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DH has called DD an ‘insufferable c#%t’ - am horrified

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Havetonamechangeforthisone · 07/11/2018 22:27

I have nc-ed for this. She ‘disrespected’ him (she is 14) and he shouted that at her and told her to fuck off (repeatedly) get out of his house and stop using his electricity and eating his food.

I’m in utter shock and horrified.
In the meantime DH has not spoken to her or me or our other DD for 72hours and continues to ignore us.

He’s had similar outbursts/sulks before but this takes the cake!!

I don’t know what to do. I’m so angry about how she’s been treated. Resigned/bored with the sulking. Have learnt not to initiate conversation but have to wait until it’s brought up. It’s absolutely unacceptable but what can I do about it??!! Feel totally helpless.

Any advice?

Message from MNHQ: The OP has updated the thread. Please read her recent post here.

OP posts:
Pinkbonbon · 01/10/2021 11:38

UPDATE; op has left (she has posted under a new user name so it is not highlighted)

StoatMilk · 01/10/2021 11:38

@BrokenFlipflop

I couldn't accept that behaviour at all, more so when it's directed at a child. He's a dick. I would leave him.
This

It’s a pattern of behaviour. Ask him to leave.

Havetonamechangeforthisone · 01/10/2021 11:45

I posted this under a new username so thanks to those who advised it is not 'highlighted' -reposting as so many kind people are writing supportive messages without realising I have updated:

I am the OP. I can’t believe this was nearly 3 years ago.
I wish I had acted on the good advice of people then. I wanted to hope things could change and improve. I wanted to see the good in him and work for a better family life.
Both the girls started developing serious depression, anxiety and other mental health problems. My focus became on dealing with those rather than being able to recognise the root cause. Hindsight is a marvellous thing. I am still struggling to call what happened to us as ‘abuse’ even now and even after all the other incidents.
The stonewalling got worse in the last part of 2019 where there was a 3 month period, during which I sought advice from the Domestic Abuse helpline who advised me how to prepare a safety plan and to start putting some money away in my own bank account. As I did not already have my own, I opened one in December. When he found out in January 2020, he was absolutely furious and told me to close it immediately. When I refused he started sleeping in another bed.
Later in 2020 he agreed to family therapy (after several threats to leave us and commit suicide if he was ‘rejected’ by us). It was not very productive especially when it came down to discussing the core issue - my eldest asking him to acknowledge he had been abusive. The first time she confronted him it was in person just before she started university and he was so angry with her he withdrew his offer to pay for her accommodation. I paid for it (and am still paying it off). He eventually agreed to pay for this year so hopefully will. In the therapy session, when it was raised he again became furious, argued with the counsellor who was trying to get him to think about what had been said rather than telling my daughter she was wrong and he eventually slammed his laptop shut (Zoom meeting!) and left. He refused to participate in further therapy.
It was another incident with the youngest DD (then 16) which triggered the months of stonewalling. Yet again he blew up at he with verbal abuse and told her to fuck off and that she had a few days to pack up all her things and leave the home. He went into her room and threw loads of her things in black bin bags and threw them out onto the driveway. I said she needed a place to live and it would be with me in my home. DD reported it to school and social services became involved.
DD also fell in with a horrible crowd and began substance abuse, her anxiety worsened, she developed an eating disorder and her boyfriend was abusive to her - she refuses to press charges. She is now being seen by CAMHS and is on intensive medication. They have diagnosed trauma symptoms amongst other issues. She had a suicide attempt a few months ago. The eldest is also still receiving counselling for potential CPTSD.
I asked for separation in April 2021 after having decided my NY resolution would be to finally break free from the toxic and damaging situation my family has become.
I have learned my husband has Narcissistic Personality traits and is behaving in a textbook manner of a covert narcissist. Outside the family, no one would believe what he can be like. My parents and brother keep saying they struggle to accept the things I tell them happened because it is so at odds with their experience If his behaviour and personality.
He begged for marriage counselling, blamed me for ruining his ‘world’, told everyone it was not his decision etc… and within a month he joined an online dating agency and took up with a mistress. Textbook narcissistic ‘discard’. The projection and personal attacks are constant. He blocked me on Facebook well before I asked to separate, tells me to fuck off and leave him alone; extorted money from me to use our family car as he wouldn’t renew insurance or pay road tax; I could give endless examples of how he controls our dog, has taken mutually owned items from the house without discussion etc…

Long story short - if your gut tells you to get out, GET OUT!!! Don’t wait like I did.

I have horrendous guilt over the extra damage done to our beautiful girls because I didn’t take action. As horrendous and stressful as the current situation is in regard to financial security, trying to divide assets (mediation failed - surprise, surprise!!) and the weaponisation of our dog and the youngest DD (eldest wants to change her surname and has told him she wants nothing to do with him if he can’t acknowledge and apologise for his behaviour towards her)… I HAVE HOPE for the future. I have finally done the right thing.

The fact his mother condones his adultery and ignores his abuse, and the fact other long term friends (there really are very few as he’s cut most people out if his life) don’t realise what he’s really like is irrelevant. We know the truth, we have many who love and support us and we are on the way to being free to live our lives without the eggshell-walking, gaslighting, manipulation, guilt-tripping, stonewalling, PROJECTION (oh the projection!!) and other insidious behaviours.

OP posts:
peachgreen · 01/10/2021 11:51

I am so relieved to read that you're out now, OP. Well done. And best of luck to you and your girls for your future.

Hen2018 · 01/10/2021 11:52

I stayed with my ex husband 4 years longer than I should have. The last 2 years were ridiculous.

Well done on getting out and seeking out all the different services for your children.

Ifyoudontlikeitdosomethingelse · 01/10/2021 11:53

Wow, what an update OP.

Make sure you get therapy yourself. Work through the guilt and learn to be strong again.

I'm glad you're finally out of it. Good luck.

lovemelongtime · 01/10/2021 11:58

I hate the way everyone wades in with LTB - so predictable. Its not that easy and I know how hard the "big Freeze" is to handle.

When he is open to communication then you do need to get him to see how his behaviour is wrong and I agree that a firm mandate to attend anger management is needed to show him and your DD this is serious. Sending you a big hand hold as it is horrible. Things just arent so black and white in real life to walk away just like that.

lovemelongtime · 01/10/2021 11:59

Sorry just saw your update !

PhoboPhobia · 01/10/2021 11:59

So glad to read your update @Havetonamechangeforthisone It must have been a long and difficult time and still is I'm sure.

Good for you and I hope you continue to carve out a new and happy life for you and your girls.

Greenmarmalade · 01/10/2021 12:02

@lovemelongtime please do check OP’s name change and update. She has LTB

MzHz · 01/10/2021 12:06

Well done- please don’t berate yourself, you’re out, you did what you could when you could and your children will recover over time. They really will.

Many women never get out, you did. I’m so proud to hear you did this. Keep strong and all the success in the world to you and yours Flowers

fumfspos · 01/10/2021 12:06

Thank goodness you left him.
I didn't see your original OP three years ago but if I had I would have said LTB too like so many others do.
However, it's easy for us sitting behind a screen to type LTB and so hard for the person writing the post to actually do it.
I had similar with my ex and posted several times over 5 years under different names on Mumsnet - I was always told to LTB and just couldn't do it.
Eventually I did manage to get shot of him but it's taken me 3 years to recover.

I am so glad you have finally managed to do this though and hope that you have a good solicitor to help you with a divorce. Can you change the locks (I don't know the law) to stop him coming into the house and removing things?
It's good that your daughters have mental health support and treatment in place already. My neighbour had a similar problem which went on for years - the last straw for her was when the ex-husband hit their youngest daughter who was 16 at the time. Before that there'd been similar incidents and behaviour to the ones you describe here. It took the hitting for her to throw him out. The daughter received counselling and now, three years on, she's doing very well indeed and went to university to study law and she's loving it.

Ninkanink · 01/10/2021 12:10

🌷🌷🌷 well done for finding the strength, and all the best to you and your children.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2021 12:11

Flowers Love to you and your DDs, OP. I'm so sorry for what you suffered.

Tubs11 · 01/10/2021 12:12

He needs anger management classes for a start! Whether or not you leave him depends on the frequency of the outbursts, if you feel he could become violent and if there's more to his anger then meets the eye.

FangsForTheMemory · 01/10/2021 12:12

@lovemelongtime So much for your trite little homily, eh?

OP, very glad to hear you’ve got out.

Tubs11 · 01/10/2021 12:14

Ah! I see you left him. Good luck to you and your family OP

Pinkbonbon · 01/10/2021 12:26

@Tubs11

He needs anger management classes for a start! Whether or not you leave him depends on the frequency of the outbursts, if you feel he could become violent and if there's more to his anger then meets the eye.
He is not angry, he is abusive.

She asked him if he meant what he said says later and he said 'yes'. And after a three day sulk too! That's not anger.

Anyway, op has left him now. But just pointing this out because other ppl in the sane situation may be reading this.

There is no excuse to behave like him anyway. Abs his behaviour that one time should have been instant game over. Not bloody marriage counciling.

Carandi · 01/10/2021 12:27

My DDs are 20 and 22 and both still live at home. Both nice kids, not mouthy or disrespectful. My husband would sometimes say to them "the sooner you fuck off out of here the better". So they did. And so did I. We left at the beginning of September and we now rent a place and it's so much more peaceful not having to walk on eggshells or deal with his bad moods. I'd recommend getting out asap. No child, whatever their age, should be called such vile names by a parent.

Carandi · 01/10/2021 12:28

Sorry, only just seen your update above. So glad you got out OP.

KeepPortlandWeird · 01/10/2021 12:39

You all need to have a family group chat together, so that he can hopefully explain and apologise, and your daughter can unlearn what she’s witnessed. Communication is key.

Your 14 year old will remember her father called her that word, and she will remember that you did nothing.

She might even accept his behaviour from her future boyfriends, and learn to ignore it like you did.

My 14 year old remembers her birth dad hitting me and she was only 3.

KeepPortlandWeird · 01/10/2021 12:41

Oh it’s been updated, didn’t see that. Why are so many zombie threads being resurrected lately?

JamieNorthlife · 01/10/2021 12:43

@KeepPortlandWeird

You all need to have a family group chat together, so that he can hopefully explain and apologise, and your daughter can unlearn what she’s witnessed. Communication is key.

Your 14 year old will remember her father called her that word, and she will remember that you did nothing.

She might even accept his behaviour from her future boyfriends, and learn to ignore it like you did.

My 14 year old remembers her birth dad hitting me and she was only 3.

Op posted an update. Please check it.
HollyandIvyandAllThingsYule · 01/10/2021 12:43

In this case it’s been resurrected because OP quite rightly decided to post an update...

GremlinDolphin4 · 01/10/2021 12:45

Dear OP, hope you and your dd are ok.

From bitter experience, this will not get better, I was in what sounds like a similar situation and left it too long but finally ended up calling the police after an extreme incident.

My dcs won’t forget and have been impacted by this but we are ok and together. Wishing you much loveand strength. Xx