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New bf may be a socipath?

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

OP posts:
BaronessBomburst · 29/10/2018 15:30

Does pot make you more in tune with your emotions?
No.
It fucks with your head and makes you paranoid.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2018 15:34

Sorry OP but I'd run a mile - from you. This sort of analysing isn't normal in my book and unless you are qualified to diagnose, not helpful to label people.

Lots of people would probably exhibit some, most or all of those 'characteristics' you describe. Doesn't make them sociopaths or any other label.

Ultimately you can make the decision for yourself; be in the relationship, don't be in it. I'm not going to join in the armchair diagnosing of somebody who you profess to have fallen for but are picking apart. Let's hope nobody does the same to you.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/10/2018 15:36

The previous mention of a link between pot and mental illness may have been misunderstood, imho. Pot is very very much stronger now than it was twenty or more years ago. The reality is that pot can cause mental illness, not just mask a present condition. It can and will change the way one’s brain functions, and no, not for the better.

What do you want? A casual friend to share companionship on an intermittent basis. No enmeshment, no commitment, no rescuing him. Imho, this is what you have here. Have some fun, but don’t make it exclusive. Fwb? Not something I would recommend to anyone because it is an emotional minefield. But with a pot head- you are on your own emotional anyway.

Otherwise, a pothead will be a millstone around your neck. Do you earn? He will quit his job and slowly suck out your resources to subsidize his lifestyle. (And how does he manage a chef’s schedule with smoking dope? ...that should be the last kind of bloke restaurants would want in their kitchens, imho.)

Do you want kids? at the risk of this chemical addiction on conception (I may be way off base but there must be some risks to a baby). And then, well, he’ll be figuring the order of the universe while you are left to do 100% of the parenting. Even if he wanted to help, it would be a risk to a child to be left with someone stoned (let alone having this stuff in a child’s environment).

I am a Yank, and I’m not sure what that has to do with it. Perhaps the dope coming from South America is stronger than what is available in Europe.

Just, no, Yelena. The first whiff of drugs, including pot...run. That should be a hard, zero tolerance boundary for everyone.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:37

Lying I am not picking him apart, but bringing up things he has said/done that raised concerns to me. I don't think it is unhealthy to do that. After all, love is blind, and sometimes you need your wits about you. I am definitely not perfect. I have anxious tendencies and my own issues of course, but I am also very self-aware and trying to work on myself as well. My post isn't intended to be nasty, but more trying to understand behaviours that have given me alarm bells.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:43

AndTheBandPlayedOn

For me personally, I don't think weed use needs to be a hard no. I do know people who genuinely are very infrequent users, in the same way that you might occasionally have a glass of wine, and I think we have to keep a sense of perspective that there is a spectrum in terms of use. There is a huge difference between a pothead and someone who has a spliff twice a year or something, but generally yes drug use is a no for me, especially as I don't do it myself.

My comments re American weed was that my understanding is stuff on our side of the pond is stronger/more likely to be messed with, which I imagine would lead to more mental illness as a result.

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indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:43

A chef for only a year? If he has a patchy work history at his age, and these issues, then just be very, very careful. Even lovely people can turn out to be emotionally disturbed, and emotionally disturbed people can be lovely sometimes. But it hurrrrrrrrrrts and it destroys.

If you want children, then protect these precious years ahead of you. Cold, distant unempathetic people make terrible fathers. He has warned you. What will will feel when he hurts your child (intentionally or not) when you had warning that this is what he is like. The poor innocent child :( You have to think of these things Yelena if it makes it clearer what you need to do.

Yes andTheBandPlayedOn that is what I was getting at with the pot. It is smoked for a reason, but also exacerbates/causes mental health issues.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:44

Also re kitchen staff, apparently drug use is quite common among them as it's a high stress/high pressure job. Apparently off the charts amongst those who work in the media too.

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/10/2018 15:44

Massive x posts.
The thing is: alarm bells and red flags do not need to be validated by intricate dissertations. You do not need to know Why. You do not need to have the vocabulary to explain it. You have the gut feeling- that is all you need.

“This relationship isn’t working for me”
Don’t complain, don’t explain.
Then, you can always follow up with “it’s not you, it’s me” and be done.

Just drop the rope.
His circus, his monkeys...don’t become one of his monkeys. Because you will be walking on eggshells all around his emotional landscape, however barren he claims it to be.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:46

Hi Indie I am not sure that I want children, but I do understand your point about needing to keep this in mind especially around a man who claims not to feel.

Sometimes when you first meet someone, it takes a while for the little things to pile up. I don't know that his whole work history has been patchy, just that this role he has done for a year.

It is such a shame that some of the most lovely people can be some of the most dysfunctional. It's that thing of seeing the potential of a person, rather than the complete reality of what they are right now.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:47

andthebandplays

I get your point, but I just don't feel ready to yet. Part of what helps me is this ruminating - it starts to make things clearer to me. I have never been a cut and run person. I take a bit of time to warm up to it, it makes it easier for me to process.

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/10/2018 15:50

At 32 going on 33 he should have made the executive decision for his life, quality of life, to step away from it. Don’t most people (that use it) draw the line at the end of university days- 22/23 years old? You know, grow up, be an adult.

My dsister was a nurse in a nursing home and had many 35/40 year old patients with their brains fried from drugs- pot included.

I’ll repeat myself- hard boundary, zero tolerance. His reasons are irrelevant to your decision that will have such a huge impact on your life.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2018 15:51

Yelena, What's the point though? If he/his behaviour is causing you this much concern at this point, why persevere? You're not going to change him however much navel-gazing you do. When I read through your first post and your list of faults, I wondered how you'd know if you'd missed any - or misinterpreted something as minor when it's major?

Are you some sort of 'fixer' or 'saviour'? He sounds like somebody to whom some drastic things have happened but it's not the role of a partner to fix them and perhaps they can't even if they tried.

If you were my mate, I'd be suggesting to you that you stop analysing and start listening to your gut. The gut needs no qualifications and I think it's rarely wrong.

Powerless · 29/10/2018 15:57

@SheBangsit to prove just how unfeeling and distant he is! In that sense, I would say that he has an over inflated ego.

Wow! You've really jumped to some crazy conclusions today haven't you?!

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/10/2018 15:59

Sometimes “cut and run” is what you need to do though. Put into your set of life skills. Wink

If you need this exercise- it is your time. It is academic. You are wasting your time.

indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:59

Understanding is great to a point. But ruminating is not helpful or healthy. It is a symptom of anxiety that takes a healthy process of working stuff out and warps it into what stops us from moving on. It is mental quicksand. This is something that you need to work on for yourself.

Humans re all full of potential but hear what he tells you about his. He is what he is, not what he might be. You can make your own decisions for your own outcomes.

Take some time out before making a hard decision if you must. But be busy with other things and have a break from him for a bit. Find other meaningful passions and see where it takes you.

cestlavielife · 29/10/2018 16:25

You don't do dope.

That' s a massive incompatibility
You don't share the same "hobbies"/life style
And that s a big life style....

So what did you do on holiday while he was smoking?

Lilbear14 · 29/10/2018 17:10

If he's addicted to pot/drugs whatever he is on. The chances are you will always come second to that.
I may have missed it, but if it's something he's used before and during past relationships, this could be one big factor to the breakdowns.
I've watched people and relationships be completely destroyed by addiction, some who wernt even the ones with the addiction.

Addicts are also very good at hiding the addiction, and are often in denial.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be involved with someone who is taking drugs, that alone would make me stay clear.

TheWiseWomansFear · 29/10/2018 17:14

I agree with @FissionChips it sounds like he just wants to be different... think teenagers saying they're psychopaths go try and seem different because they think they're unique

No a good sign either way

lolaflores · 29/10/2018 17:20

Yes lay out what you're like but to create an image of an automaton that only you can save?
This is going to sound unkind, but it isn't meant to be....do you like to save men?
Do you want to the woman who mends him?
You can't ignore what you bring to this.

YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 11:48

cestlavielife

We actually do have quite a lot in common. We both like travel, animals, wildlife conservation, camping, same TV shows and films, being active. We were together the whole holiday doing exactly the above...camping, road tripping, exploring.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 11:50

Lilbear14

I'm cautious about assuming he is addicted to drugs, as the only time he has used every day is when we were on holiday, and not before or since. I am not saying that to brush off any issues, just acknowledging that use of a substance is a spectrum. Some people do use casually and others are addicts. It's similar I think to someone having a drink every day on their holidays but not drinking for the rest of the year. I'll keep my eyes open to this but I'm also not assuming he is a complete addict as I've not seen signs of that beyond the holiday use.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 11:52

AndTheBandPlayedOn

Thanks for your post. For me, this post is about making more sense of things before I talk to him. I am the sort of person who does take a bit more time to come to decisions, hence the need for posting. I also want to talk to him, rather than just get rid. It does seem common advice for people to say 'just break up' which can be good advice, but sometimes to me feels like black and white thinking. I think it is okay to have doubts and be unsure and not act straight away, it's just my way of figuring out my own thoughts/feelings as well as my read of the situation.

I still do appreciate everyone's opinions, advice and posts.

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Ragwort · 30/10/2018 12:00

How do you have the time to analyse your relationship in such detail Hmm? Sounds like the sort of thing I would indulge myself in when I was at university doing a course that only involved a couple of hours a week study. Honestly, you sound as bad as each other, don't you have a job to go to? Housework? Hobbies? Friends and family? Exercise classes? Shopping? Volunteering?

I couldn't stand the over analysing, hand wringing and constant thinking (no relationship is worth it if it is clearly such hard work) .... just move on and get a life.

Renarde1975 · 30/10/2018 12:05

Hey OP. I think there are some posters on this thread who are being unnecessarily harsh with you. I can see you are asking reasonable questions and also giving balanced answers.

I struggled with this one. It's because he is labelling himself as one. The BF may well be mistaken and for a while I thought that too. I get to pretty much the end of the thread and see this from you

We actually do have quite a lot in common. We both like travel, animals, wildlife conservation, camping, same TV shows and films, being active. We were together the whole holiday doing exactly the above...camping, road tripping, exploring.

I believe this to be 'mirroring'. Too many things in common are always alarm bells for me. No one is ever that perfect.

So when he's saying he is a SP then believe him. The fact that he can articulate it sounds to me as if he is self-aware or high functioning. One. The reason he has told you is that he is gauging your response; it's a test.

Believe me; you don't want to be in a relationship with one that's self-aware.

PinkHeart5914 · 30/10/2018 12:06

If his previous partner stabbed him Shock it’s no wonder his a bit weird, imagine what that must do to you emotionally!

Anyhow who has time to over analyse every hing about a relationship? That’s not normal behaviour imo

If you don’t want to be with him then you don’t have to, your free to end it