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What do you think when you hear someone is renewing their wedding vows?

270 replies

Mytwistedimagination · 06/05/2018 03:26

Just that. Do you see it as a positive or negative? Do you assume there's a particular reason behind it?

(Reading that back, it sounds like journo fishing. It's not, believe me!)

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liquidrevolution · 06/05/2018 15:10

I'd give it 5 years max would be my thought. And this is all from real life friends and relations doing vow renewals and then breaking up afterwards.

Oblomov18 · 06/05/2018 15:12

I think they are either recovering from an affair, or just a bit showing off. I mean why, seriously why?

GorgonLondon · 06/05/2018 15:13

that post was funny

We'll have to agree to differ on that. But in any case,dressing up scorn and contempt under a veneer of apparent humour doesn't really hide it.

What I do not appreciate are people who know nothing about me informing me that my marriage is on the rocks, that I've had an affair, that my husband has had an affair, that I am morally suspect ('attention seeking", 'self indulgent' etc....you people really don't have much to boast about, do you?) and so on and so on. THAT is hateful behaviour - I'm inclined to think jealous behaviour - and I will call it such.

No one is saying that they do think you or your husband has had an affair, they are saying that's what they would think if they were invited to a vow renewal.

personally in your position I would find it quite useful to know that many people would make those assumptions because they won't say it in real life.

What on earth do you think people are jealous of? A big wedding or a vow renewal would be my worst nightmare for me personally.

If you are saying that people whose marriages have broken down through divorce or death are jealous of those whose marriages have lasted, well that's pretty unpleasant for you to be gloating then isn't it?

Southamber · 06/05/2018 15:17

we did because I was amazed we'd got to 10 years. We also had a small 'intimate' wedding and I wanted to invite peopl that missed the first time. However, my shyness struck and I found our first time was the wedding that was right for us. It was lovely having our children there and felt so much like a confirmation of being a family. We're divorced now Blush

PositivelyPERF · 06/05/2018 15:23

Gosh, I wonder how many of my very close friends and family were thinking PERF and her dying husband are just showing off, by reaffirming their love for each other and spending time with those wonderful people that may never see Mr PERF again before he dies?

missyB1 · 06/05/2018 15:31

I know what you mean PERF most of the comments on this thread are so small minded and spiteful!
Thankfully my family and friends understand the struggles DH and I have had with cancer the last couple of years, and will wish us all the best when we reaffirm our love and commitment to each other. I wouldn’t have time in my life for anyone that leapt to nasty conclusions.

PositivelyPERF · 06/05/2018 15:36

I’m sorry you and you’re husband are going through that, missyB1, and I hope you have a wonderful day. I wonder if some of them are unhappy in their own marriages and that’s where the spite is coming from? The level of vitriol and mocking is quite something to read.

DioneTheDiabolist · 06/05/2018 15:41

I would think "Yoohoo, a party!"Grin My PiLs renewed theirs on their 40th Anniversary. It was lovely. Dsis1 is planning a renewal on her 10th anniversary. She did not enjoy her actual wedding and was so upset about it that her DH promised her this on their honeymoon. I'm sure it'll be great craic.

But then I love weddings and other parties. The ones I go to tend to be joyous occasions.

Helmetbymidnight · 06/05/2018 15:44

Of course, to each his/her own but it's fun to speculate what's really going on underneath a renewal of vows - why the desire to do it? What is the message here?

And yes, the poster who openly admitted that she gets pleasure in speculating on other people's marriages does need to find something better to do

Er, you did twist it somewhat. When I said speculate, I meant I might for a couple of seconds wonder why they are bothering. That's it. I can assure you, it certainly doesn't interfere with my ability to lead a normal functioning life WITH very exciting hobbies.

MaisyPops · 06/05/2018 15:45

Gosh, I wonder how many of my very close friends and family were thinkingPERFand her dying husband are just showing off, by reaffirming their love for each other and spending time with those wonderful people that may never see Mr PERF again before he dies?
My guess would be that close friends and family would know the situation and thinking nothing more than what a sad situation and isn't it lovely they are reaffirming their love in such situations.

It's a bit different to 'we are having another wedding with a few hundred guests just because'.

I'm guessing most people can tell the difference between a situation like yours and the 'we want a party but couldn't possibly just have an anniversary party, no we want another wedding'.

If a couple wish to celebrate their love and commitment then a lovely anniversary party would suffice. The bit that makes me think someone has broken their vows is the renewing vows. Surely if they ain't broken, you don't need a big flashy party to prove somethinh to the world.

GreenItWas · 06/05/2018 15:49

See to me vows are vows and you only need to say them once. There's no harm in having a, 'Yay! we're still standing' party or just a, y'know, a party. It doesn't mean people have a nasty mind to think, 'Mmmm something is up with those vows then!' It's a fairly natural conclusion surely? Perhaps we need to call it something else? Most people don't voice their negative opinions and we are all entitled to this face : / when we are invited to a renewal of vows if that's how we feel. Why would we be expected to suppress it?

I'm not jealous. I found being the centre of attention at my wedding enough for a lifetime. No chance of wanting to do that again. Grin

BubblingUp · 06/05/2018 15:54

All of the couples I know who renewed their vows ended up divorced anyway, so I associate vow-renewal with a last ditch effort to save a marriage.

byanyothernamerose · 06/05/2018 15:57

I disagree with most on this post...I see it as romantic and a couple so deeply in love that they want to declare it again to their family and friends...but I am a bit of cheesy romantic!!

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 06/05/2018 16:00

I find it a bit off. The only people I know who have renewed are either keen or showing off or had an affair.

Kettlepotblack · 06/05/2018 16:05

I would think they are trying to prove something to everyone, therefore have had some kind of major issue in their marriage that they are trying have a fresh start from. Not always cheating, but most likely to be.

Nine times out of ten a renewal will mean divorce in the future. Probably because there was hope that a big ceremony would somehow cancel out all the hurt and resentment, but after the dust settles they find that's not the magic solution and the same old issues rear their ugly head.

FrancisUnderwood · 06/05/2018 16:05

Another 'cheating' I'm afraid.

PoorYorick · 06/05/2018 18:46

Er, you did twist it somewhat. When I said speculate, I meant I might for a couple of seconds wonder why they are bothering.

If you backpedal any faster, you'll hit the ocean. You REALLY need something better to do. I hear burlesque dancing is great fun and forms close female friendships.

I really should know better than to look at threads like this. I know they're always full of braying fools with so little to boast about that turning other people's relationships into moral issues is all they've got. Still, on the off chance that anyone here really can't understand and wants to know...

Why do it?

Short answer: Because we want to. That's all we need.

Long answer: In our case, we always wanted to get married in the European city where we got engaged. For various boring reasons, that wasn't possible. We're now at a stage where we actually can take our immediate family away for a couple of days, and mock it up. We love the idea, our family get a free mini-break, I get to wear the dress a second time, the thought just makes us happy. We just bloody want to.

Which of you cheated?

Neither. Is that really so hard to understand?

But I can see why a couple struggling to get past infidelity might have a second ceremony to mark a fresh start. Might not work, but then the problem is the infidelity, not the vow renewal. Would you sneer at them going to couples counselling or moving to a new city to try to make a fresh start?

And if your issue is that someone cheated, they're renewing vows and they invited you, well, aren't you just as pure as the driven snow. If it offends you so much, don't go.

Why not do it on your golden wedding anniversary?

What? Why would we wait 40-odd years until our parents are dead for something we want to do now? Who's to say we'll both live that long? Carpe diem, my friend. I want to do it while I'm young and beautiful.

I think it's self indulgent.

Everything is self indulgent if you're going to look at it that way. Yes, we are doing it for no reason other than it makes us happy. As the song goes, I work at pleasing me 'cause I can't please you.

It's a waste of money.

It's our money and we'll spend it as we wish.

It's attention seeking.

You're right. I do want my husband and family to pay some attention to me. Guilty as charged. What is this MN obsession with 'attention seeking'? Why do so many of you want us all to live our lives in shrouds being ignored all the time? If you don't want to give your attention, don't give it. Whence all this absolute spitefulness?

I know someone who renewed their vows and got divorced five seconds later.

Good for you. I know someone who divorced without ever renewing their vows so clearly your marriage is fucked.

You're just trying to prove something.

Yes, that we will do as we please with our own time and money, affecting nobody else. My God, do you really think we're going to this trouble and expense to impress YOU? Good thing you're not invited, we'd never get your ego past customs.

It's IMMORAL. It makes you a LESSER PERSON.

My conscience is completely clear on this one. Honestly. I have done some bad things in my life that I am not proud of, but this really, really isn't one of them.

BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA!

I can totally live with that.

Ok, I think I got them all. Just to recap, though - I really, really do not care if you renew your vows or not. You do you, etc. Please just remember that not everyone is you, and sometimes people just like things that you don't like, it's not a crime and they're probably not going to be punished for it. Sorry.

GorgonLondon · 06/05/2018 19:27

i know they're always full of braying fools with so little to boast about that turning other people's relationships into moral issues is all they've got.

Well, you certainly sound secure and happy with your own choices Grin

PoorYorick · 06/05/2018 19:35

Well, you certainly sound secure and happy with your own choices

Wow, that's a zinger. I am dazzled and blindsided by your originality. You have utterly ruined me. I prostrate myself.

And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you pesky kids.

missyB1 · 06/05/2018 19:38

Excellent post PoorYorick love it!

GorgonLondon · 06/05/2018 19:39

Honestly Yorick every time you post you sound more... distraught. I do lots of things that I suspect most mumsnetters would disapprove of, but I wouldn't spend all day on a thread about them desperately trying to get one over on those who don't like them. It doesn't seem to be doing you much good. I hope your event brings you the attention you want from your husband and family.

PoorYorick · 06/05/2018 19:42

Honestly Yorick every time you post you sound more... distraught

That's very sweet of you, but don't worry about it. I am fine.

I do lots of things that I suspect most mumsnetters would disapprove of, but I wouldn't spend all day on a thread about them desperately trying to get one over on those who don't like them.

I think we've established that I do things you wouldn't do, so we don't need to labour the point. But on a point of fact, I have been touching in and out throughout the day around other stuff, much like everyone else on here. I assume.

I hope your event brings you the attention you want from your husband and family.

Of course it will. Why would I do it if my husband and family didn't show up?

You're reminding me of those weird people who warned me not to be late for my wedding. Why? What were they going to do, start without me?

We are supposed to be discussing renewal of vows. I love attention, of course, so I'm quite happy for you to sit there talking about me instead, but I don't imagine it's very interesting for everyone else. So if you want to talk about me, please take it into PM. I'm very happy to talk about me there. Go on. Ask me anything. I'm a nice person.

Riversleep · 06/05/2018 19:43

I'd think affair too. You've made your vows til death do you part anyway so s renewal is only necessary if they've been broken. If a couple are renewing when they clearly aren't happy I'd say it was a last ditch attempt to persuade themselves and others that it was working.

MintChocAddict · 06/05/2018 20:05

fairnotfair Grin Just you and me then Wink

'Pete, some people would turn you away'

Pengggwn · 06/05/2018 20:06

I think of Pete and Dawn:

"Lights will gui-ui-ui-de you home. And ig-ni-i-i-te your bones. And I will try...to fix you."