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New bf may be a socipath?

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:54

BaronessBomburst
Honestly fascinating to me how many posters called it. I didn't realise pot made people soooooo emotionally muddled up - dead serious.

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indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 14:54

Just catching up OP and wanted to add about being aware of projection.

You seem very emotionally attuned and interested in people, and that depth is also appealing to men who cannot process their own emotions.

Again, not necessarily because they intend to be abusive to you, but because they may consciously or unconsciously recognise that you will do they work that they won't or can't. That you will feel his emotions and work them out for him, even when you aren't meaning to and have no clue what is going on. This is where it can get very messy and damaging for the woman, the effect can be a bit similar to gaslighting. Worth reading about projection and gaslighting in relationships.

And with the on/off demonstrations of love and then the withholding of affection just because he feels like it, it becomes too much. The overall pattern is abusive and destructive whether they mean it to be or not.

You need to think of what you want your life to be like. He is not likely to change, and isn't even saying he wants to.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:56

No, it makes them think they're profound and interesting lol.

So he smoked it daily for the week on holiday. He's a pothead.

He's genuinely not worth even wondering about, because it's the pot talking not him, you actually have zero clue what HE is like as a real person.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:57

indieshuffle

Thanks Indie, yes you've got me in one. I am very emotional, sensitive and interested in people. I like understanding people, and myself. I'm also always working to understand my own emotions. I've been told previously I have poor boundaries, although sometimes I try hard to overcompensate for that - still trying to find a balance.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:58

Indieshuffle - the dude is out of his head on drugs all day long. He hasn't the wherewithal to plan to do anything lol let alone actually follow through on some cunning plan.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:58

SheBangsit

Funny how naïve we can be when we really like someone isn't it?

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that it was his way of letting off steam on holiday, rather than a common thing. I don't really see why he would lie about that, but it is disappointing.

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indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 14:58

Cross posts! Also, do be aware of the links between pot smoking and mental illness. Especially now the stuff is so strong, there is a cause and effect; some people are self medicating other more serious symptoms not just being pretentious prats or lazy bums!

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:00

SheBangsit

She, could you please advise, from your perspective, why a person smokes weed when getting to know someone? Is it a way of trying to be comfortable around people or trying to detach? I'm very curious. I know you can't speak for him here, but I'm nosy about the reasons someone would use it whilst getting to know a person, beyond simply being an addict.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:02

What he needs are the following:

WEED
FOOD
SEX
SOMEONE WHO WILL LISTEN TO HIS AMAZING THOUGHTS

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:02

indieshuffle

Given that he said he had a neglectful childhood and a failed marriage, I wonder if that's what he is medicating. Interesting point about mental illness too....perhaps depression, autism (I know autism isn't a mental illness but it's a different way of processing things.)

I don't think he is a horrible person, not at all, actually he is very kind, but I was surprised someone so kind could feel so emotionally distant, so perhaps there is something he is hiding from. I really don't get the impression that he is a liar, so maybe he is being honest that he simply doesn't really feel.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:04

It would be because they are always smoking it. So, he's not going to be able to not smoke it just to meet you. He's addicted basically.

indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:05

It is great to be compassionate and interested OP, but we have to learn to apply it discerningly!! He sounds like he has done a lot to be liked for too, so it is tricky.

I am not saying it is a cunning plan, I am saying that people can be abusive whether they mean to be or not. This is what we often do not realise until it is too late, but the effect is just as bad. There probably is a lot to like about him, few people are entirely evil. Its is just about realising just how unusual this coldness and distance really is, and how it does not bode well for a truly loving relationship.

Pot smoking can cover up more serious things.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:05

Of course he doesn't feel OP, he's out of his head on drugs all day!

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:08

indieshuffle

Hi Indie, yes for me that is the struggle. He has SO many wonderful qualities and being with him is really fun and rewarding. Obviously I need to think about how to approach this and whether this is the kind of relationship I can be comfortable with or not. Obviously I don't want an emotionally distant partner so I need to be open with him about how I feel about all this and see what I get back. Like I said, take it slowly and lean into what my instincts are telling me. I don't want to make any drastic decisions, but what this thread is helping me to do is understand what I want/need and deserve a bit better, as well as trying to understand him a bit more too (call me crazy but this analysis really helps me when reconciling what to do.)

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:09

SheBangsit

Hi She, is it possible for weed to make people more in touch with emotions? He seems to feel this is the case for him.

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indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:10

I get you OP, I really do. Could have described similar myself. His road will always be complex, and he is not like you. He will expect you are more like him than you are, you will think he is more like you than he is, it is natural. But it will provoke conflict.

He will be cold, cruel and distant when you need him most. It will hurt you more because you know he can be so wonderful, but that he can flick the switch and have no empathy for you is the danger.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:14

indieshuffle

Hi Indie, thanks for your responses and for taking the time to invest in my posts.

This has shed light on certain 'patterns' in my own behaviour.

When I like someone, I invest emotionally very fast, almost to the point of signing my life over to them. This hasn't always worked out badly. I was on the cusp of changing my whole life for him, not because he asked me too, but because I wanted to, as I am not wholly happy with where I am and he makes me happy.

I need to relax, sit with myself and figure out what is right for me, lean in to myself more and see what he comes back with and how that fits for me. Rather than making any knee jerk decisions which I am prone to do, I need to make peace with whatever outcome I might get. I don't need to lose myself in a man, as much as I like him. Shame I do every time though!

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:15

Honey, at the end of the day, all you've been hearing is his pot induced ravings i.e. the ravings of a drug addict. Yes, he will tell you pot makes him more in tune with his emotions, he will tell you pot can make him walk on Mars, as long as you don't question his pot smoking. Every single thing he has told you, take with a pinch of salt. That's the only advice I can give you. I honestly thought I was a fucking genius when smoking that shit. Honestly - I actually thought I was a genius! I'm not kidding here!

indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:18

Also OP, beware that many men have similar stories, and many turn out to have serious issues with anger. Sometimes this is what the pot smoking and numbing behaviours can be about.

It is not just being afraid to love and maybe be hurt, that women tend to be aware of and identify with, and so avoiding those feelings, but is also about not wanting to trigger the anger and rage and other feelings. They are the two sides of the same coin. He probably won't want to acknowledge that though.

Does he have a steady job that he has been in a long time? Does he compartmentalise his life or can he mix up seeing friends and family altogether at any time or place?

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:19

You have no idea how awe inspiring it is to realise your own depth and profundity and sheer genius when you're a genius smoking pot with a bunch of fellow geniuses. Honestly, I was such a misunderstood genius. I was THE MOST misunderstood genius since Donald Trump.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:22

indieshuffle

Thanks for the questions. It's actually very helpful to me!

He has worked as a chef for a year, although he doesn't like it and the job isn't great for him.

I would say he compartmentalises. When he is at work, all he sees is work. I would say work bleeds a little unhealthily into other areas of his life. He likes to be needed/feel important and I think work gives him that. IMO that's common of quite a lot of men.

Very interesting about rage. He says he doesn't really feel anger and even when angry never shouts at someone. Instead he pauses and tries to process what they mean (this is what initially made me think he was on the autism spectrum.)

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:23

SheBangsit

American stuff is stronger too isn't it? shudders

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 15:27

Well I was in Holland, so I was smoking the good stuff... ;)

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 15:28

she

He is also an ex smoker, moved onto vapes, so I guess the addictive tendency is there...

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indieshuffle · 29/10/2018 15:29

It is my pleasure to be of any small help! Sorry for the cross posting.

You are so wise YelensSabra. Take the time to celebrate your wisdom and see what changes you can bring for yourself. I understand that wish to invest in someone and a family, it is a wonderful thing but it does need to be with the right person for your own sake, and for the children you may want to have.

You will get there :)