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New bf may be a socipath?

166 replies

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

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NotTheFordType · 29/10/2018 11:24

Myself and my son would tick a lot of these boxes.

I'd put us both in the "cautious" boxes.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 11:33

Thanks for your reply. There is a tendency to 'pathologies' people but I've never heard someone say that they literally feel nothing. He seems to think it's the result of his childhood, which was not very loving or affirming. His parents made it clear that he was not a wanted baby and ignored him over his sister.

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Mrskeats · 29/10/2018 11:36

I had a partner whose previous partner stabbed him so I hope it’s not the same guy.
His behaviour got worse.
It didn’t end well. I would walk away.

AssassinatedBeauty · 29/10/2018 11:36

This all sounds very intense and dramatic, not sure I could be doing with all of that introspection and analysis at the start of a relationship.

I don't know about red flags, but it would be enough to put me off I think. There is a lot of pressure in this idea that you are the only person that makes him feel anything. That alone is concerning.

BrainWormsWontWin · 29/10/2018 11:40

Traumatised people often disassociate and don't feel things. So if he was abused or neglected that might explain it. Complete armchair diagnosis mind but I suffer from CPTSD and have disassociated massively in the past, only feeling with my kids because I know their love is safe. Now it's with my boyfriend too because the same. I'm actually very emotional, but had it kind of beaten out of me. It is back now but it's been hard. Obviously this might not be him but if his actions are loving and compassionate I'd not judge too harshly.

WhyAreWeddingsSoAwks · 29/10/2018 11:43

The fact he has cried in front of you is completely at odds with the idea that he is less “feeling” than the average man in a way that would leave you concerned.

Santaclarita · 29/10/2018 11:47

I don't think sociopath to be honest with that. Traumatised yes, shut down yes, maybe depressed. Sociopaths don't really feel anything, for anyone. So if he is telling the truth there, I would say not sociopath.

However sociopaths are fantastic liars. He could just be lying about all of this to get you to feel sorry for him. Combined with the love bombing is a dangerous combination.

He needs a psychologist basically. Only they can determine which it is.

GraceMarks · 29/10/2018 11:52

If the things that have got you worried are more words than actions, I would hold off on "diagnosing" him with anything extreme or on ending things purely because of this.

However, what is worrying to me is that he appears to be making you alone responsible for his happiness. He's saying that you're the only one he feels anything with, which could be seen as something of a "you can't ever leave me" guilt-trip admission. Does he say these things with that sort of subtext?

You say he's estranged from his parents but does he have any other family or friends who he sees other than you? You don't want to become the only person in his life - it's not healthy if he doesn't have any other life outside of your relationship.

Allalittlebitshit2019 · 29/10/2018 11:56

He may have some sort of personality disorder, take a look at the symptoms on the nhs website.
I've got to be honest and say i would run a mile, for a start its just too complected for me.

Poudrenez · 29/10/2018 11:57

Hi Op, the issues that you've flagged don't concern me so much, he sounds relatively self-aware even. But the love bombing does, in my experience this is always a red flag - it seems to either mean that a person is compensating for a lack of genuine feeling, or they are controlling.

FissionChips · 29/10/2018 11:58

Seems like a common garden navel gazer to me, likes to think there’s something special or different about himself.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/10/2018 12:05

Trust your gut. Red flags mean move on.

Livingloving · 29/10/2018 12:11

Based on what he says about being unfeeling etc, I would be worried about the way he is treating you now as it could be acting rather than genuine?

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 12:15

I think that's what set me off. When I met him my impression was that he was sensitive, caring and generous and not to say he isn't but if he is now saying that he doesn't really feel emotions, I wonder how authentic that was and it's left me somewhat confused

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:16

How old is he? He just sounds like a typical navel gazing man. Does he feel superior or give the impression that he views himself as special?

HeavensNoHellYeah · 29/10/2018 12:16

How long have you been seeing him? Tbh this could be depression. Not necessarily sociopath/personality disorder.

My boyfriend has a personality disorder and can come across as a sociopath at times. Some of the things youve wrote resonate in my head, but thats part of the good side. If he really is as serious as a sociopath or personality disorder it will get a lot worse. Not necessarily violent, mine isnt violent at all. But mentally it can ruin you.

They are experts on projection to the point my psychiatrist told me what was wrong based on his effect on me. Be prepared to lose friends, sometimes a good thing sometimes not. Be prepared to be made to look mental and uncaring, to be criticised and devalued and at times discarded. If he isn't doing this stuff id guess depression.

cestlavielife · 29/10/2018 12:18

..... Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour. ....

Sounds worrying
What was the girlfriend s story?
There is violence in his past
Go to police and ask for a check/disclosure under Sarah(?) Law

cestlavielife · 29/10/2018 12:19

And has he has therapy for his childhood ?

nicenewdusters · 29/10/2018 12:23

Do you really want your life to be this complicated ? You cannot be everything to another person, and you cannot rescue them either.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:23

Yes, the stabbing thing would be a massive red flag. I think it's Clare's law you'd need to apply under, though it could be Sarah's law?

UpstartCrow · 29/10/2018 12:25

Check out items 4 and 9 on this list;
www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

Love bombing is used to lower your guard and control you.
You haven't mentioned his friends or family, or how yours react to him. Do you have a large family or circle of firends? Sociopaths tend to target people who don't, then work to isolate you.

Powerless · 29/10/2018 12:26

@SheBangsit Hang on, someone being a victim of a stabbing is a red flag?

53rdWay · 29/10/2018 12:27

Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me.

You’re so special! You’re the only person who can help him negotiate a path for his life through the trauma of his childhood, and you won’t complain if he’s distant or ubaffectionate because you understand him, unlike that evil ex. Who stabbed him. Just in case you were going to think “hmmm maybe she had a point about him being frustratingly distant and detached,” well now you can’t, she stabbed him. Unlike you, perfect girlfriend and his only link to humanity, where would he be without you?

I don’t know if he’s a sociopath or not but he’s certainly very adept at spinning you a line.

Villanellesproudmum · 29/10/2018 12:28

Sounds all OTT, why would you have a sad lingering connection to a TV advert?!

Anyway you sound a bit intense, the stabbing if it happened is a concern though.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:30

It's a red flag to me because it's his version of events ONLY. Of course if she randomly stabbed him, of course he is a victim, but I'm just not so easily convinced that it was an entirely one-way thing.