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DS back home separated and lying to us

189 replies

Goodnan · 19/08/2018 23:25

DH and i are at our wits end and don't know what to do. DS has moved out of his home and left his wife and our DGD 3 years old, saying he needs space. He is back with us, he says he wants to work on his marriage and DS and DDIL have counselling arranged. But, we know he has been lying about what he does and where he goes, we have evidence of lies such as receipts for meals for 2 when he said he was somewhere else, plus other stuff.
We adore our DGD and DDIL ( she is devastated) and we are giving her all the support we can. She wants him back.
I'm so angry i want to throw my DS out, I don't think he has any intention of making his marriage work, and he has become a liar.
I have tried to confront him but he says nothing is going on.
Any advice on how to approach this mess

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StellaHeyStella · 20/08/2018 09:41

receipts for meals for 2 when he said he was somewhere else, plus other stuff.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck.......

You are right in my opinion op, Ds is having an affair and presenting to the OW as a single man who can come and go as he pleases and has the associated disposable income to wine and dine her - and this is only possible because you are facilitating his new lifestyle by taking him in to the comfort of your home rent free.

If you feel you need further proof then follow him and catch him at it, you are in a position to do this unlike the Ddil who has child care to consider. FWIW I wouldn't bother.

You need to do one of two things straight away and that is either charge him market rent (and like pp have suggested pass it back to Ddil) and stop doing his washing and cooking or alternatively throw him out and see how sofa surfing suits. Ds is living in a unrealistic bubble and you need to pop it without further delay.

Monetary sanctions will undoubtedly focus his mind.

StellaHeyStella · 20/08/2018 09:42

SorryBlushmultiple posts.

FuckPants · 20/08/2018 09:43

How old is he? Without TMI can you think why he'd need viagra? Is he overweight or diabetic?

Goodnan · 20/08/2018 09:50

Not overweight, or diabetic, or any health problems thankfully
He is early 30s

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llangennith · 20/08/2018 09:53

You've made it impossible for your DS to tell you anything you don't want to hear, can't you see that?
He's your son. His wife will be getting support from her own mother.
You have no idea of the dynamics of their marriage and why your son was so unhappy he had to leave.
Be more supportive and less judgemental or you'll lose your son.

Goodnan · 20/08/2018 09:54

If he has a new OW if she is younger, he might need it, he did say he had problems in his marriage once in this area, DDIL wasn't as supportive as she could have been he said

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Snappedandfarted2018 · 20/08/2018 09:57

Op I think you’re lovely my ex mil was a complete bitch and blamed me for ex cheating on me who I had ds with even though it was a different story where her ex husband did it when she had my ex. I think it’s admiral that you want to support the mother of your grandchild and I would be the same if one of my ds did the same and I certainly wouldn’t have him in the house whilst he swanned off to see ow.

Goodnan · 20/08/2018 09:58

DDIL mom is not supportive that's part of the problem she is virtually alone in this.
It's right i think he won't tell me because he knows i don't want to hear it.

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Rosemary46 · 20/08/2018 10:00

I’m sorry to hear of your difficult situation and understand why you are so upset .

Personally I’d sit down and talk to him about his responsibilities to his child. How many nights a week is your DHS staying at your house now? Can you fit another bed into your sons room so he can have his son to stay at weekends ?

Make sure your son knows that you will not be “ babysitting “ your GS - that’s not needed as he has many nights a week child free. Nor will you be doing any parenting - cooking meals for DGS, washing his clothes.

I’d ask him about clothes and toys for his son, car seat, buggy etc. What are his plans for buying and storing these things?

What are your son and DIls plans regarding residence in the long term?

Is your son going to rent his own place and have his son 50% of the time? How is he going to organise his work around this ? Has he talked to his employer about going part time or rearranging his working week?

I think you need to face him up to the harsh realities of being a single parent. Less money, less freedom, more work, more responsibility.

Parenthood isn’t something you get to opt out of because you “ need space “. He needs to deal with these issues now, his sons life can’t be put on hold while his father sorts out his issues.

I’d try to stay out of your sons sex life TBH. Not because you don’t have views, but because nothing good will come of you getting involved. I would say that I didn’t want to confront evidence of what he was up to in my bins and to dispose of condoms / Viagra etc else where / discretely .

I’d simply say that I was very sad to know that he and DIL couldn’t work things out, but I respected his right to make his own decisions about that.

However he can’t opt out of being a dad.

As PP have said mid also make sure he is contributing as an adult in your house - doing a third of the housework and paying his way.

Ignoramusgiganticus · 20/08/2018 10:02

It might not be an affair. It might just be casual sex.

I think you have to support dil whilst staying out of your ds's affairs. By all means talk to him about being honest with dil, but stay out of their marriage.
You can't expect him to stay in an unhappy marriage just because you love your dil. He's probably lying because you won't accept the truth.

PollyFlinderz · 20/08/2018 10:08

Op, I wouldn’t throw him out but I would l tell him what I suspect and let him know the games up so he had better start being honest and let his wife know what’s going on.

Magpiemagpie · 20/08/2018 10:09

Well if you want to risk loosing your son forever then crack on
My DH no longer speaks to his mum or his sister because they took his ex wife’s side when they split up .

Despite the fact that they rarely saw her before the split , they took her side and my DH hasent really spoken to them since

Fast forward 20 years and ex wife has moved on and got marreid kids have grown up .
DH mother and sister desperately want to speak and get in touch with him but he’s not interested
As far as he’s concerned they chose which side of the bed they wanted to lay on years ago so they can suck it up now .

He didn’t even go to his dads funeral so I know that there is 0 chance of him speaking to them
And the funny thing is is that he gets on really well with his ex wife and
his kids are great
It’s only his mom and sister who have lost out as they stuck their noses in when they really should have stayed neutral

PollyFlinderz · 20/08/2018 10:12

Magpie your DH sounds really vindictive.

Goodnan · 20/08/2018 10:12

I'm not cooking his meals, he seems to eat elsewhere or has no appetite

He sleeps on the sofa and lives out of his suitcase

I'm not ironing for him, I have washed his clothes only because he has a good job and I can't risk that going because he is in dirty clothes, he needs that job to keep the roof over my DGC head and food on The table.needs

He is not having a room here his old room is now my DH office!

I'm talking to him tonight after work.

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FuckPants · 20/08/2018 10:14

Magpie your DH sounds really vindictive.

Really? I don't blame him for cutting contact.

PollyFlinderz · 20/08/2018 10:14

Goodnan, I’m a grandma many times over and can well understand how you are feeling.

HonkyWonkWoman · 20/08/2018 10:16

Whatever is going on and I think that it does seem as though he is seeing OW, I don't understand why he is leaving empty packs of Viagra around for you to find. The meal for 2 receipt could have been explained by him having a meal with a male friend and picking up the bill but Viagra cant. It's as though he wants you to find out.
I can't see anything being gained by throwing your son out of your house, you didn't say to him that he could stay with you on the understanding that he behaved in x, y and z way did you?
It's a messy situation but I would support my Ddil and Dgc as much a possible and try to not snoop so much in my Ds's life.
You disapproving of his behaviour is not going to stop him and if the marriage is over, you can't fix it.
Just be "there" for everyone !

Goodnan · 20/08/2018 10:16

I won't alienate my son i love him, I want him to be honest, I'm not taking sides, although my DDIL needs our support to at this time too. Least of all for our DGC

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FuckPants · 20/08/2018 10:18

You're not taking sides? Your posts say otherwise.

Rosemary46 · 20/08/2018 10:25

Then offer to help him clear out the office so he can sleep there. Tell him to buy an inflatable mattress for your DHS to sleep on at weekends. Encourage him to go shopping to buy what’s needed after work today and call his wife to make arrangements.

Don’t let him think that he can pop back home “ to see his child “ and have his wife cook him dinner while he sits and plays on his phone.

Paint the picture of his new life, sharing a room with his son at his parents house. Sitting watching Peppa Pig on a Friday night, not out shagging OW. Up early on Saturday morning to take his son to the park.

Think the best of your son. Assume he is going to step up to his responsibilities as a good father.

Slartybartfast · 20/08/2018 10:25

step away op.

Magpiemagpie · 20/08/2018 10:25

my husband isn’t vindictive he just has can’t be assed with people who jumped to conclusions and stuck their noses into what wasn’t there business .

It was all a lot of drama for them but they picked what side they wanted to be on and that’s down to them . He speaks to his other sister and brother and regularly as they stayed impartial to everything

DH and his ex wife get on fine but my husband has no interest in forgiving his mum and sister and I don’t blame him one bit .

My son could be a mass murder but he would always be my son and I would always stand by him and love him no matter what I wouldn’t obviously condone what he did but I would still stand by him because he Is my son

Thatsfuckingshit · 20/08/2018 10:29

Those are likely from people who have the same behaviour as your DS.

Get a grip. I have never cheated on a partner. I wouldn't kick my son out or see him sofa surfing either.

I would make it clear cheating was not ok. I didn't approve and ddil was getting support from me. I wouldn't kick him out and I would tell both of them I am in a difficult position and trying to do my best.

Op, you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. There maybe stuff that your son doesn't want to share. He may just be a cheating cunt. But before you go off the deep end, decide what he is doing and kick him out......maybe you should contemplate that there is a lot more to this.

My parents don't know I was abused by exh. They don't get why my marriage is over and after how they were with me, after I left I won't bother explaining myself to them either.

SandyY2K · 20/08/2018 10:31

Snooping when she looks at stuff that's been left lying around in her own house?

Exactly. This isn't snooping. It's having your eyes open and observing.

Keep your fucking beak out

This comment says more about the person making it than anything else tbh.

3 used empty packets of viagra , why's he need that!!!!

Doesn't look good really. He's just in his 30s as well.

He'll be looking for an who boost with an OW if his performance was an issue.

Looks like he really wants a wife and a girlfriend too.

OP... you sound very sensible.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 20/08/2018 10:32

I don't understand the posts on here telling OP to stay out of it.

The son dragged her into this mess when he returned to live at her house. If he wanted privacy and discretion, he should've moved out to a hotel.

He's left his wife and his DC (her DGC) to pop Viagra, eat out at restaurants and pop out for smokes at midnight... How could a mother not want to know WTF is going on?

If he's unhappily married, he should find the balls to admit that and get divorced.

If he wants to stay married, he should move home and work on things with his wife.

I really can't imagine any mother who would just calmly carry on while all this drama plays around her.

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