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New bf may be a socipath?

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

OP posts:
53rdWay · 31/10/2018 07:31

Well, he thinks he’s fascinating and you think he’s fascinating, so I suppose you’ve both got that in common.

Really though you’ll get a lot more from a relationship with someone who’s at least as interested in you as they are in themself.

Villanellesproudmum · 31/10/2018 07:41

Op honestly your reply to me would make me run a mile, maybe you are very different people (maybe I’m also a sociopath) but you analysis everything? That would be very tiresome. I don’t emotionally connect to adverts and have waves of lingering emotion, you have to move on or you’ll drown yourself in negativity. Good luck.

YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 08:05

Villanellesproudmum

Yes, I am very analytical. Not sure if it's also connected to studying Psychology/English/similar subjects. I like something to get my teeth into and analyse. It's very enjoyable to me, however a less pleasant aspect of it is when this quality bleeds over into relationships/other areas of life, hence why I agree that it may be linked to anxiety. I'm interested in pursuing therapy to help with my own anxieties, especially in relationships.

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IrenetheQuaint · 31/10/2018 08:14

OP - I have no idea why you're getting a hard time for analysing people/situations and discussing emotions!

This comment of your boyfriend's does raise a red flag for me, though: 'The only reason I don't do bad things is because I believe in God. If I didn't believe in God, I would do anything for the benefit of those I love.'

It makes him sound as if he has zero moral compass (and quite a weird relationship with his religion). Who wants a partner who would do "bad things" for them, really? It would be horrible.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/10/2018 08:16

Analysing is a lot better than failing to analyse. If you dismiss everything that pops into your head as too much thinking you end up not thinking nearly enough, and that's when you end up with totally the wrong partner, and making changes that are not to your long term advantage.

Be wary, I would say. Anyone can fake adoration for a few weeks or months, as you've already acknowledged. Feeling adored is heady stuff.

The psycho girlfriend story now sounds like something that could have happened to anyone, a short-term fling with someone who turned out to be unhinged. It doesn't quite match up with the way he first described it, though.

Re the weed, the jury's out on whether he's addicted or an occasional indulger, but assuring you the whole catering industry is rife with it sounds like justifying/minimising a regular habit to me. (Admittedly I'm not impartial on this subject as I have a horror of mind-altering substances, barring a modest intake of alcohol, and would be running for the hills at the first sniff!)

I'm glad someone earlier mentioned mirroring, I wondered about that. Maybe the perfect guy really does like everything you do, but realistically it's more likely that you would discover a few things that don't float each other's boat about which you agree to disagree in an adult - or pleasantly childish - manner.

Lastly, as a general rule, discovering how someone became like they are is not the same thing as being able to undo the damage. Mental scar tissue can't just be loved away. And it certainly can't be smoked away.

Plessis · 31/10/2018 08:23

He sounds like a drama queen tbh

YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 08:24

Annie

Thanks for your comments. It's also hard not to be an analyser, if you are one. Perhaps some people just aren't that way so they can't really understand. I have been since childhood and in many areas of my life, it's worked well for me, in some, like relationships, it can be a little difficult, but I think analysing/listening to intuition is a formidable combination and mostly important.

I agree re the girlfriend story. My takeaway was that he has healthy boundaries to recognise that she was controlling/manipulative and chose to end it.

Other comments he made last night....

We were talking about Halloween. I asked what he was most afraid of, he said people.

He also said he is quite cynical about people, which was surprising to me as his first impression was very peppy, light-hearted and sociable, but he said that he thinks most people are quite selfish. He said in his marriage, he used to wake up and make his wife breakfast etc and he only realised when they went to marriage counselling that she never did anything for him back.

He is definitely generous. He has always made me food, made sure I was warm, bought me gifts, in this sense I would say he is in tune with me emotionally because he does CARE for me emotionally, at least it feels that way. But his comments about emotions/feelings seem at odds to the behaviours he displays - there's a disconnect there. Unless he finds it easy to be emotional in a relationship, but beyond that he struggles.

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Plessis · 31/10/2018 08:27

He's a chef? God, no. Never mind if he's a sociopath, that's a deal breaker right there! lol yes

YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 08:28

Plessis

Haha what makes you guys say that re being a chef?

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Plessis · 31/10/2018 08:29

In the nicest possible way OP you sound perfect for each other. He loves talking about himself and you love analysing!

Plessis · 31/10/2018 08:30

I've been out with chefs and they are usually all nutters and with drink or drug issues

YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 08:33

Plessis haha, maybe so!

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YelenaSabra · 31/10/2018 08:34

Plessis

I learnt about chefs through my friend in England's ex boyfriend. He was a (mild) druggie but he said that due to the long hours/high intensity, a lot of kitchen staff were drinkers and users. Then again...it's common in many careers, and of course, not all chefs...

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AllSouls · 31/10/2018 09:26

Yes, I am very analytical. Not sure if it's also connected to studying Psychology/English/similar subjects.

I assure you it's not. I have four degrees in English literature, including a doctorate, and my idea of a good time is not a relationship with a weed-smoking chef who self-diagnoses with sociopathy and hails me as his sole saviour because I'm the only one who cuts through his protective shell of numbness.

YelenaSabra · 03/11/2018 12:25

An update for those who contributed to my post....

Several of you called it - the weed is a bigger deal than I thought. We spoke last night and he told me he has been using it to cope with stress and as an escape.

I'm very sad as I really was falling for him and like him so much, but the writing is on the wa with this one sadly. Thanks for your advice and perception ladies.

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BaronessBomburst · 03/11/2018 17:54

I'm sorry Yelena Flowers

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