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New bf may be a socipath?

166 replies

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 12:46

Ragwort

Time has nothing to do with it. I'm 29, work full time, have hobbies etc, but it's not difficult to find time to think, you can do it when doing the washing up, on lunch etc. Besides, I've always over-analysed, it's a trait of mine. Another poster said something about anxiety - perhaps it's an offshoot of that.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 12:48

Renarde1975 Hi, thank you for your kind response. I agree I feel some posters have been a bit harsh and not really sure why tbh but I guess that's the risk you take when you ask for advice only.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 12:49

PinkHeart5914

A lesson I can take from this is that my analysis (generally, not just about this) may be a symptom of deeper anxiety and I can look into that for myself.

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CaptSkippy · 30/10/2018 13:08

If he is worried there is something psychologically wrong with him he should have it checked out. There are official diagnoses for sociopathy. If it something else, such as childhood neglect, he can also get treatment for that. But at least he can then be sure what it is. Autism is also within the realm of possibilities.

YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 13:10

Yes autism did cross my mind too. Really could be any number of things but that was another thought I had.

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CaptSkippy · 30/10/2018 13:44

Definitely encourage him to see a professional about this.

wallyfeatures · 30/10/2018 13:48

If he has issues, which he seems to acknowledge, from his childhood, then it is up to him to get counselling and work on them and sort himself out. It is not your job to fix him. He has been honest with you, and you need to be honest with him.

YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 13:52

wallyfeatures

Thanks wally, you are correct that it is for him to work on him and me to work on me. I have enjoyed trying to get a better understanding of him, but I think it's an important point to come back to. We can support people on their journeys but it is THEIR journey. They must do the work.

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PhilomenaDeathsHeadHawkMoth · 30/10/2018 13:56

Autistic? I don't really understand other people's emotions. I'm not sure if I love anyone.

puzzledlady · 30/10/2018 13:57

He sounds like someone who is a little desperate for attention - look at all these things that have happened to me me me sort of guy, I would be wary, he might be making the whole thing up - or I could be wrong.

YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 14:03

PhilomenaDeathsHeadHawkMoth

Thanks for your input. Yes, autism was my first thought but as he has said twice he sometimes feels like a sociopath it made me wonder. He said something like this also:

'The only reason I don't do bad things is because I believe in God. If I didn't believe in God, I would do anything for the benefit of those I love.'

Sounds a bit psycho until you get to the part where he says it would be FOR those he loves.

All I am clear on is that he doesn't appear to process emotion the way I assume most people do. He definitely has distance from his emotions, whether because of autism or any other neurological difference, past trauma or weed.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 14:06

puzzledlady

Hi puzzled, thanks for your input. Another poster a few pages back raised that as he is American, this could be part of his communication style. I'm a Brit living in America but I've noticed American's (as a generalisation of course) tend to be more talkative about themselves and their life's whereas I tend to wait to be asked the question rather than volunteer information about myself.

As such I wasn't sure if his perceived 'oversharing me me me' was oversharing, or a more American style of communicating, which I am acclimatising to the longer I live here.

He does have a few unusual, drama-fileld stories though. Perhaps that is another red flag, although I must say I do appreciate his honesty in talking about himself and his life. This has been refreshing to me.

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YelenaSabra · 30/10/2018 14:07

puzzled

Also, interesting call on being desperate for attention. I know his childhood was neglectful, so perhaps he does seek attention.

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PhilomenaDeathsHeadHawkMoth · 30/10/2018 14:51

The "me, me, me" could also be autism. I think you'll be fascinated by my life, but I couldn't give a shiny shit about yours. I've learnt to pretend. I'm still not good at reciprocal questions though.

Cuttingthegrass · 30/10/2018 15:23

So if he’s been a chef for a year has he flitted around different jobs?

I agree I think you may find his traits difficult to fit with yours

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 30/10/2018 18:25

How are his relationships with his family?
Has he any good long term friends?
How on earth did he get into a relationship where she stabbed him?
How does he react to stress e.g. if you are very late meeting with him?

I get an odd sense, I wouldn’t want to be with a man like this. I don’t know why exactly.

TheDarkPassenger · 30/10/2018 18:48

You literally just described me before I started taking medication.

I could have murdered someone and not given it a second thought. My therapist thought I was a sociopath, my ex husbands therapist thought I was a sociopath.

Got diagnosed bipolar in the end and seems these numb feelings were just from being so manic and so low most of the time that I couldn’t see past anything. I thought I was invincible.

Has he ever seen a psychotherapist or psychiatrist?

Suddenly feeling emotions was tough for me, and they’re still here today, gone tomorrow sort of thing but sociopathy or antisocial behaviour disorder is very rare and I’ve only met one person diagnosed out of all the people I’ve met since being ill, and it is blatantly obvious that he doesn’t give a flying fuck if you’re okay or if you’ve just been hit by a train. He’s funny though

TheDarkPassenger · 30/10/2018 18:51

That should say anti social personality disorder.

Bloody got ASB on the brain from work

Moffa · 30/10/2018 22:35

Read the Asperger’s thread - lots of your initial red flags feature. I’m married to one & wouldn’t recommend it. But best of luck to you OP Flowers

Lilbear14 · 30/10/2018 23:37

I've just seen your reply to my post, I fully understand that you would not want to jump to the conclusion that he is an addict as there are other things you have pointed out about his behaviour. It is however, something that you should bare in mind, like I said addicts are good as hiding addiction.

Looking at his other behaviours, Would YOU be happy to be around someone like this long term?
Do you see this man as someone you want to take a few risks for and see how it goes?
Do you trust him? Do you believe what he says?

To have so many questions/thoughts about someone in the early days is one red flag in it's self and it is something that could possibly just get worse as the relationship progresses.
I over think aboslutely everything, and everything I do is with caution. I was single for a few years before I met my OH and when dating I always said to myself if I have any doubts walk away, they could range from things mentioned about past relationships or changes of behaviour and it worked because I've found someone who is absolutely wonderful and I've never doubted and he could have been totally missed if I ignored the red flags with people I had dated prior.

aidelmaidel · 30/10/2018 23:49

Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me

This is not healthy. It sets you up to be a savior figure. If you want to leave, you will be taking away his one insight into humanity, weep woe wail, etc. Loving someone is all very well but making them your sole source of anything is not a very loving act. If it's true it's not healthy and if it's a lie it's a scary manipulation. Do be careful.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 31/10/2018 00:34

He's a chef? God, no. Never mind if he's a sociopath, that's a deal breaker right there!
Grin
Seriously though. If someone tells you they are a sociopath, just walk away. Quickly.

Milomonster · 31/10/2018 06:47

Autism/Asperger’s or depression/dissociation. I’ve been through a period of feeling nothing after something traumatic.

YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 06:55

Update re the stabbing story...

So we talked last night and he said that it was a girl he had been dating for around three weeks. They hadn't been intimate yet other than kissing. He broke up the relationship because she was controlling/jealous, apparently accused him of sleeping with someone else because he had a female dorm mate at university. When he broke up with her she stabbed him in the leg. He went to hospital to have it fixed up but didn't report that she had done it.

More questions for me to answer on here but I'll do so once I get to my computer - typing on phone ATM!

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AllSouls · 31/10/2018 07:05

I agree with Ragwort. OP, do you really want to be the sole saviour of a pothead navel-gazer who thinks endless talking about himself is a form of profundity?