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Do your DHs ever hit your teenagers?

184 replies

Wecanbuttry · 01/11/2018 14:33

My DH is generally quiet and reasonable but can be prone to argumentative and aggressive behavior, particularly when he's had a drink. We have two teenage girls, oldest is 15. Everything is good in our lives, we are very lucky. But recently DH slapped our eldest on the face when he was drunk and she was being what he'd regard as disrespectful. She slapped him back, my youngest told him to stop by which time I was in the room. In the past I have known my DH to be verbally nasty, not in what is said, but in tone and he has grabbed their wrists firmly in the past. I've always told him i wold leave him if he ever hit the kids and I've always told the kids they should never tolerate any abuse from anyone. DH is remorseful. Should I insist on him getting help? Had this happened to anyone else and did getting help work? Should I be worried?

OP posts:
Renarde1975 · 01/11/2018 20:19

Bluntness I hear you but it could also be that the OP was physically intimidated by the spouse and not actually assaulted.

Either way, for the OP this will be a precipse moment.

TheWiseWomansFear · 01/11/2018 21:52

I don't think I would leave tbh, but I would kick him out until he was really really remorseful and agreed to (and followed thorough) in seeing a professional for anger management, apologising to your daughter and not drinking for a set amount of time. If he broke any condition I would tell him to leave again.
Also, speak to your daughter properly and discuss her feelings about it (both children actually).

headinhands · 01/11/2018 22:07

Op imagine your daughter is an adult and tells you her partner slapped her when he was drunk? You'd suggest she stay with him and support him to get help for his anger?

If you don't act now then you are telling your girls that it's okay for their partners to slap them when they're drunk 🙁

BeerAndBassGuitars · 02/11/2018 06:16

Which tells me you don’t fully understand the psychology of someone who is abused. It’s not as straightforward as it might seem

I know full well what it's like to be the child who is hit and the teen who is hit.

I know what it's like to be the person walking on eggshells at home - afraid to trigger their dad's violence.

I know what it's like to be the person to give up doing that because it made no difference anyway.

I know what it's like to be scared and in pain and to try and hide from your own parent.

I know what it feels like to be 40something and still be affected by it.

I also know what it's like to ask your mother why she never stopped it and why it never bothered her and be told that it did bother her and did I not notice how she left the room everytime it happened so that she didn't have to see or hear it.

I know what it's like to be told shopping in nice supermarkets, living in a nice house and going on holiday 3 times a year was more important than your safety and security.

I know what it's like for the same reasons and the same fears to not matter one jot when it was her he hurt. Not physically but he had an affair and she kicked him out immediately. And she changed her supermarket, but she still lived in the same house and she still had 3 holidays a year...

Everyone has their line in the sand.

Having spoken to women who work in refuges, it seems to be a common theme that women will take years of being abused themselves and that it is when the violence is directed towards their children that they finally act. Obviously not in all cases - that was the lightbulb moment for me as a teenager the first time I was told that by someone who worked in a refuge.

The day my mother told me she had always left the room so that she didn't have to see or hear it, nearly 7 years ago, was the last time I saw or spoke to her. She and my dad (she because she was emotionally abusive generally too and that carried on long after the physical abuse from my dad stopped) severely negatively impacted upon my life. There isn't a part of my life that isn't affected by the violence and lack of care and love I experienced growing up - the way it informed my sense of self and worth; my confidence; self belief... I have lived through many experiences that just wouldn't have happened had I believed I was a worthwhile person deserving of better than that. My parents did that to me.

Every day I wake up scared and fearful. I worry about getting into trouble constantly. I can't answer the door/phone or take risks at work, for example, because the anxiety related to "being in trouble" or facing an unpredictable "telling off" - having to deal with something exploding emotionally, unexpectedly is too great. I can't have relationships because I don't trust. I didn't really understand until I was in my 30s that violence wasn't a part of a loving relationship. I've ended relationships because I wasn't hit because I didn't understand how someone could love me if they weren't so concerned about me that they hit me to make me do what they wanted. I don't believe I'm capable of being loved. I don't believe I'm worthy of it.

So you can go on understanding the psychology of women who allow men to be violently abusive towards their children - that's fine. I'll reserve my sympathy for the children who spend the rest of their lives living with the consequences of it.

accendo · 02/11/2018 06:33

Absolutely not, how traumatic and degrading for the children.

Alfie190 · 02/11/2018 06:50

I had an upbringing similar to BeerandBassGuitars. A father who was violent particularly after a few drinks. I was reading the thread and thinking wow do some mothers really do that for their children (I am not a mother myself) as my mother only intervened once in my whole life, I was 21 at the time when he tried to beat the hell out of me. She sill didn’t leave him though.

I came to terms with it and I have forgiven my parents, but I am 48 now and I will never forget.

HisBetterHalf · 02/11/2018 07:57

OP how did you react when he did this to your daughter?

PookieDo · 02/11/2018 08:11

@BeerAndBassGuitars @Alfie190

I think there is definitely something in this situation no other adult will ever really understand when your mother walks away to not see or minimises it. I understand that a woman may be afraid of the man who hits her child but at what point does it become collusion of a kind? The unforgivable kind that us 3 have experienced. I don’t question my father on his actions because he is a horrible man. I question the mother who claims she loves me and ‘tried to protect me’.... by keeping me in the same house. I once begged my mum to make him leave, I was about 10. He only left when he had an affair and she was devastated and guess who had to pick up the pieces? Me.

You know he’s drunk. You can see his face is angry. You know he could explode any moment. You warn your daughters to avoid him tonight. He’s looking for someone to fight with, to let his anger out. 15yo DD gets in his way. You are partly angry at her - you warned her after all. Hes remorseful the next day. You can’t tell anyone what’s happened. You put it back under the carpet

I left home at 19 to live with a violent bully of my own. I left him when I realised he was going to bully the DC (they were very little). I have struggled with drinking too much all my teenage life - I wanted to escape. I couldn’t focus on school and got bad exam results. I wanted to be loved so slept with older boys. Went to parties, stayed out all night, ran away from home many times. No one helped me. And I do resent my mother for it

siakcaci · 02/11/2018 08:12

beer

Etino · 02/11/2018 08:16

I think l the OP has left.
There’s a massive gap between all the answers and what women actually do.
The responses are unanimous, and understandably so. And yet women do not leave after one incident.
The support we offer here hasnt helped in this incidence.

Bluntness100 · 02/11/2018 08:18

I think the op left immediately as she didn't like the responses

Etino · 02/11/2018 08:18

Thank you for the posters who shared about growing up with a violent father.
I’m so sorry for what you lived through.
Flowers

Joysmum · 02/11/2018 08:19

The support we offer here hasnt helped in this incidence

It hasn’t immediately helped the OP. That’s not to say fit hasn’t set her closer on the path to being in the right place to leave, not to mention helping the resolve of the countless other lurkers who will be reading this Smile

Parky04 · 02/11/2018 08:29

Have never laid a finger on my two sons. My job is to love and protect them not to beat or verbally abuse them!

siakcaci · 02/11/2018 08:35

And yet women do not leave after one incident.

It isn't just one incident though.

The support we offer here hasnt helped in this incidence.

Sadly you are probably right. This is how abusers work. Only from the outside can we all see how awfully wrong the situation is. Even if it hasn't helped the OP, I do wonder if maybe someone has read it and thought, my situation isn't right?

siakcaci · 02/11/2018 08:35

beer

flowers

Sorry the emoji didn't show up!

Thank you for your brave and honest post

SPR1107 · 02/11/2018 08:49

I've not read all the posts, but I know there'll be some views from all extremities.

My dad slapped me round the face when I was a teenager... I was gobbing off, he was having a horrendous time at work, which as a teenager I wasn't privy to, and a house full of ongoing renovations.. it was just a bit of a stressful time.

He felt horrendous, he had never hit me prior to this, and never did again either.

I think it would be extreme to leave in this first instance personally. But I would set some more ground rules.. such as he no longer drinks if the children are around, or at home at all if necessary.

I would also ensure he takes the DD in question out, and makes it very clear to her that he's sorry, and reassure her that it won't happen again.

Even after that incident, I've never been frightened of my dad, I knew it was situational, and a one off. I've also never doubted my dad loves and cares for me. And I would never say he abused me, he lost his temper.. it was wrong, but it happens. To me, it's if it's repeated more than once that it's an issue.

I know many people will disagree with my views, and I know many people will have horrendous experiences, but that's mine.

If everything else as a family is good, and relationships between you all are good.. you could end up causing more damage psychologically to everyone then it's worth.

Sorry if that's controversial. Hope you manage to find a resolution that suits you all

TooTrueToBeGood · 02/11/2018 09:33

The support we offer here hasnt helped in this incidence.

The OP wasn't looking for constructive, meaningful help. She isn't ready for it yet which is a shame but part of the journey abuse victims have to travel. Yes, she got a rough ride and didn't hear what she wanted but what she wanted was for people to tell her it was alright for her to do nothing. How would that have helped her, or more importantly her children, in the long run?

TooTrueToBeGood · 02/11/2018 09:39

He felt horrendous, he had never hit me prior to this, and never did again either.

So your experience is not comparable to the OP's or her children. I'd go so far as to say not remotely comparable because whilst once is once to often is it not remotely comparable with sustained abuse in terms of impact to the victim(s).

If everything else as a family is good, and relationships between you all are good.

Despite her protestations, they are very clearly not in the OP's case.

PookieDo · 02/11/2018 09:41

If it helps one other person even if it’s not the OP it wasn’t a waste of time

To the above PP who got gobby and a slap - I do see your POV. I cannot imagine slapping my daughter but things can escalate and there is sometimes a chance for redemption. But this is clearly not what the OP was about. You can read between the layers in the OP that this is not really the first instance, it’s just the worst one so far.

Cambalamb · 02/11/2018 17:29

I agree with SPR .Some very dramatic people on here looking at this through their own lenses.

siakcaci · 02/11/2018 17:43

Some very dramatic people on here looking at this through their own lenses

Indeed. And OP should take note, before those lenses become those of her children.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 02/11/2018 17:51

I would role model appropriate behaviour. Which is reporting your DH to the police

Cambalamb · 02/11/2018 17:55

OP only you know how your DH really is. Be honest with yourself, talk to him and your DDs to resolve this, perhaps seek help if you and they think it is more than a one off and move forward,I advise you to remove this thread.