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What the actual fuck have I done?

190 replies

NoDeedYet · 08/11/2018 21:25

Deep breath - and a name change. I’ve been married for a lot of years, 2 DC grown and flown. My DH has worked hard to support all of us, and is a good man in every way. But the last four years have been horrendous. He has had a series of health related things, none of which have been diagnosed as anything serious, but his mental state is very fragile. He’s snappy, self obsessed, and miserable as sin. He doesn’t want to see friends or family, and complains that nobody understands what he is going through. He obsesses about diet and exercise, and judges everyone else by what he feels is the right way to live. In his good moments he knows he needs help with sorting himself out, but he won’t see a doctor about anything that isn’t physical.

I’ve become his carer, the sounding board for all his rants, and spend my time trying to smooth his path as much as I can, because I know this isn’t really him, and that somewhere underneath all this shit is the man I married, despite the fact that he doesn’t see me as anything like a wife.

Now it gets bad. I’ve got a hobby that I love, it takes me outside and away from all the grief at home. It’s quite a blokey sport, I’m one of only a couple of women. And we go to the pub afterwards, and there’s always lots of chat, although I’d never said anything about what’s going on at home. One evening a few months ago I just let it all out to a man I’ve known for a couple of years, and he just put his arms round me while I had a good cry.

This is all so horribly predictable. He’s been really lovely, and over the last few months we’ve got very close. He’s in a miserable marriage as well (he’s not a bullshitter, we have mutual friends who know his situation). Last weekend we went away with a group, and the inevitable happened. It doesn’t help that it was the best sex of my life, although maybe if you haven’t DTD for four years that’s always going to seem the case.

I’ve spent the last four days in a total mind fog. This whole thing is so not like anything I’d ever have considered, I can’t quite believe it’s happened. The OM has messaged me, apologising and offered to back right off, move to another club etc. I haven’t had the bottle to even contact him back. Wise women, judge away because mea culpa and all that, but please tell me what I can do now to make this even slightly less terrible that it already is. Thanks for sticking with this, didn’t mean to make it so long.

OP posts:
Whyohsky · 09/11/2018 07:27

Don’t worry about what people think, OM is unhappy, so are you. Why not give it a go? You only have one life! And you deserve some happiness.

Shriek · 09/11/2018 07:32

Are you for real OP?

NoDeedYet · 09/11/2018 07:39

Shriek yes of course I am. Why wouldn’t I be?

OP posts:
Shriek · 09/11/2018 07:40

Well have you seriously had a great relationship until the last 4 yrs?

NoDeedYet · 09/11/2018 07:45

Yes, it’s been really good. We’ve been together since I was 14. He supported me through losing both my parents before I was 20, he’s been my one constant. I can almost name the actual date that he started to change, it was so sudden. That sounds like maudlin “creative writing” crap, sorry.

OP posts:
QueenOfMyWorld · 09/11/2018 07:55

I had a similar situation although not with a friend.I was in a miserable sexless marriage and tbh both our mh was suffering because of it.I was on a night out and met someone I fell in total complete lust for (I had assumed I had no sex drive anymore).
I ended my marriage the following morning as I realised id had a glimmer of what it felt like to feel alive!
I had a short fling with the man I met but 4 months later I met my now DH.
Don't settle ever you deserve a good life Flowers

QueenOfMyWorld · 09/11/2018 07:56

P.s my former dh was a very good caring man,Would never cheat,supportive etc but we weren't right for each other.

MyBrexitIsIll · 09/11/2018 08:11

What happened to "in sickness and health"?

I’ve always believed in that.
Except that ... the reality is different.

Most women are expected to do that but how many men do? As usual. Women are expected to do all the caring and when they dint, it’s seen as shock and so unacceptable. When posters are saying, what wouod day I’d thinsg were the other way around, no one mentions ‘in sickness and in health’. Nope they mention sperating or seein a counsellor rather than having an affair...

Supporting someone who is ill can be very hard. Supporting someone with mental illness is, in some ways, even harder. But no one should ever accept anything and everything ‘because he is ill’. I say that as someone who has gone through something similar. You cannot take full responsibility for someone else happiness. You cannot take responsibility for their health or willingness (or not) to see a GP.
MH can make you hard work. And you can argue that after so long, you should be there to support your partner. But not at any cost. And certainly not at the cost of your own MH. Or by accepting behaviours that are not acceptable/smoothing things over.

NoDeed tbh I don’t think anyone can say if it’s depression, an affair, dementia or anything else.
He needs to see his GP. And actually maybe a counsellor too.
Someone suggested to involve his children.
I wouod also suggest to stop making things easy for him. Maybe what he needs is a proper wake up call of how bad he is. And if you smooth things over, make oh so many allowances etc... he can’t actually ‘get’ how bad things are.

And I wouod NOT tell him about a ONS at this moment in time. Not if he is really in a bad place. Nothing good would come out of it.

And fwiw, a very good friend of mine did something similar to you. This was the catalyst for her to finally reevaluate her relationship and find the strength to leave. (Her exH was physically and emotionally abusive. He had sent her several times to hospital and made her miscarried...)
This ONS is YOUR wake up call. To give up on a relationhsip that just isn't working anymore. On finding help and support for yourself and your DH. On changing the relationship so that it can still work for you even with the MH problems. Whatever is your choice. (But it doesn’t automatically have to be staying ‘in sickness and in health’ and all that)

NerrSnerr · 09/11/2018 08:13

Don’t worry about what people think, OM is unhappy, so are you. Why not give it a go? You only have one life! And you deserve some happiness.

And fuck the other people who will get hurt eh?

I agree, if a man posted this he'd be ripped to shreds.

WitchyMcWitchface · 09/11/2018 08:44

Are we comparing like with like- most men we hear of on here have followed the script, no longer in love, not been happy for some time etc etc I don't remember many saying their wife has been severely depressed for 4 years were they wrong to hVe a ONS. And I would probably post similar to what I've posted here.

CallMeOnMyCell · 09/11/2018 08:49

I agree with @ohello, this isn’t a double standard as most men who cheat do so because they’ve been given an opportunity to or they’re bored with their marriage and family life. The OP is in a completely different situation and can’t be compared to a shit head man who destroys a family for a quick shag. She’s put up with a man who refuses to get help for FOUR YEARS!

NerrSnerr · 09/11/2018 08:52

And what about the other man's wife? Where does she come into it?

If the OP wants to fuck other men she should do the right thing and end her marriage.

Huskylover1 · 09/11/2018 09:13

No sex for FOUR years?! Come on! Fuck that for a game of soldiers. That would be enough for me to fall into another mans bed, and that's without the fact that your DH is a miserable sod.

All these PP spurting "in sickness and in health", honestly, give over. I would totally expect people to support a Partner who has an illness, but Op's husband has simply turned into a Bastard overnight. It's not the same as sporting a broken leg for a few months, whilst still being a lovely Partner. He's been a miserable bastard, who shouts at Op all the time, for FOUR fucking years. Would any of you put up with that? Because I wouldn't. It is no way to live

You CANNOT carry on with your DH like this. You only live once. You do not have any physical relationship with your DH. The role of your lover goes unfilled, and that's not good enough. How old are you? How much time do you have left, of having a sex life do you think, and do you want to waste one more moment of not having a man in your bed?

You can still be there for your DH (as a friend), if you can be bothered but your DH is no longer your Lover and Life Partner. He is quite frankly dragging you down into an early grave.

Life is waaaay too short for this crap.

I left a DH for different reasons. We'd been together 20 years. We had young children at the time, but it's always always do-able. I am now married to the love of my life.

Don't waste another precious day living like this.

And would I have an affair with OM? Hell yes. Even if he is only your exit affair, fuck it, yes I would.

3luckystars · 09/11/2018 09:22

It's awful really but look at it as hitting rock bottom. If you stay in the marriage, the way it is, you may end up doing it more.

It's like a wake up call. This is not working. Your husband wont do anything (because he is not able,) so you have to.

Its just a pity you didnt go and see a counseller befor now to help you.
Book in with a counseller to get some support to get your life back starting from today. Don't look back, look forward.

IrianOfW · 09/11/2018 09:59

Yeah, I was severely depressed 6 years ago. DH had an affair because he thought I didn't love him anymore. It hurt me more than I believed anything could, for a very long time. I wouldn't advise that course of actions to anyone.

There is no excuse to cheat but I think you know that.

There is a reason to leave and/or issue an ultimatum to your husband to at least try to get his shit together.

FWIW my DH has been off work for 6 months now suffering from stress and depression, after a year or physical problems after and accident at work. Sex has almost dried up. It's crap but for now I'm hanging in there. If and when I can't take it anymore I won't cheat - having been on the end of it before I wouldn't do it to my worst enemy.

petbear · 09/11/2018 09:59

@ohello

There was a study a few years ago, very sad, the majority of men will leave their wife if she becomes terminally ill while the VAST majority of women will not only stay but also put up with horrendous amounts of the terminally ill man being an absolute shit.

Link to these 'facts' please.

I don't know ONE man in real life who has left his wife when she is terminally ill.

The posters on here saying the OP's behaviour is wrong and out-of-order are right. And yes, I do think the double standards on here are sickening.

@huskylover1

No sex for FOUR years?! Come on! Fuck that for a game of soldiers. That would be enough for me to fall into another mans bed, and that's without the fact that your DH is a miserable sod.

What a horrible post. Hmm And what a lovely thing to say about someone who is suffering from mental health issues, and is depressed. (That they are a 'miserable sod!') From what I have read from the OP, her husband probably would be better off without her.

And if you get no sex for 4 years, and you are very unhappy, then LEAVE THE MARRIAGE... 'You have every right to fall into bed with another man' is a ridiculous thing to say. Bet you (and the others defending the OP) wouldn't say this to a MAN who 'fell into bed with another woman' because his wife was ill!

Disgusting attitudes from some posters on here, and yes, many, many double standards.

NoDeedYet · 09/11/2018 10:09

From what I have read from the OP, her husband probably would be better off without her
petbear, I’m fine with everything everyone else has said, but please don’t make those assumptions. I’ve worked so fucking hard to make this right.

OP posts:
Jux · 09/11/2018 10:51

See your gp. It sounds like you could do with the support, but also if your gp is aware of how your dh is affecting your life then they can incorporate that into the treatment they offer him.

Deadringer · 09/11/2018 12:10

Taking the om out of it, what does your future hold op? Are you actually willing to live like this until one of you dies, and if you go first, what will happen to your dh? Would an ultimatum be possible, he must seek help or you will leave? My brother has had a terrible life with his wife. She has suffered with depression since they had their first baby, but would not see a Dr. At one stage she was hospitalized and put on medication but she stopped taking it as soon as she got out. He has cared for her for nearly 40 years, raised their DC, done all the cooking, shopping and cleaning while working full time, and now that he is dying she is not there for him. She is too busy going to bingo or shopping to even attend his appointments with him. I am not saying you should just walk out, but something needs to change, life is short.

SweetnessIWasOnlyJoking · 09/11/2018 12:41

Well, as someone who has been in an intense relationship from a young age too, I can either only presume that you have had breaks in your relationship where you have slept with other people, or this isn't the first affair you have had. I refuse to believe you would be so easy (for want of a better work) having been with someone since you were 14.

People may tell me off for saying that and suggest I know bugger all, but trust me, I JUST KNOW. I'm suspicious. I judge you.

This place is so biased towards women. So you've been with someone through all your teens and adult life and you throw that away for a shag with someone who ... wait for it... put his arm around you? PLEASE!

Too late now. You've done it. Tell your husband so that he can leave and rebuild himself. Hell, you could well be the conduit to all of his problems.

And don't anyone here believe that the OM is blameless. He knows that this woman has been in this huge, long term relationship and would still go to bed with her... and that's not even taking into account his own wife. Urgh! I feel sick.

Seriously, I don't think many people here could understand how significant it is that the OP has been in a relationship since she was a child. It really matters. And hoping beyond hope that your DH has dementia so that you can say 'see, it's medical!' as an excuse for your poor and selfish life decisions is really desperate.

The whole point of this post is to manipulate readers into saying that you had no choice. Well, I'm not going to do that. If you were really worried/sorry/fixing this then, frankly, you would be not writing huge posts with a massive build up about how horrid your DH is before mentioning in half a line that you 'DTD'... you would SHOW SORRY. You're not sorry and I'm sickened by you.

Fuck me! You had better start by talking to your husband. Then talk to a therapist. And tell his parents. Get off Mumsnet and do the right thing for a change.

SweetnessIWasOnlyJoking · 09/11/2018 12:48

I'm still fuming so I'm back to bash angrily at my keyboard again!

I'm trying to calculate how long you've been together. My guess is about 30 years. So 26 years of what you have described as happiness and 4 years of struggles. Wow! Not much of the warrior in you is there!?

Fuck it! Send your husband my way. I'll look after him.

userxx · 09/11/2018 13:11

Bit harsh Sweetness, it doesn't sound like 4 years of struggles, it sounds like 4 years of misery. Of course its not idea what's happened but life isn't so black and white.

CallMeOnMyCell · 09/11/2018 13:20

Oh come on @Sweetness! You are being ridiculous! Since when did marriage mean that the wife has to be miserable for four years because her selfish husband won’t seek help? Hmm

Aridane · 09/11/2018 13:29

I’ve worked so fucking hard to make this right.

If ever there were an inappropriate use of 'fucking', then this is it (unless you include fucking an OM because the inevitable happened working fucking hard at a marriage)

Huskylover1 · 09/11/2018 13:46

Sorry, but if the Op hasn't had a sexual relationship with her husband for 4 years, then it's not even cheating in my book. Cheating is when you are sleeping with 2 people at once. Op hasn't done this.

Her husband has sexually neglected her for 4 years, and she's expected to not get any horny feelings when close to another man? Come on, get real!

She's a real woman, with desires and needs. If she wanted this life, she could have joined a convent.

I can only assume that people who don't understand, must have zero libido.

Op has been shouted at and neglected for FOUR YEARS. I would leave and I would feel no guilt whatsoever.

Enough is enough Op. Ignore the Pearl Clutchers. They aren't living your life and I daresay they haven't wanted or had sex in a looooong time.