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When will he propose?

188 replies

Frenchintheuk · 23/05/2018 11:32

Hi everyone!

I am French, I live in the uk for a few years and am in a relationship with my partner for 4 years now. We have a beautiful baby girl since last summer.

I never really thought about getting married by the past but everything changed when I had my daughter, I started to feel the urge to do things properly.

My boyfriend has been married before, quoting his words, his ex was “crazy and controlling”, he decided to leave her, went back to his parents and they stayed separated for 2 years before getting a divorce.
Long before we had our child he asked me what were my thoughts about marriage and I told him it wasn’t necessary for me, he simply said ok and we never talked about it again. Everything was fine until I gave birth to our daughter and realised I actually wanted to get married. I naively started to talk about friends getting married, posted wedding stuff on my Pinterest, etc. thinking he would notice it... So when my birthday arrived in September I thought he would propose (also, we were going to his friends’ wedding that day!) but he didn’t and instead he asked me if I wanted a printer for my birthday?!!! (to help with my work) Imagine my face... He noticed something was wrong but I wasn’t ready to talk about it and kept a fake smile on my face all day long at his friends’ wedding and the next few days, looking happy and excited with my new printer.

A few weeks later during an argument he told me he suspected I resented him, I exploded and yelled “I wanted you to propose and you offered me a printer!” he answered absolutely nothing, he looked confused but said no word and we didn’t talk after that. Days, weeks, months passed, February arrived and I thought that it could happened for Valentine’s Day. We left the baby at my parents and went out for a couple of drinks and a nice dinner together, it was romantic but again, nothing happened. After dinner and another drink he said “let’s go home”, I was disappointed but showed nothing. A few days later he noticed I was quite depressed and we talked about it, I told him that he never said anything when I talked about getting married and I felt like he didn’t care about my feelings, he answered that he wanted it, that it was the right thing to do, that he actually thought about doing it for Valentine’s Day but it was tense between us so he didn’t (he also used the same excuse for not doing it at my birthday as I was dealing with postpartum hormones withdrawal and was “too emotional” to quote him). Whatever. I felt like he was searching for excuses, always putting me responsible, not very fair. I told him it was hard for me as I was waiting since last September and he understood.

A few weeks later, our anniversary (4 years together) was approaching I joked saying that it could be a fantastic occasion if IT could happen, wink wink! He smiled and I thought OMG it’s going to happen! It’s sure, it’s the perfect occasion and he knows I’m waiting for soooo long he cannot not do it!!!! Guess what... Two days before our anniversary I innocently asked where we wanted to go for dinner that day and he looked confused, asking “What’s on Thursday? Oh yeah, our anniversary... Well, I don’t know, do you have an idea?” I thought he was joking but no! He actually forgot and planned absolutely nothing... I started to cry and asked him “You’re not planning anything, are you?” He got angry and told me I was putting pressure on him and that yes it won’t be happening that day... I felt humiliated, I exploded asking him “Why? What game are you playing? You knew I was expecting it! Why?” He said he doesn’t have the time to plan it, that it takes time and voilà, just deal with it...

I was shocked, I felt like a piece of sh*t, stuck with a man who doesn’t care at all about what I want, about what I feel and dare use the lack of time excuse while he’s seating playing on his phone, reading and watching football with his pal as soon as he has a bit of free time. I felt completely down and alone. I told him I didn’t want it anymore, I wanted him to want it, to want me as his wife, to be excited about it, to be impatient to make it happen and instead I was with someone finding excuses and dragging his feet to do it. Later he came to talk to me, saying he understood, saying he was sorry to disappoint me and that he messed up, “I’ll make it up to you, I promise” I asked him “When? In one year? Six months?” he smirked and said “Not 6 months” and left me like that. It was last March.

Since then we went on holiday in Croatia and again I thought that maybeeee... But no. I kept my feelings inside to not put any pressure or nag him. I am very busy with our baby and don’t have much time for myself, I really suffer about it but do my best to keep a happy face and do everything in the house and for them.

I see him weeks after weeks spending his weekends in his books, on his phone or seeing his friend and I can’t help to think that he’s not planning anything. I don’t see him going out in his own in town (to jewellery shops for example) or planning a date night together by asking his parents to look after the baby so unless he’s very good at hiding, nothing will happen soon.

My only theory is that he waits for a specific date, our daughter first birthday in July or my birthday in September, which would ruin his “it won’t take 6 months” promise. It’s starting to turn me off.

Should I still expect something?

OP posts:
Motoko · 27/05/2018 19:47

So, you still want to marry him? Even after all this, plus the advice from people who have experienced men like him? Plus the fact that you don't feel respected, and that he's the controlling one?

Yes, all relationships have their ups and downs, but GOOD relationships are not like this. My husband and I have been together for 19 years, and whilst we've had disagreements, we've never had a blazing row. I had those in my previous relationships, and they were not good relationships, which is why they ended.

We talk to each other, and listen to each other, and respect each other.

You too could have a relationship like mine, but not with this man.

PoorYorick · 27/05/2018 20:34

Why can't it happen tomorrow?

He may not have a ring yet but why can't he sit you down tomorrow and say, "I've been thinking about it and you're right, I want to marry you, let's contact the registry office after the Bank Holiday", and do it?

Why?

All you can do OP, is give him a deadline and if a date is not set by then, leave. I know some women think that is 'forcing' a man but it isn't. It's offering him a choice and the chance to prove what he wants the most.

He should be extremely anxious about your vulnerability here, financially and being from overseas. What will Brexit do to your situation if you're not married by then? If he cares about you why is he dragging his feet in protecting you?

fluffyrobin · 27/05/2018 20:36

Move out, get your relationship on an equal footing, get married before moving back in.

PoorYorick · 27/05/2018 20:41

There's something to be said for that. He needs to understand what life without you would be like, and to understand that that is what will happen if he doesn't get his act together.

As I said, I've found that men are generally very good at going after things if they want them. Perhaps he needs to realise how much he wants you and then he'll come around. If not, well, OP, we don't need men who ride up on horseback to our towers but we do need a man who actually wants to be with us and is prepared to make a commitment to prove it. When you're in a long term relationship and have a child, and are very vulnerable financially and legally, that is really not much to ask.

mulberrybag · 27/05/2018 20:44

I'm sure he will propose at some point a long way in the future, but then you'll have the same shitty waiting game for him to let you set a date etc.
He sounds like an absolute selfish controlling arsehole.
Would you want your daughter to have husband like him ? I think we all know the answer

PoorYorick · 27/05/2018 20:55

If you booked the registry office yourself on Tuesday, OP, and told him you'd spared him all the trouble and the date was now set and there was no need to buy a ring or anything, he just needs to turn up for the notice to marry and then the ceremony itself, what do you think he'd do?

I have the feeling he'd go ballistic, and blame you (again) for preventing him from being able to "make it special", because a year isn't enough time to plan asking you a simple question (ring optional).

MissGingerbread · 27/05/2018 20:57

Wow even after all that he is still messing with your head.

The bloke doesn't want to marry you, it's so obvious.

SittingAround1 · 27/05/2018 21:18

Does your DD have French nationality ? If not I'd get that sorted.
Also if you're not working you should be looking into getting a job in order to become more independant.

Your partner has basically said he has no intention of marrying you anytime soon.

i'm sorry for your situation.

Xiolablueviolet · 27/05/2018 21:52

I have sympathy for your situation.

On one hand, men like to move at their own pace. Whether that pace is reasonable is another matter.

He clearly has an issue with getting married again and also sounds like a bit of a dick.

Men that moan about being controlled often are controlling. I think you need to consider the advice about becoming more independent. If you focus on yourself more he may worry that he's losing his grip. Whether you want to be hitched to such a man is up to you. I would think very carefully.

SittingAround1 · 27/05/2018 22:35

Also you should look into getting British nationality if you haven't already.

NordicNobody · 27/05/2018 23:06

Sorry OP, I was really hoping for a better outcome for you. Everyone else has already said it all so try and follow some of their advice (especially the bits about becoming financially independent from him and securing your right to stay in this country if you want to). I think you know now in your heart that this proposal and wedding is never going to happen so where you go from here is up to you. Thanks for coming back to update us.

Haffiana · 27/05/2018 23:28

So it seems like it will happen at some point.

It won't happen ever.

Please understand he does not love you or respect you enough to do the thing that you believe will make you happy. He does not care.

The important thing for him is that you will now wait for a few more months, a few more years for 'some point'.

I think he is quite openly taking the piss now. He knows nothing will happen except you will nag him occasionally and at those times he will blame you and get angry with you for 'stopping' him from wanting to propose. Oh, he loves that scrapbook thing, doesn't he? Why are you understanding him about it? Who the fuck does he think he is?

I am not supposed to know his plans I have nothing to say about how he organises himself.

I would not stay with a man who treated me like this. I most absolutely certainly would not want to marry him.

Walk out, OP, take your daughter and show her a life where her mother is treated with respect.

Frenchintheuk · 28/05/2018 10:23

Thanks for all of your messages.

I feel completely down.
Can't believe this is happening. Can't believe the man I made a baby with is a total dick and act so selfishly. It's like he became another man, and I don't like him.

He constantly nags me, he even used our difference of culture to justify the fact that he haven't proposed yet "You're French, you're direct and you just go for what you want, us, British, we don't like to be pressured" and "It takes me one year to buy a new car so you know I like to take my time".
I don't know if I want to laugh or cry as it's all so ridiculous.

I am going to take my life back. I can't continue like that anymore.

Thank you for all of your support and advices.

OP posts:
Xiolablueviolet · 28/05/2018 11:02

Sadly I don't think he 'became' another man. What you are now seeing is who he really is.

Love blinds you at the beginning to flaws. It seems like everything was fine until you started asking for anything you wanted. Big red flags. I wish I could say this will improve but I think it's unlikely.

Focus on getting more independence and make plans to leave. Good luck.

ReanimatedSGB · 28/05/2018 11:55

Yeah, this is who he really is - a selfish,controlling dick who thinks women are inferior to men.
You'll be much better off without him in your life.

rainingcatsanddog · 28/05/2018 12:12

Do you really want a proposal after all this drama? He will be proposing because you told him to and should you ever split up or have a major argument then it will be thrown in your face.

Frenchintheuk · 28/05/2018 12:30

@Xiolablueviolet Yes, I just realised that. As long as I was following him and all his wants like a good trained dog he was fine but then as soon as I started to express my own needs, he suddenly became nasty, always nagging me and turning me down. Disgusting. Now it's only my child and myself that matters.

What's "funny" in all this drama is that before him I was pretty strong, never letting anyone telling me what to do, how to do things or imposing me. I naively started to become "softer" with him when he told me about his ex, I didn't want to be perceived as controlling as well and wanted to appear most relaxed and easy going. What a joke, even like that it was never enough! It can't be enough for him. We barely talk at the moment and he doesn't have any idea of my plans, I am waiting to get a job and plans for a flat to tell him I'm leaving him.

@ReanimatedSGB I already told him he was misogynistic by the past. It's more true now than ever.

@rainingcatsanddog No I'm no longer waiting for a proposal. Even if it's happen I would tell him "no" (and would probably be told that I am a b*tch who doesn't know what she wants!). I don't want to marry him anymore. I should not have to fight and beg him for that. As many of people here said, if he truly loved and cared about me, he would have proposed already or booked the office registry instead of blaming me for his laziness or whatever reason he always found.

OP posts:
blackeyes72 · 28/05/2018 12:30

I am also a different culture and nationality and it's a complete red herring. Most of the children in my kid's classes have mixed heritage parents, many women married to British men... So his point is rubbish.

I think you are slowly reassessing whether you want to marry this man.. I wouldn't... He sounds really immature in many aspects of life, maybe you leaving will make him grow up, who knows..

NordicNobody · 28/05/2018 14:08

I naively started to become "softer" with him when he told me about his ex, I didn't want to be perceived as controlling as well and wanted to appear most relaxed and easy going.

That's exactly why he said it. This is the end game of the "controlling ex" story every single time. I am so so glad that you can see this now and that you're taking back control of your life!

fluffyrobin · 28/05/2018 15:16

You are a lovely strong French woman and you don't need to regret meeting him as you have your lovely child.

Take back control, become the strong, dignified independent woman again and be a good role model to your lovely child.

You will look back at this time of your life as a turning point where you took back control of a happy future for you and your child.

I am ashamed of British men who behave like this.

You are too good for him so don't waste a moment longer letting him upset you and bring you down.

You are marvellous. He is an ugly toad inside and a loser.

Good luck op

LeChatDeNuit · 28/05/2018 15:31

Good for you OP. He has ground you down. Get out there and live the life you want to lead, under your own rules. Don’t settle for anything less.

Motoko · 29/05/2018 00:05

I naively started to become "softer" with him when he told me about his ex, I didn't want to be perceived as controlling as well and wanted to appear most relaxed and easy going.

Yep, as Nordic said, this is exactly why men tell the tale of "the controlling ex". You will also be painted as "the controlling ex". He'll possibly say that you tried to force him to get married, because with Brexit coming, you didn't want to get thrown out of the country. He'll also probably say that you deliberately got pregnant, to trap him, by telling him you were on the pill/had the coil fitted, when you weren't/didn't. Blah, blah, blah.

I'm happy to hear you're taking back control. At least you got something really precious out of this relationship-your child.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 29/05/2018 02:13

When he is old and infirm and wants a free nurse...he will propose and marry you then.

It is good you have made this ‘discovery’ now. Good riddance!

fluffyrobin · 29/05/2018 02:33

Stop cooking and cleaning for him for starters!
Only do things for yourself and your baby.

ragingmentalist · 29/05/2018 15:23

Leave him.

He doesn't want to marry you because you have gone full mental on him & he's pushing back.

You're both as bad as each other.

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