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What the actual fuck have I done?

190 replies

NoDeedYet · 08/11/2018 21:25

Deep breath - and a name change. I’ve been married for a lot of years, 2 DC grown and flown. My DH has worked hard to support all of us, and is a good man in every way. But the last four years have been horrendous. He has had a series of health related things, none of which have been diagnosed as anything serious, but his mental state is very fragile. He’s snappy, self obsessed, and miserable as sin. He doesn’t want to see friends or family, and complains that nobody understands what he is going through. He obsesses about diet and exercise, and judges everyone else by what he feels is the right way to live. In his good moments he knows he needs help with sorting himself out, but he won’t see a doctor about anything that isn’t physical.

I’ve become his carer, the sounding board for all his rants, and spend my time trying to smooth his path as much as I can, because I know this isn’t really him, and that somewhere underneath all this shit is the man I married, despite the fact that he doesn’t see me as anything like a wife.

Now it gets bad. I’ve got a hobby that I love, it takes me outside and away from all the grief at home. It’s quite a blokey sport, I’m one of only a couple of women. And we go to the pub afterwards, and there’s always lots of chat, although I’d never said anything about what’s going on at home. One evening a few months ago I just let it all out to a man I’ve known for a couple of years, and he just put his arms round me while I had a good cry.

This is all so horribly predictable. He’s been really lovely, and over the last few months we’ve got very close. He’s in a miserable marriage as well (he’s not a bullshitter, we have mutual friends who know his situation). Last weekend we went away with a group, and the inevitable happened. It doesn’t help that it was the best sex of my life, although maybe if you haven’t DTD for four years that’s always going to seem the case.

I’ve spent the last four days in a total mind fog. This whole thing is so not like anything I’d ever have considered, I can’t quite believe it’s happened. The OM has messaged me, apologising and offered to back right off, move to another club etc. I haven’t had the bottle to even contact him back. Wise women, judge away because mea culpa and all that, but please tell me what I can do now to make this even slightly less terrible that it already is. Thanks for sticking with this, didn’t mean to make it so long.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 11/11/2018 10:33

"I'd be lining up another meeting with the OM"

^^

Forget about the fact he's married and has kids eh. .. Oh but his wife is bipolar and he's miserable...so no problem right.

Hopoindown31 · 11/11/2018 12:00

It is not about whether you put up with it or not it is about what action you do take when you decide you've had enough. Infidelity is dishonest and cowardly and essentially is just an attempt to avoid the issue that will just make it worse.

People who disagree with the OP's cheating are not suggesting she just grins and bears it in stoic silence, they are suggesting that she take some definitive, honest action that doesn't involve getting involved with other people's marriages.

bastardkitty · 11/11/2018 12:18

Actually, some of them are suggesting exactly that!

rebelrebel3 · 11/11/2018 12:34

Sandy - actually yes!
Both OP and OM are trying to care for unwell people, all i'm saying is an affair can potentially help everyone in this situation. Obviously it's not ideal but there's no ideal option on the table is there? Is it really such a great outcome for OP and OM to tell their partners the truth - ie i can't carry the crushing burden you've become any longer and am now giving up in hope of finding someone better...oh and btw I've already shagged someone...
Seriously??

Butterfly44 · 11/11/2018 12:36

Totally understand the encounter with OM. He is going through something similar and it helps to talk with someone who totally understands. That support alone would draw you together.

However, totally understand the guilt you are both feeling, even more to in this case. But people are right - DH is self absorbed and affecting other people's mentality which isn't fair. You deserve to be happy and being a martyr doesn't provide that.

You need to put OM aside, as does he with you, to focus on the situation at hand - your marriage. Counselling, if he won't go, you go to get some perspective. It's not selfish. People outside who DON'T understand may think it but they are NOT living the life you are. This is your life.

Dadaist · 11/11/2018 13:23

@rebelrebel3 “ Is it really such a great outcome for OP and OM to tell their partners the truth - ie i can't carry the crushing burden you've become any longer”

How is the above truth worse than the truth that the actual truth that your partner chose to continue to actively deceive you, making your entire life a lie?

Perhaps the mental ill health of her partner is down to the state of the relationship? And she will perpetuate this and gaslight and lie - for his mental health- wtaf??!!

VenusInSpurs · 11/11/2018 13:43

“underneath all this shit is the man I married, despite the fact that he doesn’t see me as anything like a wife. “

Don’t beat yourself up, OP.
You can’t carry a struggling marriage single handed, and who’s to say your marriage wouldn’t be struggling even if he had no health conditions?

4 years is a long time not to have sex. And unless there is a direct link to his illnesses it shows he isn’t exactly bothered about doing anything to change this.

You are putting in loads of emotional energy in to supporting your DH, he is putting in none.

You have no need to stay for the children.

Treat the sex as a one off mistake, but take what you have learned from it. That your life could be different.

Then make your life different before sleeping with anyone else.

rebelrebel3 · 11/11/2018 19:53

Dadaist do you actually believe everyone whose partner has an affair magically 'knows' this at a deep level and goes mad as a result? That dishonesty is always noticeable? What a quaint world you live in. People deceive each other ALL the time, in big ways and smaller ways.. and about 95% of this goes unseen and unknown.

user1457017537 · 11/11/2018 19:59

I am the most loyal person going, but even I understand where you are coming from and how hard it must have been for you in the past 4 years. The thing is this doesn’t sound like a ONS situation and you could potentially want to take this further. It sounds like you both like each other. Could you meet for coffee and explain your feelings.

Wherearemymarbles · 11/11/2018 21:16

Well, I wonder many posters would be understanding of their partners fucking around as they went through a horrible menopause.

NoDeedYet · 11/11/2018 21:20

Thanks everyone for your comments, except perhaps for the person who posted this gem And hoping beyond hope that your DH has dementia so that you can say 'see, it's medical!' Cheers for that.

I realise this is an emotive subject, and that many MNers will have suffered at the hands of a cheating spouse. I never thought I’d be that cheating spouse, but events have just piled up and the good person you hope you will always be somehow gets subsumed into somebody despairing and actually a bit nuts.

That’s not a justification in any way, but I think there’s only so much anybody can take, and we all have our breaking points. Maybe some of us can go muddling on on for ages, with “in sickness and in health” tattooed on the inside of our eyelids. My breaking point was a nice man simply listening and being kind. And I should have taken that for what it was, but I didn’t. And this might all come back and bite me on the bum, and that will be my just desserts. But for now, staying away from OM, and harbouring no thoughts beyond seeing if it’s worth one more attempt at getting through to DH, and also getting myself some solo counselling. Thanks again.

OP posts:
Shriek · 11/11/2018 22:15

Was that me? I know I said something about it being good he was seeking medical investigation which is the major thing you were struggling with, and therefore show him it is something medical.
Maybe it would be a huge relief to get a diagnosis, and maybe that was speaking to that, that you will finally know what's been going on.
In reality that is terrifying for him to have to face, and no doubt he doesn't want to face it, whatever it is, but it will give you some answers as to what s been going on.
I do hope you get some answers soon

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 12/11/2018 00:42

No, Shriek, that particular "gem" didn't come from you but from Sweetness, who is determined to paint the OP in the blackest of colours, including outright calling her a liar.

Shriek · 12/11/2018 01:03

Oh thanks thumbwitch
I often wonder about your name, and try to understand it ...

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 12/11/2018 03:11

I have magic and wicked thumbs, that are able to work out the toughest of muscle knots. Wink

Shriek · 12/11/2018 03:12

Ha ha! Not to be trifled with!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 12/11/2018 03:25

Indeed! Also undisputed champion of thumb wars, at least in my own family. Grin

Sethis · 12/11/2018 13:57

"there's no ideal option on the table is there?"

No, @rebelrebel3 there isn't an "ideal" option.

There are, however, ethical options.

You know, ones that don't involve lying to your husband or wife, and everyone you know, and your kids, and secretly committing acts that are grounds for divorce.

Like.... maybe... I don't know... having some conversations and decisions with various spouses about the state of the relationship, if they want it to continue, ways it could be improved? Maybe even take some actions to end the marriage if neither party is happy?

fannycraddock72 · 12/11/2018 15:32

I’m totally with sandy2yk..I wonder if these responses would be the same if it was a man that cheated..I very much doubt it, a lot of double standards going on here.

ChiaraRimini · 12/11/2018 16:34

The real, offline world is very different to the Mumsnet Relationships board black and white view of evil cheaters and innocent betrayed spouses.
In the real world sometimes good people make bad choices. Sometimes there can be fault on both sides in a marriage. Just because the OP cheated it does not logically follow that her DP is 100% perfect.
OP I'd suggest talking to a relationship counsellor in real life, on your own. They see people all the time who are in your boat.

rebelrebel3 · 12/11/2018 17:13

Good post Sethis - real world is what I'm talking about
Sethis - 'ethical' - really?? This is what you bring to the complex world of relationships? I make ethical decisions in the supermarket when deciding which products to buy or boycott. Relationships take actual emotional intelligence...what planet are you on if you think that everyone in every infidelity situation including all the kids will alwsys be better off after a nice, ethical truth-telling session where everyone's puts their secrets on the table.
This is idiocy and madness, i hope your life stays nice and simple so you don't have any hard decisions to make

rebelrebel3 · 12/11/2018 18:07

Oops - the good post comment was meant for ChiaraRimini of course

Sethis · 12/11/2018 18:57

Whereas you prefer not to have any ethics at all?

Okay, have fun with that. Glad you manage to sleep well at night despite lying, hiding, keeping secrets and betraying every promise you made - explicit or implied - to your partner. I really do hope they're doing exactly the same thing to you.

This just in: You can abandon your moral compass provided you go without sex for an unspecified period of time. Excellent.

Huskylover1 · 12/11/2018 19:12

Sethis are you honestly saying, that if your wife hadn't touched you for 4 years, and had treated you like shit for 4 years, that if you got close to another woman, you wouldn't even be a teeny bit tempted to sleep with her? You must be dead from the waist down.

do men wear pearls

rebelrebel3 · 12/11/2018 19:45

Sethis your moral fervour is a fabulous spectacle and a novelty in 21st century - d'you ever speak in tongues?