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When will he propose?

188 replies

Frenchintheuk · 23/05/2018 11:32

Hi everyone!

I am French, I live in the uk for a few years and am in a relationship with my partner for 4 years now. We have a beautiful baby girl since last summer.

I never really thought about getting married by the past but everything changed when I had my daughter, I started to feel the urge to do things properly.

My boyfriend has been married before, quoting his words, his ex was “crazy and controlling”, he decided to leave her, went back to his parents and they stayed separated for 2 years before getting a divorce.
Long before we had our child he asked me what were my thoughts about marriage and I told him it wasn’t necessary for me, he simply said ok and we never talked about it again. Everything was fine until I gave birth to our daughter and realised I actually wanted to get married. I naively started to talk about friends getting married, posted wedding stuff on my Pinterest, etc. thinking he would notice it... So when my birthday arrived in September I thought he would propose (also, we were going to his friends’ wedding that day!) but he didn’t and instead he asked me if I wanted a printer for my birthday?!!! (to help with my work) Imagine my face... He noticed something was wrong but I wasn’t ready to talk about it and kept a fake smile on my face all day long at his friends’ wedding and the next few days, looking happy and excited with my new printer.

A few weeks later during an argument he told me he suspected I resented him, I exploded and yelled “I wanted you to propose and you offered me a printer!” he answered absolutely nothing, he looked confused but said no word and we didn’t talk after that. Days, weeks, months passed, February arrived and I thought that it could happened for Valentine’s Day. We left the baby at my parents and went out for a couple of drinks and a nice dinner together, it was romantic but again, nothing happened. After dinner and another drink he said “let’s go home”, I was disappointed but showed nothing. A few days later he noticed I was quite depressed and we talked about it, I told him that he never said anything when I talked about getting married and I felt like he didn’t care about my feelings, he answered that he wanted it, that it was the right thing to do, that he actually thought about doing it for Valentine’s Day but it was tense between us so he didn’t (he also used the same excuse for not doing it at my birthday as I was dealing with postpartum hormones withdrawal and was “too emotional” to quote him). Whatever. I felt like he was searching for excuses, always putting me responsible, not very fair. I told him it was hard for me as I was waiting since last September and he understood.

A few weeks later, our anniversary (4 years together) was approaching I joked saying that it could be a fantastic occasion if IT could happen, wink wink! He smiled and I thought OMG it’s going to happen! It’s sure, it’s the perfect occasion and he knows I’m waiting for soooo long he cannot not do it!!!! Guess what... Two days before our anniversary I innocently asked where we wanted to go for dinner that day and he looked confused, asking “What’s on Thursday? Oh yeah, our anniversary... Well, I don’t know, do you have an idea?” I thought he was joking but no! He actually forgot and planned absolutely nothing... I started to cry and asked him “You’re not planning anything, are you?” He got angry and told me I was putting pressure on him and that yes it won’t be happening that day... I felt humiliated, I exploded asking him “Why? What game are you playing? You knew I was expecting it! Why?” He said he doesn’t have the time to plan it, that it takes time and voilà, just deal with it...

I was shocked, I felt like a piece of sh*t, stuck with a man who doesn’t care at all about what I want, about what I feel and dare use the lack of time excuse while he’s seating playing on his phone, reading and watching football with his pal as soon as he has a bit of free time. I felt completely down and alone. I told him I didn’t want it anymore, I wanted him to want it, to want me as his wife, to be excited about it, to be impatient to make it happen and instead I was with someone finding excuses and dragging his feet to do it. Later he came to talk to me, saying he understood, saying he was sorry to disappoint me and that he messed up, “I’ll make it up to you, I promise” I asked him “When? In one year? Six months?” he smirked and said “Not 6 months” and left me like that. It was last March.

Since then we went on holiday in Croatia and again I thought that maybeeee... But no. I kept my feelings inside to not put any pressure or nag him. I am very busy with our baby and don’t have much time for myself, I really suffer about it but do my best to keep a happy face and do everything in the house and for them.

I see him weeks after weeks spending his weekends in his books, on his phone or seeing his friend and I can’t help to think that he’s not planning anything. I don’t see him going out in his own in town (to jewellery shops for example) or planning a date night together by asking his parents to look after the baby so unless he’s very good at hiding, nothing will happen soon.

My only theory is that he waits for a specific date, our daughter first birthday in July or my birthday in September, which would ruin his “it won’t take 6 months” promise. It’s starting to turn me off.

Should I still expect something?

OP posts:
Cawfee · 25/05/2018 00:55

He has all the power.
He is lazy.
He doesn’t want to get married.

Those are the things that stand out to me from all of this. Is that good enough for you? Why don’t you tell him you are done and give yourself the opportunity to find somebody who thinks you are the bees knees and thanks their lucky stars to marry you. I’m pretty sure you’d be a lot happier. He doesn’t really sound right for you

SaturdaySauv · 25/05/2018 08:35

You deserve someone who wants to marry you. This man doesn’t Flowers

Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 09:12

We decided to have a serious discussion this evening.

I entend to tell him that I am more than done waiting to do everything on his own terms, done accepting shitty excuses, done being blamed when he's actually lazy, I have been more than clear about what I wanted, more than patient, he had plenty of time to plan and propose if he wanted to - as many of you said - I am not a puppy on a lead and I am ready to take back control of my life.

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ShatnersWig · 25/05/2018 09:14

Not sure that sounds like a discussion. But then has there ever been proper discussion in this relationship?

Ophelialovescats · 25/05/2018 09:41

I don't think there is any point in having any more discussions, they are not productive in the case of you and your partner.
Give him an ultimatum ," let's get married or split up. "

Hont1986 · 25/05/2018 09:44

Are you willing to listen to anything he has to say? It sounds like you want to present him with a list of his failings, that won't help anything.

From your posts it sounds like you nag him for a proposal and can't enjoy anything because you're always disappointed that you haven't been proposed to yet. Would you propose to someone like that?

If you're desperate to get married, propose to him. If he doesn't like it, so what? He can pick yes or no, you have your answer.

NordicNobody · 25/05/2018 10:38

So what was the result then? You said all that to him and he said...?

Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 11:16

@Hont1986 Yes I would like to listen to what he has to say. I would like to know why he didn't do anything while he had the time? What made him stop his plan?

Everyone is telling me to leave him, kind of he doesn't act like you want then leave him. I am ready to leave him if he gives me another ridiculous reason or blame me. You say that I nag him but you don't say that you want to marry someone and do nothing about it, leaving the other person waiting like an idiot. Or you want it and do something or you don't and just have the ball to say it.

I thought it was very simple, he wants it he makes it happen. Unfortunately for me it's not the case and it brought a big issue and I want to know why. If he doesn't have any explanation then I'll know he's not worth it and that I am wasting my time.

We had a baby together and sorry to sound soft but I want to believe we had a good reason to found a family. Maybe I am wrong and will realise that you were right but I want to hear what he has to say one last time.

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MMmomDD · 25/05/2018 11:24

Oh, God, OP.
I hope you wake up and realise how totally obsessive you sound.
And if you now break up you relationship with a man who loves you and who you also loved - untill this fog of this uncontrollable desire for a ring has descended upon you.
In a few years time you’ll realise how unhealthy this all is and regret it.
And if one day your kid asks you why - and you try to explain - I don’t wish to be you.

Unfortunately - I think you are too far gone now. And even if today he had a band and fireworks and flower arrangements, etc - and proposed to you - even that won’t make you happy.
You’ll find something wrong about it, or the time he took.

Anyone who isn’t in this dark place where you are will tell you - after you give this speech - even if you have a proposal - it won’t work.

Sorry.

Ophelialovescats · 25/05/2018 11:48

I'm sorry to be blunt , OP, but you sound very immature. You have been given lots and lots of advice on this issue and yet you are still obsessing about marriage.
Take action...sort your life out and grow up. You are a mother now! it's not all about you!

Loopytiles · 25/05/2018 12:39

It’s not U for OP to want marriage: she has a DC and works PT/flexibly and her partner has the financial assets, while she’s in an extremely vulnerable financial position.

As posters have pointed out, there seem to be reasons not to marry this man and to get out of the relationship. But if OP decides to stay there are steps she can take to plan for the worst, eg working FT, deciding what she would do in the event that the relationship ends (which is likely), seeking legal advice and investigating housing options.

Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 14:36

@MMmomDD Thanks for judging me and making me feel like I am a real b*tch.
I've never been obsessed by a ring, I actually told him I was ready to just get married simply at the city hall, just together, don't care of flowers, don't care of a ring, don't care of guests, don't care of a big thing, of fireworks or whatever you imagine me crazy about. I said that in a few messages already.

I just wanted to marry him, I wanted him to want me that way, to have the same name, to call him my husband, I wanted him to make the effort. Why is it so wrong that I believed in it so hard? Sorry if I sound desperate but I feel heartbroken.

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Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 14:43

@Ophelialovescats And why do you think I wanted to be married? To give security and stability to our daughter! Am I use I wanted to give my child a family? I know that some single parents are doing very well, I admire them for that, but it doesn't mean I am happy to oh to happen to me. Sorry to be sad about the idea and desperately trying to understand if it's worth it to save my couple, married or not.

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ShatnersWig · 25/05/2018 14:46

French I assumed you wanted to get married because you loved your husband. You were the one who never thought of getting married before. Only once you had a child did you suddenly have a conversion where it seems to have become the be all and end all and the way you've behaved at times does come across somewhat irrational.

AnaViaSalamanca · 25/05/2018 14:47

OP, I haven't read the entire thread, but your original post and a few other comments you made. To be blunt, I think you both have a communication problem. Marriage is bigger than a disney princess type of proposal and you seem to be fixated on a romantic proposal. If you want to be married, be an adult, talk to him like an adult about what you want.

Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 14:51

I am sorry to sound hard, I came here to get advice and support.
Apparently I am the wrong person in that story and the one to blame if my couple is collapsing and if my boyfriend didn't propose.

I am ok to have constructive exchanges and I completely agree that I made wrong choices and expressed myself very badly by the past, which compromised grandly the chances of him to propose.

We wouldn't have a baby I would have broken up by now, I am just focusing on my child's best interest, me being happy or not.

I didn't know I would be told being immature and obsessive. I don't need to read that at the moment.

Thanks for all the people who supported me and gave me their advices and kind words.

Xx

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MMmomDD · 25/05/2018 15:05

OP - if you wanted to do what’s best for your child and your family - you’d stop destroying the loving family unit that exists.
The man you are with - is a good father (I think you said that) and loves you - which is demonstrated by him living with a totally irrational person that you seem to have become.
You are making yourself more and more unhappy.
And by then increasingly escalating posts - I do wonder now if something else isn’t an issue with you. Because you make less and less sense. And you lost all perspective.

Are you, maybe, depressed?

flamingofridays · 25/05/2018 15:19

Someone wants to get married let's pull out the depressed card... really?

Op I don't think you're being obsessive. It's not like you're mentioning it in every conversation and frankly he's leading you on so if anyone is being a knob head it is him.

I understand exactly where you're coming from honestly.

MMmomDD · 25/05/2018 15:50

@flamingofridays
Not the desire to be married, in itself.
Read the OP’s actual posts. See how they progressed from sounding normal, if moody. To this, totally irrational last ones.

Also - read her early description of her bf. As a human, a father, a loving partner.
Now - he became one dimensional entity - a man who didn’t deliver the proposal. When expected and repeatedly nagged.

So - yes. Something is off.

NordicNobody · 25/05/2018 15:59

I agree with flamingofridays, you've been pretty clear about your expectations and you just want an answer. Instead he's dancing around, fobbing you off. You're not obsessed, crazy, or depressed, you're frustrated. Rightly so, in my opinion. "Nagging" is a horrible sexist term used to make women feel bad for expecting someone to actually do the thing they said they'd do. You are not "nagging" you are simply expecting straight answers to some very straight forward questions ("do you want to get married?" and "when?"). Now, from what you've said I still believe that the answers to those questions are "no" and "never", but he still needs to just get on and say that rather than pissing about with this "maybe in 6 months" bollocks. I mean seriously, what takes 6 months to organise? Buy ring, book restaurant, ask question, done. I've known people arrange entire weddings in less time than he's been "planning" this proposal. It's all nonsense, that proposal ain't coming! But you clearly need to hear that from him so you can make the choice to stay or go, and he's being very cruel to deny you that clarity.

So, when you said your piece last night, what did he reply?

flamingofridays · 25/05/2018 16:14

I'd be moody if people said to me what she has said to her.

She is not totally irrational at all!

She clearly resents him because he's not done what he said he's going to do. Repeatedly. I'd go from seeing him as great to more of an entity than a person. It's not a coincidence she's lost feeling for him is it?

Frenchintheuk · 25/05/2018 16:24

@MMmomDD Ok so now you want to turn other people against me, why doing that? Why coming to talk then do that? Because I don't agree with what you say? We don't know each other and I find your words towards me pretty hard and judging. If you react like that when people don't follow your lead, well good luck. Interesting to judge me crazy and obsessional when you now clearly can't stop judging and criticising me.

"As a human, a father, a loving partner."

Yes he's a human, yes he's a father but I never said he was a loving partner. Please stop inventing things.

@NordicNobody The talk is planned for tonight, sorry if it sounded like it was yesterday, my mistake. So we'll see when he comes back from work.

@flamingofridays Thanks for your kind words.

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Ophelialovescats · 25/05/2018 16:35

Grow up OP.

flamingofridays · 25/05/2018 16:39

Helpful advice there ophelia I can only imagine you have never been in ops situation.

NordicNobody · 25/05/2018 16:51

Good luck OP, hope tonight's talk goes well and you finally get some answers.

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