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413 replies

ponygirl · 28/08/2004 21:33

Here it is!

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ponygirl · 18/09/2004 13:07

Steam away, spook! Angry is good right now.

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spook · 18/09/2004 13:11

I'm steaming to the beach for a BBQ now Ponygirl. He just picked the boys up and came in and said "you look really nice Gem" He was definately giving me the once over. RESULT!!!!

lolliepops · 21/09/2004 10:01

hows it going spook? i hope your hangging on in there, just thought i would let you know you have a cult following at my work! customers throughout the country have been put on hold whilst they read your thread. they all comment on how much stronger you seem and cant wait for you to move onwards and upwards!i think this should be turned into a book, and heres to a happy ending x x x

spook · 21/09/2004 11:17

Hi Lolliepops! I am a cult whereas my husband is a cu*t. How ironic!! I'm OK thanks for asking honey. Bit down today. My best friends husband went out with DH last night for the first time in 6 months. I was hoping for some grand declaration of his love for me and how much he regrets what he's done etc. Obviously no such thing. He loves me but is not "in" love with me. His favourite expression still seems to be "you can't put the genie back in the bottle" He still seems as obsessed with ever about work-putting that before everything else.
BUT...you would all have been proud of me. He took the boys to school this morning and asked if I would be in for a coffee when he'd dropped them off. I said I wouldn't-I had a very busy day. So I was feeling quite proud of myself until I got the call about last night. Now I just feel wretched again. But let's face it-it's nothing I didn't already know!!
Sorry you asked now!! Lots of love XXXX

anorak · 21/09/2004 11:21

Keep you chin up girl. You're on the winning straight now.

Anyway, what rubbish! You can put the genie back in the bottle. To me that's the equivalent of working to make a relationship work again. If he isn't prepared to then you will never get anywhere. He won't put the genie back into the bottle.

You're right not to waste a cup of coffee on him.

lolliepops · 21/09/2004 11:29

wow spook, you have "knocked him back"! bet you never would have though you could have ever have done that, we are all very proud of you. Are you still meeting him this week?

spook · 21/09/2004 14:53

I'm wasn't going to bring it up lolliepops but I really need to know what he intends doing about the house etc so maybe have to. The only real reason to see him for me was to make him love me again but that seems to be out of the question so I'm not sure if I can handle it. Get a grip woman!!!

connyflower · 21/09/2004 15:07

hi spook been following the thread but never posted before. why dont you meet him and get the house sorted out so that you can plan what you are going to do, on wards and upwards i say , but if you feel you cant face him get the solicitor to do it on your behalf, your a stong woman, hope it all goes well for you! good luck x

spook · 21/09/2004 17:40

Hi connyflower. Thanks for posting. Yes I think you're right. I need to get this sorted and he's away all next week. I do find it really difficult facing him but I also think-pull yourself together.Why pay a solicitor to do what we could hopefully achieve over the kitchen table.
Will message him tomorrow!

libb · 22/09/2004 09:51

Spook, thank you for your kind words on my other thread. You are very thoughtful, particularly as things are not easy for you right now.

I just want you to know that you are in my thoughts and hope you find your new chapter too xxx

spook · 22/09/2004 09:58

Oh Libb. So many people write nice things and make me cry! I feel like that hormonal mess we are after we've given birth. You know when you can't watch the news for fear of small children/illness story!! Thankyou honey. Onwards and upwards eh!!XXX

Blu · 22/09/2004 12:12

Have been reading all this Spook, and don't really know what to say.
This 'love / in love' nonsense. I feel exasperated because it just makes him sound like one of those immature men having a mid-life crisis and not accepting that feelings in relationships grow and change into other things. Solidarity, mutual suport, kindness, all the things that may not be breathless and heady, but create a family. What he is saying is that he does not want to stay in a family relationship. And yet he wants you to maintain his family so that he can pay a visit and experience the thrills from time to time, like a local theme park.
If he wants to break up the family by leaving it, he has to accept that you will need to 'do your thing' and he can't expect you to preserve his family life for him while he goes off in search of responsibility-free relationships.

My own approach would be to attempt to communicate civilly and directly with him, and not make a point of doing things through solicitors - except for anything financial. But that's because that's 'me', and if I can manage it, I prefer the dignity of remaining cool rather than being deliberately awkward or acting out of revenge. if I genuinely couln't cope with the pain of a face-to-face meeting, or if he was bullying or intimidating me, then I would do it through solicitors.

Hope you're looking after yourself, XXXXX

anorak · 22/09/2004 16:02

blu, you have said it all so eloquently. I completely agree. He is talking like a teenager.

spook · 22/09/2004 18:12

Hi Blu.Hi Anorak. You are so right. He has just put the lid on that chapter of his life and WILL NOT accept that he could come home. It is definately family life he has opted out of,
Anyway-you're right. Calm,civil and kill him with kindness(as opposed to the kitchen knife I would rather use) He is coming over at 1.30 tomorrow. Am absolutely DREADING it but there is so much to discuss and we need to be grown up. My little ones birthday is coming up. What are we going to do about that??
I am going to need some help getting through tomorrow. Gulp.

anorak · 22/09/2004 18:15

Be confident, sweetie. You will be on your own turf and that always gives an advantage. Keep telling yourself to let your head rule and not your heart. DO NOT allow him to bully you. DO NOT defend yourself or try to explain your plans to him. If he doesn't like what you want to do say, 'I'm sorry you feel that way.' There is no comeback to it if you refuse to explain. If you feel he is backing you into a corner say, 'I'll think about it.'

spook · 22/09/2004 18:22

So what do I do when he brings up London and the fact that I am screwing up my childrens lives?? Do I mention Evil Barbie Bitch? Do I even hint at saving the marraige. I know I must be strong,not needy,a woman in control. I find it hard to get the balance right between strong and downright cocky. I really really want to be nice but I just know all the hurt will come flooding back.

Beetroot · 22/09/2004 18:27

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anorak · 22/09/2004 18:34

If you said something like 'You can stop me from moving to London by coming home,' he might pretend there is a chance of it just to stop you going. On the other hand, if you simply make your own plans assuming that he is not coming back, and then he does change his mind, it can all be reversed. If he does come back he needs to make that decision without pressure and really mean it. And if you have removed the olive branch and he really wants to come back then he will make the effort to win you back, won't he? If he couldn't be bothered to do that how sincere could he be?

Just say, 'I'm sorry you feel that way, but we're here to discuss our financial affairs, not that.'

spook · 22/09/2004 18:44

Yes-you're both right. Steer clear. Thought I may say something like"I can't see past the sale of this house at the moment" and then change the subject. I would never hint that he could stop me going by coming home.I promise. He knows that and vocalising it would make it seem like emotional blackmail.He has absolutely no intention of coming home.
I was just saying to Becca though-it's so hard. I would really like a pleasant time with him. Battles are over and we're out of the trenches. But so many topics are off limits. His work,our friends,my life...what's left??

Registered for some trade fairs today for Precious Things. V exciting I must say. There's even one in Paris!!

spook · 23/09/2004 09:34

God-today petrifies me. I have to go to my solicitor now to sign the Affadavit and at 1.30 DH is coming to the house for our "chat" I SO SO want it to go well and calmly and pleasantly rather than the battle he's no doubt expecting.
I am so nervous.

anorak · 23/09/2004 09:44

Best of luck - if that means anything. I am thinking of you. Do log on later and let us know how it went. xxx

JoBurger · 23/09/2004 09:46

Spook, good luck for today.

spook · 23/09/2004 10:57

Couldn't do it. It said do you find this person intolerable to live with...and I had to sign it at another solicitors office with witnesses and I couldn't.
And he has blown me out again. He's coming in the morning.
And my solicitor has put mental abuse on my file-from when he told me about sleeping with friend.

anorak · 23/09/2004 11:04

Oh spook...wish I could give you a big hug. Mental abuse is right.

Why is he mucking you about like this? Is it some kind of revenge because you were too busy to have a coffee with him the other day? He really is trying to control everything and never misses an opportunity to mess up your day, does he? Sooner or later you will see what a controlling, manipulative and cruel game he is playing and let go of the love you have been harbouring for him. I know how horrible and alien it seems to promise lifelong devotion to someone and then know that you have to rescind that. Most normal people can't let go overnight. But HE broke the contract, not you, and you are only punishing yourself now by pouring out this very costly loyalty to someone who evidently has no intention of honouring it.

All I see is a man who wants to make your life a misery. When do you think you can let him go, and drop the burning coal that you insist on holding to your chest?

Clayhead · 23/09/2004 11:06

Oh no spook, don't worry.

I always feel so inadequate on this thread but I thought I'd let you know someone was here until a wiser soul comes along.

xx