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When will he propose?

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Frenchintheuk · 23/05/2018 11:32

Hi everyone!

I am French, I live in the uk for a few years and am in a relationship with my partner for 4 years now. We have a beautiful baby girl since last summer.

I never really thought about getting married by the past but everything changed when I had my daughter, I started to feel the urge to do things properly.

My boyfriend has been married before, quoting his words, his ex was “crazy and controlling”, he decided to leave her, went back to his parents and they stayed separated for 2 years before getting a divorce.
Long before we had our child he asked me what were my thoughts about marriage and I told him it wasn’t necessary for me, he simply said ok and we never talked about it again. Everything was fine until I gave birth to our daughter and realised I actually wanted to get married. I naively started to talk about friends getting married, posted wedding stuff on my Pinterest, etc. thinking he would notice it... So when my birthday arrived in September I thought he would propose (also, we were going to his friends’ wedding that day!) but he didn’t and instead he asked me if I wanted a printer for my birthday?!!! (to help with my work) Imagine my face... He noticed something was wrong but I wasn’t ready to talk about it and kept a fake smile on my face all day long at his friends’ wedding and the next few days, looking happy and excited with my new printer.

A few weeks later during an argument he told me he suspected I resented him, I exploded and yelled “I wanted you to propose and you offered me a printer!” he answered absolutely nothing, he looked confused but said no word and we didn’t talk after that. Days, weeks, months passed, February arrived and I thought that it could happened for Valentine’s Day. We left the baby at my parents and went out for a couple of drinks and a nice dinner together, it was romantic but again, nothing happened. After dinner and another drink he said “let’s go home”, I was disappointed but showed nothing. A few days later he noticed I was quite depressed and we talked about it, I told him that he never said anything when I talked about getting married and I felt like he didn’t care about my feelings, he answered that he wanted it, that it was the right thing to do, that he actually thought about doing it for Valentine’s Day but it was tense between us so he didn’t (he also used the same excuse for not doing it at my birthday as I was dealing with postpartum hormones withdrawal and was “too emotional” to quote him). Whatever. I felt like he was searching for excuses, always putting me responsible, not very fair. I told him it was hard for me as I was waiting since last September and he understood.

A few weeks later, our anniversary (4 years together) was approaching I joked saying that it could be a fantastic occasion if IT could happen, wink wink! He smiled and I thought OMG it’s going to happen! It’s sure, it’s the perfect occasion and he knows I’m waiting for soooo long he cannot not do it!!!! Guess what... Two days before our anniversary I innocently asked where we wanted to go for dinner that day and he looked confused, asking “What’s on Thursday? Oh yeah, our anniversary... Well, I don’t know, do you have an idea?” I thought he was joking but no! He actually forgot and planned absolutely nothing... I started to cry and asked him “You’re not planning anything, are you?” He got angry and told me I was putting pressure on him and that yes it won’t be happening that day... I felt humiliated, I exploded asking him “Why? What game are you playing? You knew I was expecting it! Why?” He said he doesn’t have the time to plan it, that it takes time and voilà, just deal with it...

I was shocked, I felt like a piece of sh*t, stuck with a man who doesn’t care at all about what I want, about what I feel and dare use the lack of time excuse while he’s seating playing on his phone, reading and watching football with his pal as soon as he has a bit of free time. I felt completely down and alone. I told him I didn’t want it anymore, I wanted him to want it, to want me as his wife, to be excited about it, to be impatient to make it happen and instead I was with someone finding excuses and dragging his feet to do it. Later he came to talk to me, saying he understood, saying he was sorry to disappoint me and that he messed up, “I’ll make it up to you, I promise” I asked him “When? In one year? Six months?” he smirked and said “Not 6 months” and left me like that. It was last March.

Since then we went on holiday in Croatia and again I thought that maybeeee... But no. I kept my feelings inside to not put any pressure or nag him. I am very busy with our baby and don’t have much time for myself, I really suffer about it but do my best to keep a happy face and do everything in the house and for them.

I see him weeks after weeks spending his weekends in his books, on his phone or seeing his friend and I can’t help to think that he’s not planning anything. I don’t see him going out in his own in town (to jewellery shops for example) or planning a date night together by asking his parents to look after the baby so unless he’s very good at hiding, nothing will happen soon.

My only theory is that he waits for a specific date, our daughter first birthday in July or my birthday in September, which would ruin his “it won’t take 6 months” promise. It’s starting to turn me off.

Should I still expect something?

OP posts:
Motoko · 29/05/2018 18:02

He doesn't want to marry you because you have gone full mental on him

Says the person whose username is ragingmentalist. How ironic!

Frenchintheuk · 30/05/2018 10:04

[UPDATE]

For the last few days I barely talked to him. Frankly I am not interested in him anymore, I am working on my plans to get my life back and prefer to be on my own to avoid any comments from him. I've been polite, only doing small talk, which is unusual.

On Monday evening he sat down next to me and asked "Can we talk?" Me: "Sure. About?" Him: "Your behaviour" I was like here we go, what have I done wrong again in my head but said "I have nothing to say, I just do things on my own" then he said he wanted to have a serious conversation... He started to review everything that happened in our relationship for the past year then he asked me if I still wanted to get married. I told him no. Recently the only reason I wanted to get married was for our child but now I am completely off. I didn't talk to him about my plans. He said "If you're worried that I would leave you then don't be because we have a kid together, I would never leave you. We are parents we have a responsibility". At that moment I thought "Oh, well done, sounds like he can feel I am on the verge of leaving him and want to make me feel guilty. I'll be the selfish mum that left him because I wasn't happy." Realised once again that he's a total dick.

He said that "in a idealistic world" (his quote) he wanted to get married, he was just worried that "after we get married you'll have a go at me for something else, you'll find something else that's wrong" I rolled my eyes, so fed up to be blamed again for something that - haven't even happened!!! - and was actually provoked by his lack of actions. All this time was almost a monologue where he also said that "don't take it bad, I am not saying you're a bad person but I think you give too much importance to your feelings"................ I wanted to laugh to the absurdity of this dialogue, realising that he really took me for an idiot all along, and still does.

He finished saying he will propose.

LOL. Can't wait to humiliate him by saying no.

OP posts:
Ophelialovescats · 30/05/2018 10:46

Do you're not to going to split up , you're going to wait for s proposal so you can say no ??
I would recommend seeing a Relationship specialist. . Both of you will get to have your say and then will be advised to go your separate ways while making plans for shared residency for your baby .

rainbowstardrops · 30/05/2018 10:58

I really don't think that you should wait for him to propose just so that you can say no!!!

You should be telling him it's over and leaving the bastard - now - because as controlling etc as he sounds, hanging around to say no to a proposal is just cruel imo.

NordicNobody · 30/05/2018 11:05

Yeh I don't think playing games is going to solve anything, and it certainly won't make you feel better about yourself. All that's going to do is give a layer of credibility to the "my ex is a bitch" stories he'll inevitably be telling about you. Save your energy and your dignity and just be straight. If you're leaving, tell him, and start working towards the goal of amicable coparenting. If there are plans you need to make that you think telling him you're leaving would obstruct then do that first, but don't bugger around with this nonsense about humiliating him. Trust me, he's doing that all by himself.

Motoko · 30/05/2018 11:19

I agree with pps, don't wait for him to propose, you've already told him you don't want to marry him now.

If there are plans you need to make that you think telling him you're leaving would obstruct then do that first

Get those done as soon as possible, then tell him. But don't play games.

Frenchintheuk · 30/05/2018 11:51

@Ophelialovescats @rainbowstardrops @NordicNobody @Motoko I am not playing any game to get a reaction. I can't leave him right now as I need to get a job and a flat to be able to look after my child without him. That's the only reason why I am still living with him right now. I told him I didn't want to marry him anymore and that I was done with him but since the beginning he never seems to take what I say seriously or believe me. I guess he'll understand when I leave the house for real.

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SlowDown76mph · 30/05/2018 11:56

Do you have family that can offer you support?

Ophelialovescats · 30/05/2018 12:03

Get a job asap . You need to be independent. As a single parent you will be entitled to tax credits. Make an appointment with the CAB this am. They will advise you .

Xiolablueviolet · 30/05/2018 12:13

I agree with the comment regarding counselling.

I think he was being honest and trying to share his fears. Men don't do that unless they care. He does seem to be a twat but that may improve after some sessions. Men don't understand women. The comment re emotions is classic stupid man talk.

I would see how counselling together and individually went before making any more decisions. If you still want to try at the relationship given you have a child together. Had he not said anything I would still suggest leaving. But he has I so I would try.

ragingmentalist · 01/06/2018 11:10

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Motoko · 01/06/2018 11:51

ragingmentalist what a nasty post. Reported.

trojanpony · 01/06/2018 14:56

I feel for you OP this is a really unfortunate situation - I think it’s a shame it has come to this but I don’t think you are wrong for wanting to leave.
His treatment of you has been pretty abysmal in my opinion.
I would definitely press on with your plans if I was in your shoes.

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