

MsForestier · 29/01/2019 10:38

I think my father has a personality disorder Springy. It doesn't excuse the abuse but explains it. Other family members have it too. And with a violent childhood added, he really needs help. I've had abuse as a child but thankfully I am not abusive.

MsForestier · 29/01/2019 10:42

Flowers Springydaffs

PoppyField · 29/01/2019 10:51

God OP, that tyre incident is a brilliant example.

Sometimes with emotional abuse the waters are so muddied that it is hard to come up with an example of behaviour that nails it. What springs out of it for me - and this may just be what is triggered from memory of my abusive XH and how he drained me of joy and confidence - is the sadness and despair that you feel when this happens. Not just the ‘am I dreaming?’ sensation, but the total lack of kindness that is shown towards you. And it shocks you afresh every time. There’s a double take of not really being able to believe it. Until you’ve eliminated all the possibilities and only one thing can possibly be true, which is hatred.

The withdrawal of kindness is so heartbreaking. It makes you feel like a kicked dog. Aren’t I worth simple kindness. Just a bit? No! Comes the answer, time and again. It’s a horrible feeling. I knowit is such a lonely feeling. And it makes you feel pretty worthless.

So...well done for keeping your head up. And hold firm to the truth that he IS treating you badly and that it is unacceptable on any terms. You absolutely deserve better.

PoppyField · 29/01/2019 10:52

Ps. More bouquets from me for springydaffs. She’s got it covered.

jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 11:02

This is it exactly :

What springs out of it for me is the sadness and despair that you feel when this happens. Not just the ‘am I dreaming?’ sensation, but the total lack of kindness that is shown towards you. And it shocks you afresh every time. There’s a double take of not really being able to believe it. Until you’ve eliminated all the possibilities and only one thing can possibly be true, which is hatred.

I have actually said to H that I think that deep down he hates me because the way he treats me and speaks to me (or doesn't speak to me) gets me every single time.

He denies it.

But however much I have tried to cut myself off from it, it still cuts really deeply each time.

Possibly until now, because the rope has been cut so many times that it's snapped now. I still feel hurt though, even if I have more distance.

And yes, the effect on my self-esteem is crippling.

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RandomMess · 29/01/2019 11:14

Death by a thousand cuts...

How would you ever forgive decades of his deliberately hurtful and nasty behaviour now he has admitted that it was deliberate? You would just be there waiting for the next time.

Thanks
PoppyField · 29/01/2019 11:18

It is incredibly hard.

And, funnily enough, telling him what he’s doing will not change anything. I spent a lot of time (as you do) trying to think of ways to communicate this to him.

I took it on as if it was my interpersonal skills that were lacking, and felt that if only I could communicate properly he would suddenly twig and go ‘Oh my God she’s right! I have, unknowingly, been a complete shit. How awful, I shall change forthwith and implore her forgiveness!’

I tried this when I was at a stage when I couldn’t believe that he was actually, deliberately (?) treating me with contempt. It couldn’t be true, I thought. He’s treating me like he hates me! That can’t be because he hates me, can it?

I worked it out in the end, in my misery and confusion. Astonishingly, the answer was ‘yes.’ But obviously when I asked him this straight out he said ‘No, I don’t hate you’. It’s a complete headfuck.

You won’t get the truth out of him. But you can do the maths.

Yours has admitted he ‘punishes’ you. There are punishments all the way along. Mine was incredibly undermining about my child-rearing. Everyone else told me I was a great mum, because I was/am. He told our Relate counsellor that he ‘didn’t trust me with the children’. It was like a punch in the face.

jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 11:32

THIS is exactly it :

How would you ever forgive decades of his deliberately hurtful and nasty behaviour now he has admitted that it was deliberate? You would just be there waiting for the next time.

I have emailed the lawyer/solicitor I saw before Christmas to ask her for an appointment.

@Poppyfield - sorry about your ex, I hope you believe your friends/family now and I'm sure your children know that you are a great mum.

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Fairenuff · 29/01/2019 12:08

The kindness to others is the mask. He cannot let other people see the real him. He only takes the disguise off when he is alone with the family. To everyone else he is just a normal person.

The reason? He needs other people to think highly of him. It's virtue signalling.

To take an extreme example, look how charming Ted Bundy was.

PoppyField · 29/01/2019 12:08

I do my best! Still have problems with self-worth sometimes. Kicking oneself is not useful though. Even though I have discovered there are so many delightful and piquant ways to do it.

Really, really try not to feel guilty about how things are, particularly in regard to dcs. It’s such a nonsense emotion as it doesn’t get you anywhere and only serves to make you feel worse. He has dragged you and your marriage to the point of break up. You should feel proud that you are giving you and your dcs the chance of a happy home, without the black cloud. The atmosphere change is instant and enormous. I think you would all feel incredible relief. Doesn’t mean to say I didn’t cry during my first appointment at the solicitor’s!

Take care.

jamaisjedors · 29/01/2019 12:18

Thanks. Seeing the solicitor on Tuesday.

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Arkengarthdale · 29/01/2019 12:20

Good for you! All power to your elbow