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New bf may be a socipath?

166 replies

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:31

Of course, maybe she was just a deranged violent lunatic herself, but to be stabbed because you're distant doesn't sound terribly believable to me.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:33

Incidentally, has he got a stab wound?

Lilbear14 · 29/10/2018 12:36

Biggest flag for me is the past girlfriend stabbing him, I'd be asking so many questions. Mainly why? She may have just been a bad egg, but it also may have been in defence.

Don't try save someone and lose yourself in the process. It's draining. My ex always claimed he struggled to Love or feel love for people, it was his excuse for cheating. Probably the same he's using for cheating on his current partner too. He constantly used it as an excuse for his shite behaviour. Like yours he was so sweet at first, did everything right. I was even "the one" and he had "never felt like this with anyone else" I eventually became isolated, he cheated, he hit me and so on.
Turned out to be the biggest regret of my life so far.

Ellisandra · 29/10/2018 12:37

I don’t know about sociopath, but I’d file him under “dull” and move on 🤷🏻‍♀️

You’ve had all these “emotion” chats with a new boyfriend already? Weird over sharing.

Ellisandra · 29/10/2018 12:37

And YY to PP re navel gazing. As I said - dull!

ContessaGoesMarchingDOWNTOHELL · 29/10/2018 12:40

If mentally disturbed person #1 stabs mentally disturbed person #2, it does not necessarily mean that person #2 is faultless.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:41

To sum up, it sounds to me that he views his distance and lack of feeling as something to be proud of. He even has the scars (or has he?) to prove just how unfeeling and distant he is! In that sense, I would say that he has an over inflated ego. That would put me off him.

justilou1 · 29/10/2018 12:41

Honestly? I wouldn’t even look before I ran across the road to get away.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:44

Well the OP seems to have flitted off. Probably to feel passionately sad about an advert or something. I'm guessing these are teenagers.

Does he do drugs (dope particularly)? Sounds like the delusional rantings of a doped out 19 year old.

EllenRipley · 29/10/2018 12:44

I don't think anyone but a professional could diagnose sociopathy. It sounds like he's bought into the idea and is using it to lay the groundwork for being selfish and controlling of his relationships. And he's telling you not to expect too much of him. A good level of introspection and self awareness, particularly when it comes to mental health, is no bad thing and neither is being honest about that. But as you say, you now question his authenticity when it comes to love, affection and intimacy. That is potentially damaging for you. And meanwhile he'll be able to opt out of any emotional situations or be 'unable' to provide emotional support when u might need it and bugger off to the woods to do his own thing.
Maybe he is actually depressed, or on the spectrum? Either way he could do with some therapy!

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 12:45

OP, you didn't happen to scream at the Michelangelo did you?

indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 12:47

Definitely beware OP. Take note of what HeavensNo has said. Some of us have experience of similar unfortunately!

It doesn't mean that he is evil and going to be deliberately abusive and is doing a number on you just to draw you in, but I do agree that there is something 'wrong' and you must not under estimate what effects that can have on you.

Lack of empathy and feeling is very likely to mean that he will be 'casually' cruel which feels no less cruel and devastating to the victim, than when someone who does it on purpose. That girlfriend story is a real worry. How will he treat you if you are ill? Will he get bored, or be cold and unsympathetic? If you want children, will he be able to show them proper care and appropriate reactions or will he turn out like his parents?

And as you say, how will you know when he is being authentic or acting? Does he know?

He is telling you who he is. Don't doubt him. It could be caused by trauma, but the diagnosis doesn't matter so much as what he will actually be like in reality. I think he needs to have therapy if he wants to have a serious relationship.

So, I think yes, move on. If you stay with him, you will eventually get to know him much better and have all your answers, but I think there is a very high chance you will find you were right to have your doubts and regret the years it took you to realise fully what you suspect now.

If you do want to give him a chance, you must take it very slowly and get to know his family and friends properly, and don't make any life changing decisions, like moving in with him, for a long time. see how reacts to you saying No. And keep your own life and your own friends etc.

Be careful and don't settle. You deserve to be truly loved

cestlavielife · 29/10/2018 13:02

The stabbing story is just odd . Why tell it?

Unless he has a scar op noticed and asked.

He didn't tell it as a survivor story of a random attack or he was victim.of abusive relationship.
He said it was his fault. That s weird.

I am.telling you I am distant.
Hey it s so bad some one stabbed me.
But you won't stab me will.you.you 're so special.

TheChampagneGalop · 29/10/2018 13:09

Two mumsnetters have both dated a man who told them that he was stabbed by his ex for being distant? This is odd. Does he have a highly visible scar?

chocolatebox1 · 29/10/2018 13:11

I honestly can't begin to explain these behaviours but if I was dealing with this guy I'd run now, I think there's a lot of trouble and turbulence down the line. I'm not liking the ex stabbing him story, it could have happened completely unprovoked, but the number of men who tell stories about "crazy" ex girlfriends is excessive. Maybe he was extremely unlucky but i would say there's more to this.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 13:33

b shebangsit, hi, no I didn't flitter off but am at work and need to periodically check into the convo.

I'm 29 so not a teenager but I am drawn to passion, conversationalists and emotional men. I am a sensitive person and I am drawn to people who are similar usually. I haven't found our conversations too intense at all, as personally those are the sorts of chats I enjoy having.

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Haffiana · 29/10/2018 13:35

OP, it is perfectly possible for someone who feels very little to act and pretend as if he does. It is perfectly possible that he wants you and will do all sorts of 'right' tickbox things to pursue you, without in the slightest considering or caring about the impact on you, or understanding exactly why you respond. You may already be sensing this.

However it is simply impossible that if he feels very little, that he will be able to keep up the behaviour. So yes, distance is probably on the cards for you. You can read about people coping and suffering with a very similar (but not necessarily the exact same) dynamic here.

I also agree with pps that he may have some sort of dissociative disorder, but in a way it doesn't matter what exactly is wrong with him, only what he does about it.

Can you ask him if he would agree to see a mental health professional if you, his partner, asked him to? In the event that you felt that this would be necessary for your relationship going forward? -Because it clearly is not an issue for him, but like other pps, I get the impression that you are being inadvertently 'groomed' to fit your future self around his abnormality.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 13:37

bindieshuffle

Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate your message. It was lovely and kind and what I needed to hear. It is difficult when someone tells you that you are special, beautiful, important etc and then says 'I don't feel much.' It's confusing and hard to wrap your head around.

I think I also believe that all men have a defect or will let me down in some way, so it gets harder and harder to walk away. I like the advice to take things slowly and to get to know him slowly before making up my mind, as I still feel indecisive, but I am finding these responses very helpful and illuminating.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 13:40

bcestlavielife

We were speaking about past relationships. He was previously married for 5 years - they broke up amicably due to falling out of love (married very young.) The girl who stabbed him fell after his divorce. He did not say that she was crazy or speak about her disrespectfully - he just said that she stabbed him and therefore their brief 'thing' ended. All in all, I didn't get a strange vibe from the story, beyond shock that someone would stab him! PS...also in the boat of it being a red flag when men call exes crazy/psychotic etc. He hasn't done this though.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 13:43

Ellisandra
Thanks for your reply. Just curious - what do you consider odd about the over-sharing? I think it's part of forging a connection and conversing with someone. I didn't have any red flags about him sharing stories with me - I'd be more concerned with someone who didn't talk about their past personally.

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Mrskeats · 29/10/2018 13:46

Mine turned out to be involved in a other girlfriend’s death. Seriously it’s never good.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 13:49

Villanellesproudmum

Hi, thanks for your post.

I think the example of a sad TV advert was just that, an example. He met that whilst something sad is happening, he will feel the emotion but there is no lingering emotional response. In life, it is natural for emotions to carry on i.e. you go through a breakup, and the sadness comes in waves. It doesn't (usually) just automatically stop because the words have been said and the break up has happened.

What about me would make you describe me as intense? I don't disagree, but am curious as to what made you think so. I would say I do have intense emotions and am analytical, this is something I do struggle with in relationships as I do enjoy very intense/powerful connections and am almost bored by anything else.

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FissionChips · 29/10/2018 14:06

drawn to passion, conversationalists and emotional men

Drama.

Honestly, do you think someone who is void of emotion would talk about is so much?
He’s playing the “tortured soul” character.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:14

FissionChips

Hi there Fission, do you mean I am drawn to drama? What I am ideally looking for is a man who is passionate about me, exciting and fun, in a mutual and satisfying way, rather than anything abusive/uncomfortable etc.

Well to be fair, we were talking about ourselves and what we are like. I also asked him a few questions to get to know him better, and he gave honest answers so it would seek.

I mean, surely it's not a bad thing for someone to lay out what they are like? Of course, it's caused me some confusion/given me food for thought, but at least he isn't clammed up about what he is.

I also don't feel he is particularly tortured. He seems too distant to be tortured by it. However it is interesting to read your perspective.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:20

GraceMarks

Apologies, he is not estranged from family but not close to them. He said he is not really good at keeping in touch with family/friends, but I think he calls his mum regularly. They live in different states.

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