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New bf may be a socipath?

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 10:55

Hi all

I have recently been dating a new guy who seems perfect, as they all do at first! (she says rather cynically...)

He is incredibly charismatic, sweet, kind and caring. He is very demonstrative, affectionate and generous in bed. He pursued me pretty hard and I have fallen for him. He said the L word first.

BUT, my brain is ding ding dinging with red flags and I wanted to share my thoughts on the forum.

I know some readers will simply say 'just leave' but I'd really enjoy having a discussion about it, really to make sense of my experience as this helps me to process things and move on.

So the red flags are as follows, please note these have materialised over time and not all at once, and obviously are interspersed with a great many good things, it's not been all in the red...(this makes it all the more important to sift through the behaviours...)

Obviously not all of these behaviours may indicate sociopathy, but I wonder if together they paint a picture.

  • He told me that he doesn't really understand people's emotions or feelings. I told him once that I felt afraid walking in the dark and he simply could not understand why, despite my explanations.

  • Told me that I am the only thing/person that makes him feel any emotions, which is why he knows he loves me. Says he can go days feeling nothing/numb. Said feelings last for a short time, i.e. he can watch a sad advert and feel something briefly but there will be no lingering connection to it.

  • Says feelings don't come from him, but rather come from external things I.e can't understand the idea of waking up on the wrong side of the bed just because or having a bad day or being in a bad mood just because.

  • Said a previous girlfriend stabbed him as was so angry about his distant behaviour.

Has previously (for two weeks many years ago), been in videos because someone suggested that he did, in which no s* was performed, but other acts. He said he didn't enjoy doing this but felt no emotion about it - it was just for money.

  • Does lots of survivalist stuff, going off into the woods etc and says he has never felt scared or worried.

  • Doesn't seem to worry much about health/appearance etc.

  • Says that he feels he understands people but they don't understand him.

  • Has said twice now he wonders if he could be a sociopath because he just doesn't feel things but has learnt how to pretend at work etc so people don't worry.

  • Says he relates to the character Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - the character is an extreme example of an undiagnosed sociopath but plated for laughs and clearly exaggerated.

  • Says he thinks his behaviour stems from parents who didn't want him and thus neglected him, so his defence mechanism is not to expect anything from people.

  • I asked what made him feel touched/validated, and he said nothing really, other than big gestures.

Interspersed with all this are actions that are very kind. He makes food, brings me drinks, is cuddly, talkative, always complimentary, I've seen him get emotional and cry (although is that because I'm the only person that makes him feel, as he said?). he sends presents, likes to be around me and is ultimately very engaged, but these things he has said make me wonder if in the long term I'm dealing with an unfeeling person. I myself am very sensitive, emotional and empathetic, I'd say I'm even highly sensitive.

Also, do any other women or men have experience with a man (or woman) who displays similar traits? I don't believe for a minute he is a sociopath in terms of being violent or abusive, but I do feel he is emotionally not quite all there.

Would love to hear from others as never met someone who has said they don't 'feel anything' before...

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canihaveanap · 29/10/2018 14:27

He sounds very much like my ex who acted like this and played it very well until we got serious and after I had given birth he went nuts. By the time my child was 6 months old he had been sent to prison about 4 times.
We are both educated seemingly normal individuals with good jobs, he hid it SO well!

My advice to you based on what you have written, if you want to protect yourself best from harm would be to ghost this man and get him out of your life as quickly as possible.
Even if it means staying with friends for a while I would just get him out of your life.

Also Clare's law - please!
My ex partner now lives around 200 miles away and could be dating anybody who would be completely unaware of his past, I'm sure he wouldn't tell them. That enquiry could save your life.

Sorry if I've gone a bit ott with my reply, your post just seemed alarming enough to warrant it

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:28

Does he smoke weed?

Is he proud of his 'distance'?

Does he have a scar?

How old is he?

Just a couple of the questions you haven't answered.

And another one - does he work?

GraceMarks · 29/10/2018 14:31

All the same, it sounds like he's way too dependent on you for all his emotional support. I'd hate that, personally, in fact I would feel stifled, but we're all different. I would just be wary that he isn't flattering you with all this "You're the only one I can talk to, I can't feel anything except with you" stuff. It's nice to feel special but don't let that blot out any uneasy feelings you might be getting.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:33

Hi shebangsit

In answer to your questions.

Does he smoke weed? - Yes, recreationally. He says weed makes him feel MORE.

Is he proud of his 'distance'? - Hmmm, I wouldn't say proud. He sounds like he is making sense of himself. My interpretation is that he is aware that he is different from other people, or that he relates to emotions differently and realises it has caused problems in his life. He does see some positives to his distance though i.e. being a manger in previous jobs.

Does he have a scar? - None that I have seen actually. I could ask...

How old is he? - He is 32, 33 this year.

Thanks for your questions. It's actually useful to me having specific questions to answer and break down. He has had long term relationships, the longest being a five year marriage. This broke down amicably in part due to a flailing sex life. Part of me wonders if this is because he was emotional distant, but apparently his ex-wife did not give any reason for losing interest in sex, just that she lost interest and apparently is in the same situation with her now boyfriend.

I know that he has also been with women who he found out later had boyfriends or were seeing someone else. Wonder if this contributes at all.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:34

Are you both American btw? Not that it makes much of a difference, but Americans do seem to 'talk' about their feelings a lot more.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:35

GraceMarks

Interesting, the only indication of any dependence on me was that line. Otherwise, I think he is quite happy with his own company/hobbies etc and I don't feel at all as though I am his only source of emotional fulfilment. He did say he has bounced around for the past ten years feeling quite content (read numb) but not truly understanding what makes him 'feel' happy...this also made me consider autism or anything else where processing emotion is difficult.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:36

And if you're in the states Clare's Law won't apply. Have you heard of it OP? It gives partners the right to go to police to request a summary of whether partner has any violent 'skeletons' in the closet worth worrying about. Do you have similar if you're in the US?

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:36

SheBangsit

I'm British born but now live in America. He is American born and raised. Cultural difference is an interesting slant...he is very chatty about all sorts of things. I did also think it's part of just being an American! Grin

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:37

In light of your disclosure, I'd say this is just typical weed speak. They're all the same.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:38

SheBangsit

I'm actually not sure. I can look into it. My gut instinct doesn't ping that he is violent/abusive, just emotionally not quite there, however I will look nonetheless as no harm. That really isn't the bit that pings to me though...it's more just wondering if he is really all there emotionally.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:39

Weed smokers like to think they're all profound and shit. He just sounds like a typical weed-head. So on that basis, you'd be better off without him.

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:39

SheBangsit
Could you elaborate on typical weed speak? I don't use it myself so not really sure. I know it can make people lazy/apathetic. Can it make people distant?

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:41

SheBangsit

Hmmmmmm, yes that could be it. It's difficult too when you aren't into it yourself as I don't use it to really understand the true effect it has on someone, although I did have an ex who was a big pothead, but with him it was terribly obvious, with the new guy not so much as he is more 'with it' than my ex was.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:42

Typically, they navel gaze, think they're the dog's bollox, believe themselves to be profound and different. I could pick up on it from your first post. I would have been shocked if you had told me he didn't. I've smoked it donkey's years ago, and you get all philosophical and shit. Rarely do much, but think you're really an awesome different misunderstood bastion of genius amongst mere civilians. They're a pain in the arse.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:43

Get him to give up the weed and he might notice he actually feels. Withdrawals probably. Lol

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:46

SheBangsit Grin

Interesting that you could call it from my post.

I personally like being clear headed. I don't really drink much and don't do drugs for that reason. I'm not against someone using weed, as long as it's casual and not OTT, but perhaps I've been a bit naïve about it here in terms of understanding how that may be impacting his behaviour.

I think what's saddening me about this is that I really like him and have fallen for him hard. I do think he is fundamentally a good person, I enjoy talking with him, being with him, S is incredible, and he is unlike anyone I've ever met, but this slight unease is still there.

I'm just fed up of meeting people, falling hard or really liking them and then realising they aren't 'right.'

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:47

SheBangsit

Thanks shebangsit - great name btw. I am not ready to pull the plug on him yet, but will put my boundaries up and take things much slower. If the feeling doesn't pass, or if our conversations prove fruitless, I'll pull the plug.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:48

I take it you don't live with him yet? Are you sure how recreational his drug use is?

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:50

Yes, most of what you described in your OP would be things I'd have heard from fellow weed smokers back in the day. I'd say he might be a different chap without the weed.

BaronessBomburst · 29/10/2018 14:51

Another one who was already thinking 'pothead'. Honestly, he's massively obsessed with himself and will soon loose interest in you unless you continue to feed his ego.

SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:51

Does he have a job?

BaronessBomburst · 29/10/2018 14:52

Lose

YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:52

SheBangsit

We don't live together. We went on holiday for a week and he smoked every day and said this is what he does on holiday, but not in daily life. I believed it, but I suppose he could be lying. I don't 'see him' as a liar because he seems so honest about everything else, but I suppose I shouldn't rule it out.

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YelenaSabra · 29/10/2018 14:53

SheBangsit Yes, he works as a chef.

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SheBangsit · 29/10/2018 14:53

Basically OP, remove the weed or pot or whatever you call it and you'll find

He does have feelings
He's not as great as he makes himself out to be
He's not an unusual human being

With the pot, you're going to continue to get that crap wheeled out to you in a lace covered tray on a daily basis.