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Infidelity Support Thread for the Betrayed Party- Part 2

188 replies

WhatAreYouLookingAt · 07/05/2018 06:46

Infidelity support thread for the betrayed party
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3015947-infidelity-support-thread-for-the-betrayed-party

Although I was a bit late to the party, I thought it would be a good idea to continue on with the thread.

The thread is a place for ranting, raving and general trying not to go full out crazy in real life while we deal with the crap that our spouses are putting us through.

OP posts:
Alfiemoon1 · 11/09/2018 11:51

I don’t know starlight I guess only you can decide is more mc or individual counselling an opinion or could u have a trial separation?
Good luck with what ever you decide to do x

cheeseandbiscuitsonly · 13/09/2018 07:25

Have NC, but have been following your story Sparkle and didn't want to think you were alone.
It is the most painful thing an adult can go through emotionally. No person, book, course, therapy can prepare you for the shattering emotions finding out about an affair. Your whole world is rocked.
Countless stories on MN about getting through, so it can be done. It has been about 8 months (is that right?) You know emotions change and go up and down and you may even feel differently in the last few days. 2 years is a good benchmark for recovery. It is down to YOU. Do you feel you want to fight this for another year? It is what is best for YOU.
I hope you are in a better place today. Lots of hugs and hand holds for you Flowers

StarlightSparkle · 14/09/2018 20:12

Thanks Alfie and Cheese.

I’m going to give it at least until the rest of the year to see if I feel differently. Not so long ago I was in a really good place and happy about my decision to stay, so maybe I can get that feeling back. I guess there’s a reason that all the advice suggests it takes 2 years to recover. I naively thought we could recover more quickly but maybe the ups and downs are a necessary part of the healing process.

ppandj · 14/09/2018 23:32

Sympathising with so many of your posts. A year on so much has changed for us but so much seems the same. One thing I am struggling with still is the personality transplant issue, he seems to go in and out of phases of being loving, kind and warm to going back to selfishness, cold and critical. The difference now is I am so much stronger and not standing for it as much, but feel that it needs to drastically change for me to be happy in the relationship. He says bad habits take time and that things are changing slowly, but doesn't realise the damage he does while being selfish and irritable does not go away. I just feel very frustrated really, he says he feels like I've given up.
It's wearing to say the least.

PollyFlinderz · 15/09/2018 05:31

@HattieAndHerBoy I'm sorry to butt in on this thread but your paragraph rang so many bells with me

Have you had counselling? Have you had the chance to ask someone to help you to understand why its so important to you that this man loves you? What is it about your make up/self esteem that has you hell bent on being the one your husband loves? Is it some kind of competition you have to win? Do you actually want him or is it that you don't want to be the 'loser' in this and for her to have him. Why do you not think you're worth more than this? Is a song worth this?

Is this something you've read up about? Can you please point me in the right direction

Chinup, I’m sorry I’ve taken so long to find your post.

I can’t really point you to anything I’ve read because most of what I’ve read started off as a few words I’d hear inside my head that I’d then google. So it was just little seeds being planted at the correct time. In fact reading a whole book on the subject of ‘how to get over an affair’ for eg wouldn’t have been for me because as far as I’m aware no one has ever written a book about me. I much preferred the bite sized pieces of reading as they popped up in my head because they were exactly about me - they were my thoughts.

The most important bit of all though was knowing that I deserved better. Not that coming to that conclusion came easy. I had to work very hard on myself before I could finally hear the voice telling me - you are worth so much more than this, you deserve better, you are too good for this etc etc etc.

The reality is that if you have low or poor self esteem you’ll put up with things in life that aren’t that great. You’ll even perhaps think you’ve got things sorted. But the reality is that the kind of sorted a person with low self esteem thinks is good wouldnt actually be good enough at all for anyone else who’s emotionally healthy and has good self esteem.

Oh and something else that made me think about things was my husband telling me ‘you won’ and I blurted out to him whilst laughing hysterically - yep, I won the booby prize. He of course thought I’d made a great joke but the truth is it’s what my self was telling me. Jeez it was scary when I’d stopped laughing hysterically and thought about it; That we don’t always need a brass band playing in our ear telling us there’s no going back because very often it’s the little whisper at the back of our mind or deep in our heart we should be listening to.

Five years on from separating me and my adult children are well and happy. We’ve never done the jumping up and down with glee regarding the very sad turn of events in our life but we do live peacefully knowing it was the best thing for us and our long term happiness. And that’s another thing - there doesn’t have to be fanfare when a marriage ends. It doesn’t have to be shouted from the rooftops. Not feeling the need to make a party out of ending a marriage doesn’t mean your marriage is still right for you.

Finally, I think if a person is at a crossroads in their life they really do need to know exactly what their self esteem has made of them before they make their decisions.

FrancesDestroyed · 21/09/2018 10:30

It's 18 months since I discovered H's affair and 14 months since it finished...she contacted him 12 months ago. She's getting divorced now and is living with yet another bloke!
Yesterday, I was discharged from the breast cancer clinic, it's 6 clear years since my diagnosis, mastectomy and treatment.
I just feel numb.
We've been married for 23 years and together for 28. My youngest son is 16, eldest is 20.
Why don't I feel anything?
I'm sure he hasn't been honest about how far it went, he's never told me anything, just grudgingly admitted to what I have rock solid proof of. Even the continuation of the affair texts he won t admit to, he held his phone high and deleted them, he wouldn't let me see them, then claimed they were purely work related. I don't go through the trauma of tell me the truth now. I say something like, "Whilst you were still sexting each other," he'll deny it and I just say something like, "yeah, right." I've told him that I just don't believe him and that he'll never tell me the truth where that woman's concerned.
So, I should be celebrating and on top of the world, but I just feel nothing, totally flat.
Everyone tells me how fantastic I look, my figure etc, so why do I not get blokes chatting me up wanting dates? If I did leave, would I end up alone? I'm 50 and people are always shocked when I tell them. The OW was half my age, but nothing, totally plain and uninspiring...I think he liked showing off and feeling big. I'm the main earner in our household and always have been. I'm a professional at the top of my field.
How has it come to this?
I'm used to making crucial decisions daily, but i feel that I'm waiting for someone to tell me what to do.
What a mess.
Sorry for the essay

yetmorecrap · 21/09/2018 10:57

I think it’s the flat feeling that’s the killer Frances. The realisation that you were not so ‘unbelievably amazingly vital’ to this person that they couldn’t resist the ego buzz. It’s not that they don’t I feel love or care for you too but that they cannot resist that opportunity to get more cake!! Problem is I do feel the majority of guys if they think they won’t be caught out are successor I left to this nonsense

PollyFlinderz · 21/09/2018 11:07

Francis. I’ll tell you what to do.

LEAVE HIM.

you have a wonderful future ahead of you.

Just don’t waste another day of your life on him.

Why do you not get blokes chatting you up. To be honest I think they can probable sense the despair you’re in, your unhappiness, but I suspect they also probably think you’re right out of their league.

You’ve been through hell on earth with your breast cancer. You deserve to be heading off into a new life grabbing it with both hands. Just don’t waste another day of your hard fought for good health on this man. Just leave him. Because it really is ok if you do.

FrancesDestroyed · 21/09/2018 11:20

When I split up from my other boyfriend, we'd been together 3 years, my Mum said I was used goods. A divorce would kill her, she's looking after my Dad who has quite bad Alzheimer's.

Screaminginsidemeagain · 21/09/2018 19:07

Francis a divorce won’t kill your mum. You deserve to be happy. Tellingyou you were used goods is cruel.
Why will you divorcing effect her life apart from having a happier daughter?
You H isn’t being a safe partner, it doesn’t sound like he is even trying. Why should you?

It’s been 9 month for me and it’s been a tough 9 months. I’ve had several deaths in family and friends, dealing with my child’s rare disease. It feels like I can’t take anymore, that this is the last straw and then something else comes along to smack me in the gut.

Feeling flat would be a step up- I feel trapped and panicked. Got a gp appointment for all this coming up.

PollyFlinderz · 21/09/2018 19:26

When I split up from my other boyfriend, we'd been together 3 years, my Mum said I was used goods. A divorce would kill her, she's looking after my Dad who has quite bad Alzheimer's.

What an absolutely horrific thing for someone to say about anyone let alone a mum saying it about her daughter. But that said it does explain your lack of self esteem and your struggles to leave your marriage - Your whole life seems to have been built on toxic relationships if what your mum said is anything to go by. You don’t know any better and you don’t know you deserve better.

Would a divorce kill your mum? No. It most certainly would not. And I can promise you that based on being a lifelong carer to my now adult son who’s condition is so severe he now requires 2-1 round the clock care with a third person always being in the vicinity. He’s still at home with me and Ive still managed to weather many of the things that come with having lots of adult children, and no many grandchildren, whilst looking after my boy.

I just wish you could break free and spend time learning who you are and saying hello Francis, you really are quite something and it’s time you believed that.

PollyFlinderz · 21/09/2018 19:28

Can you both look at it this way?

Doing it the way you’ve been doing it isn’t working and it’s now time to try it a different way.

FrancesDestroyed · 21/09/2018 20:12

Screaming, that's awful. You're caring for your son and he's deceiving you behind your back? What happens to these men that we've loved and trusted all these years?

PollyFlinderz · 22/09/2018 04:19

What happens to these men that we've loved and trusted all these years?

You can live a lifetime asking this question when the reality is that it doesn’t matter.

funicorn · 22/09/2018 07:22

Frances I have been where you were ( same life stage) and gave him another chance when he begged to stay . It was a waste of 5 years of my life . He did not leave for his previous OW in the end but for his own "happiness" . He is now with his previous OW several years down the line .You are living in a shit situation - what you said above about him holding the phone high and deleting was horrible - you will never trust him not to do the same again . I am now living on my own and have met a lovely man who fidelity is important to ( yes I do know that he could change ) .I have learnt a lot and I am so glad that I did not spend the rest of my life with a man who was undeserving of me . You sound like a strong woman who is just poised to take that next step . Just do it .

2018anewstart · 22/09/2018 07:50

I have read a lot of these stories on here with interest. What I will say is that no one can tell you when to get out of a relationship only you can decide. My stbxh had an affair for 4 years. I found a text he had sent 4 years ago he said it had just been a kiss. Had suspicions for 18 months he lied through his back teeth and I found out they were still in contact. He said they were just friends but I asked him to leave. 3 months apart but then he worked his way back into my life took him back after a few weeks back together discovers he had had an affair with OW for past 2 years. He pleaded with me said massive mistake never do it again blah, blah, blah and we stayed together. I spent 4 years if my life going from a happy go lucky person to crying and being unhappy for most of the time. My husband was like Jekyll and hyde. One minute lovely the next cold and cruel. I knew this was not a normal relationship but I didn't have the strength to leave. He always said he was happy but I had to stop doubting him as I was going to ruin this relationship. Now I am out of this relationship how do I feel? I know I made the right decision. I am devastated that my children are not growing up in a family unit however their dad was such a useless dad they are better off without him around. I wish I had the support of a loving partner around however my husband was never going to be that he is a selfish self obsessed materialistic idiot. There are tough times but not because I miss him. All the advice I would give if that is your partner has had an affair and you've taken them back they should be making 100% effort. Treating you right being nice to you if they are not it its time to leave. Don't worry about being on your own better to be happy single than in a miserable relation shop. I feel at 43 I have the chance if happiness again and my stbxh has lost out on a lovely life.

2018anewstart · 22/09/2018 08:00

One question to ask yourself is what would you say at your partners funeral? A bit morbid I know! My stbxh had gone to a work colleagues funeral and said people had said so many nice things about her. He said I don't know what people would say at mine. I told him not to be stupid. However I spent hours awake at night thinking what would I say. I couldn't even say he worked hard and was dedicated to his job (as he had been sleeping around during work time). I now realise out of the relationship he didn't have any qualities I admired.

Screaminginsidemeagain · 22/09/2018 15:43

Oh god. I have been thinking about this exact thing as well. As I said we’ve had a lots of deaths recently and i’m Finding that during the eulogy I’m crying because I couldn’t honestly say I had a good husband and great father if he died.

He keeps on about me loving him but I don’t anymore - he killed that over the past 8 years.

He’s working so hard but...

I’m trying to avoid the affair threads because they are making my heart race and my chest ache.

StarlightSparkle · 22/09/2018 20:54

Screaming it sounds like you’ve had such a tough year. I’m sorry you’re having to go through so much.

My situation hasn’t changed. I still feel like I can’t do this anymore. Over the past month we’ve done lots of nice things which usually I’d love (holiday, weekend away, nice meals) but something is missing and I can’t enjoy them like I used to. I can still have a good time to a degree, but under it all I feel like I’m playing happy families but we’re not really the happy family we seem, as he broke our wedding vows and had sex with another woman. It feels like I’m faking it.

When he’s away on business I’m still so paranoid even though when I check up on him I find he’s telling the truth. I don’t want to have to wonder what he’s really doing when he’s not with me. I want someone I can trust implicitly and not have to worry about these things (though I may never have that again after this).

I want someone who, when it’s our anniversary, I can big them up on fb about how much I love them instead of spending my anniversary crying about everything that’s been lost.

I want to feel like it’s us against the world, an amazing team and no matter what adversity comes our way we can conquer it together. I don’t feel like that anymore and I don’t think I ever will.

For me, it’s becoming less of an if I’ll leave him and more of a when. As we’ve stayed together for 9 months everyone thinks we’re doing ok so the families will be devastated if I suddenly announce I want a separation after all. My mum has really fragile mental health right now and this would push her over the edge. I also feel so guilty about my children and causing massive upheaval to their lives. At the same time though I can’t keep living a lie and pretending everything is fine. What a huge mess all because he chose a quick shag with a colleague over his wife, children and marriage.

dinnafashsassenach · 22/09/2018 21:33

I'm 12 months from DDay. I'm still as angry and it's still as raw. It's all consuming, especially as I keep bumping into OW in my local area. I hear you all

PollyFlinderz · 23/09/2018 04:06

My mum has really fragile mental health right now and this would push her over the edge

No. It wouldn’t. And I say that as someone who’s mum died in our local psychiatric hospital.

But just for the sake of it let’s work on the possibility that it might - surely you can see if someone is so unwell then anything would push that person over the edge. Absolutely anything at all. How do you prevent that?

But all of that aside - I’m really sorry your mum isn’t well. I know full well what it’s like and I hope she’s getting the best care possible from her Drs because It shouldn’t be that she’s in the situation where something could push her over the edge.

onlykinda · 23/09/2018 07:11

Sparkle, while it is admirable you are taking in to account everyone else around you, what about you? Why should YOU continue to suffer to make everyone else happy? Your mum may have poor mental health, but as someone who suffers badly from that too I can tell you that news wouldn't push me over the edge, nor should you accept the responsibility of it. It isn't YOU who has done this, it is your 'd' H. If you continue trying to fake it til you make it for everyone around you, you too will soon suffer poor mental health as you are trying too hard for the wrong reasons.
Many have got over affairs (IRL I have known a few who just carry on as normal, it doesn't seem to even bother them. They just accept it and carry on) but if it is affecting you to the point that 9 months on you are still upset to this extent, then you have to consider yourself more and what is best for YOU

StarlightSparkle · 24/09/2018 07:22

Thanks for the responses.

I have sort of been thinking about myself as my head says it’s better to stay. As well as the obvious, providing a family unit for the children, etc, there would be two of us to look after the children, I keep my comfortable lifestyle (H is a high earner and I work PT) and beautiful house. My life will be easier with him here. Leaving means selling my lovely home, as I couldn’t afford it alone, and spending a lot less time with my children, plus being broke. My heart says leave though as I want someone I can trust and feel like I don’t want to be with him anymore.

Screaminginsidemeagain · 24/09/2018 14:38

Oh sparkle snap!

I cried again last night- he was a bit Confused as he thought we were doing okay. He made a comment that sent my spider senses tingling while trying to comfort me. The timeline just doesn’t add up.
I’m faking my life, i’m Faking calm, I’m faking happy, I’m faking everything

Screaminginsidemeagain · 24/09/2018 14:38

I’m so lonely- I lost the person I thought was my best female friend as well.

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