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Being the other woman/conniving in deception/dropping the trapdoor

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Smudge100 · 09/06/2018 20:08

Six years ago I came home from work to find my then husband had thoughtfully changed the locks on the house before eloping with the woman down the road. When I finally gained entry, I discovered that they had everything useful and even my poor dog.

It’s a common enough story. However, the lady in question was someone I felt close to. She had successfully posed as a friend to both of us, so successfully in fact that I never had an inkling that she had having an affair with my husband for eighteen months. I was later to learn that they had planned their departure to coincide with her reaching pensionable age (at 50, I might add), so that they could both retire to the area where my then husband and I had for years planned to spend our twilight years. Every detail had been carefully put in place. I was left to discover over the ensuing few months not only how methodical and comprehensive their planning had been, but how heavily it had relied upon my ignorance of it. I still struggle with the scale of that duplicity and the extent of my own wilful blindness.

In the intervening years I have given considerable thought to the steely nerves and the sheer brazenness it must have taken for her to maintain that equaniminous demeanour of unruffled nonchalance whilst pursuing a project that she knew would rob me not just of my future, but my faith in human nature and in my own judgement. I’m not suggesting that she owed me a duty of loyalty – far from it - she owed me much less than my equally devious ex-husband. But strangely, I have actually wondered more about her role in it than his. My question is not: have you ever been the Other Woman? There have been plenty of threads in that particular well-worn vein, though I certainly wouldn’t want to discourage anyone with that particular experience from posting, in fact I’d be very interested to hear your point of view. It is however rather, have you ever been a party to the carefully-planned and protracted deception of a third party, particularly someone you knew well? If so, why? Was it for personal gain? Did you despise your victim? Feel they deserved what they got? Ever feel a tinsy bit guilty or the need to justify/rationalise it to yourself? What were your motives exactly? I’m not here to judge anyone, I’m long beyong that now, I’m just still curious about the psychological dynmamic of cheating, the whole process of misleading, placating, dissembling before another person, of not being yourself, of not showing your true face and the strain that places, if any, on the person practising deception. Please feel free to be brutally honest. If only they had been.

OP posts:
Smudge100 · 09/06/2018 23:22

@NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 I have absolutely not idea why he both changed the locks AND left. I think it was to delay me getting into the house and finding out he’d gone, thus gaining more time. Obviously i spent a lot of time ringing his mobile but he had blocked me.

OP posts:
GertieMotherwell · 09/06/2018 23:23

My point Irregularchoicesss, is that those simple things that impressed you, the meals, flowers Hmm handbags etc are just every day material things to the wives.

Shallow and meaningless.

Irregularchoicesss · 09/06/2018 23:23

Gertie- never said significant. That's your interpretation! They were flings. I didn't love them. I didn't want a relationship with them. They were fun. I had a good time. I was over a decade younger then. Wouldn't change it though.

Appreciate you may not like it but I was free and single and could do what I wanted. What other people choose to do is up to them...

GertieMotherwell · 09/06/2018 23:30

I’m 😂 at ‘I got a lot out of them’

People mostly have affairs because they’re trying to escape the person they’ve become. It’s rarely a reflection on their partner.

I

diamondsandrose · 09/06/2018 23:30

Irregular that's good that you wouldn't mind if your current partner you are "happily coupled with" strayed with a single woman looking for a fling

After all, monogamy isn't a workable model

Wonder if you'd be so smug if the boot was on the other foot

GertieMotherwell · 09/06/2018 23:33

I realise it was your choice.
It’s your ignorance, shallowness and superior attitude that astound me tbh.

Smudge100 · 09/06/2018 23:35

@ user764329056 and @takeittakeit: what you both say really resonates with me. I feel a complete loss of confidence in my own judgement as a result of that experience and with it an inability to trust anyone completely ever again. I hope that passes but it hasn’t so far. I’m sorry you both had similar experiences.

OP posts:
GertieMotherwell · 09/06/2018 23:35

I’m sure you’ve made a fantastic choice of partner though Wink

JohnnyKarate · 09/06/2018 23:35

OP did you get your dog back?

NCbecauseobviously · 09/06/2018 23:38

I was the OW. He was a colleague. We both had relationships. We had an awesome connection and chemistry. I tried to put him out of my mind for three years but it didn't work. I still genuinly believe that we could have been really happy together. I think of him often and I know he does the same. I don't feel guilty towards his wife. I don't know her well but have met her a few times. They just seem wrong together. Other colleagues have said the same thing. She's not an evil person or anything, quite an intelligent lady, nice and chatty person, but they seem ill fitted personality wise. From what he told me I still believe this.

We had two relationships together. One he broke off and the other I did. Both for the same reasons. He has kids and the kids were obviously happy in the family set up. We just couldn't hurt them by tearing their family and childhood apart. His youngest was having mental health problems and I was scared that she might get worse in the chaos of a divorce.

I really did love him though. He still has a place in my heart.

diamondsandrose · 09/06/2018 23:40

Well at least she wasn't an evil person or anything

Most wives are

sugarnotsweetener · 09/06/2018 23:44

@irregularchoicesss you were fed some lines, as if he got his wife nothing for Christmas. I don’t doubt that you got flowers and chocolates and a handbag but the wife got nothing was just so you appreciated with a little more enthusiasm. I hope the handbag was a good one because flowers and chocolates are a bit naff for Christmas, kind of thing wives get on a whim yes for washing underwear but they don’t have to put out in order to receive them. Glad you enjoyed yourself tho.

Irregularchoicesss · 09/06/2018 23:45

I think it's interesting that you are all very upset at me, I didn't lie to anyone. I wasn't cheating on anyone...

I was single. I had nothing to lose.

I have had a few friends who've been cheated on and it's horrible. But. They always get upset at the other woman. Really, it's the husband who should bear the brunt. They are the ones risking everything for a fling.

I've been honest. It happened over a decade ago. I am very happy and not burning in eternal damnation. The men concerned remain with their long suffering wives who clearly must know they are being cheated on but choose to stay.

I can't make the world be fair because some of you don't like the way it works.

Asked for honesty, turns out people don't like honesty when it's not what they like to hear.

Op has my sympathies. I wouldn't have done that. But I'm not going to apologise for what I did years ago. I feel no guilt. I wasn't risking my family. The men made their choices and if it hadn't been me, it would have been someone else.

Good luck to you all!

Irregularchoicesss · 09/06/2018 23:46

Er no chocolates love. Diamond jewellery, but I'll leave it there!

diamondsandrose · 09/06/2018 23:48

Yea right whatever.
Anyway as I said, do remember us when it happens to you, eh?

LanguidLobster · 09/06/2018 23:55

Actually can we get back to OP? I have no interest whatsoever in irregularchoicesss and she misunderstood what OP was asking anyway

sugarnotsweetener · 09/06/2018 23:55

@irregularchoicesss I’m not remotely upset at you, I haven’t been cheated on and am happily married my husband is 32 years old so over a decade ago he wasn’t one of the high flyers able to lavish you in diamonds and cheap trysts (not monetary cheap tho of course) so I have nothing to be upset with you about. I just wanted to point out that you were told a lot in order for the men to receive a lot, it worked - they played you, you played them. you shouldn’t believe what they were telling you when quite clearly they were lying shits.

diamondsandrose · 09/06/2018 23:58

Funniest thing in general I've noticed about the OW I general, and it keeps coming up again and again.

So, he's cheating with you. Lying through his teeth to his wife who he has 10/20/whatever years of history with.

But everything he says to you is the truth! But of course! What, this perfect specimen wouldn't lie to YOU!

He's so tangled in his web of lies he's completely forgotten how to tell the truth to anyone whatsoever

The wife didn't get a Xmas present / doesn't talk to him/ doesn't want to sleep with him/ blah blah blah

Lies. To you to me to everyone. Waken up

jsku · 10/06/2018 00:55

So - I am an OW, in a way. But he is also an OM...
We both were possibly a bit bored, and a bit seeking excitement.
Met online where people like us go and meet. And it’s been the best year+ of my life.

We both met with a specific purpose. I didn’t need flowers and gifts. I just wanted a bit of escape from daily grind. And so did he.

So - no - I don’t feel guilty about his W. I didn’t set out to trap him or take him away from her.
Equally - he didn’t seduce me or try to lure me away.

His life and relationship - and problems that there are - are his to sort out. And same for my life.

Affairs come in all kinds of shapes and forms.

user764329056 · 10/06/2018 03:40

Smudge, hello and sorry you have been through the horrors, it’s very difficult to describe to those who haven’t experienced it, my world was turned upside down and has been on a tilted axis ever since, I have had a very colourful life, immense highs and lows, but if I could erase one thing that has happened it would be the him and her deception, it was so overwhelming it felt like a circuit of my mind had blown and it has never reset. I don’t know if karma’s a thing but if it is then I hope it does it’s work at some point xx

Mountainsoutofmolehills · 10/06/2018 03:50

people get bored, lost in the roles. I see it all the time as a therapist. People justify everything, this is how we manage to do things that cause harm whilst attributing it to something else.

Do you feel relief now that you are not with this man?

namechangeordeal · 10/06/2018 04:40

I was the OW - but before we got together, his W left him for someone else. Bizarrely she was the most bitter about our affair.

I should have left - my marriage wasn't good, and my exH barely spoke to me, - but I handled it very badly.

Guilt - in spades. I created an awful situation for everybody and that will stay with me for the rest of my life. I'm still with my OM but left with lots of 'what ifs'.
My ExH got his revenge - I didn't try to stop him, and acquiesced to his every demand during the divorce. I don't get maintenance for our children, he had the majority of our assets etc and he made damn sure I suffered.

Some days I still struggle to live with what I did and think how different it could have been. Most days I just get on with it because I have to.

OP I'm astounded by your story. Hope you've managed to move on. Thanks

Ofthread · 10/06/2018 04:45

Yes, I had a ‘friend’ who in a very calculating manner, started a relationship with my then partner. These people are just junk dna, how shallow their lives must be.

namechangeordeal · 10/06/2018 04:47

As an add-on, I'm very lucky that after a terrible few years, ExH and I get along well now. And equally grateful that he didn't tell our DC's about my affair (although that was far from the only reason we broke up - not that he sees it that way)

Can't understand the extent of the duplicity in the original post. I think it would have consumed me.

Ofthread · 10/06/2018 04:49

And yes, the justifications that they tell themselves and me. Why on earth would they think I want to participate in that?

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