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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

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Butterymuffin · 01/05/2018 13:29

The whole situation has been built on the impossibility of your relationship with him given that he was already married. I'm sorry this has hit you so badly but it seems from an outsider perspective that it was always a disaster waiting to blow open. It can be different with someone unattached, in time.

Adora10 · 01/05/2018 13:32

A good guy? Having you as a bit on the side is a good guy, fraid not, that makes him a lying cheating git actually.

You got too close OP, hence him shutting you down now; again, not a good guy, sounds more like a professional cheat to me.

You can romanticise it as much as you please but at the end of the day you were never going to be anything other than a bit on the side; shame you never once cared about his wife's feelings; perhaps now you are tasting a bit of what she has probably went through with him as i doubt this is the first time he's taken up with an OW.

TheFaerieQueene · 01/05/2018 13:36

I didn’t get past your horrible description of his wife.

Shame on you

ArtBrut · 01/05/2018 13:36

OP, in the nicest possible way, this man, and your obsession with him, is a symptom of your illness. You have never actually met him (as far as I can judge?), and he was a supportive online friend, but never gave you any reason to think of your online relationship as anything other than platonic.

You may think his wife is a loon, but then you aren't married to her -- he is, and he's clearly happy with her, and loyal to her, and you say yourself that he never suggested there was any possibility of him leaving her, and that she knew all about his friendship with you.

You are the one who became overly dependent on him, and then changed the goalposts by declaring your love for him not long after threatening suicide, which must have panicked him no end. He doesn't seem to me to have done anything wrong at all. From what you've said, he doesn't ever seem to have led you to think he had romantic feelings for you, or that his marriage was unhappy.

I don't understand where your sense of anger and betrayal is coming from, but I assume it is part of your illness. Do you have someone in real life you can talk to about it, like your GP, or a good counsellor?

TheDrinksAreOnMe · 01/05/2018 13:39

I didn’t get past your horrible description of his wife

Same! You have a one sided story about a woman who’s husband spends time texting strangers and folks on forums. I know where my sympathy lies.

Myheartbelongsto · 01/05/2018 13:43

I got as far as wingnut.

BootyO · 01/05/2018 13:52

I feel really sorry for C, but I also feel sorry for you as you are very ill and you’re in a really awful place emotionally. C is not the cause of your bad feelings - your illness is.

I have been through this (though the guy in my case was a heel and C sounds less so). Met a guy online, he was saying how clever and beautiful and wonderful I was, he was in an “open relationship” (Hmm), we met and had a brief affair, I became infatuated and he got bored and I became straight up CRAZY so he cut contact.

I’m now on better meds and realise he was a cunt and I was a bit too, tbh.

I don’t know what to say but, “move on”.

mickeymacca · 01/05/2018 14:59

I'm sorry you are hurting. I think you need some professional help with this. Do you have a counsellor you could talk it over with? X

DorothyBastard · 01/05/2018 15:08

OP have you done any reading around ‘limerance’? That’s what jumped out at me from your post. I also agree with other posters who have suggested your feelings are a symptom of your mental health problems.

ChiaraRimini · 01/05/2018 15:16

OP you are not well, and the fixation on this man is a symptom. The mental health board here might offer you some support. What RL support do you have now? You need help to deal with your mental health issues before this escalates badly. I'm worried that you are in a vulnerable place and the negative responses that you receive here may be too much for you.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 15:20

Hey guys. I've seen this woman's Tweets on Twitter. It's not a one-sided story of her; I've seen her own words for myself. If the word wingnut offends you, then we are definitely never going to be friends.

The threatening suicide wasn't over him and I never told him that it was. We have both experienced depression, we have talked about suicide before. He also knew I wasn't under immediate threat of death, because the plan I had come up with didn't allow me to carry it out instantly. I know it was wrong to involve him and as soon as I had calmed down, I told him down and never brought up suicide again after that.

I dunno what this mysterious illness everyone is going on about is - I don't have a virus guys.

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sonjadog · 01/05/2018 15:22

I think this got more involved than either of you imagined and the closer you were starting to feel to him, the more worried he was about getting in over his head in something he didn´t really want.

Endings often are sad and hurtful, it is in their nature. This man has meant a lot to you, so it will hurt not to have him around, but do you also have to accept that he has a right to choose his own future, and he hasn't chosen you, sorry. Don't contact him or his wife again. Respect their wishes and also respect yourself. Don't be the person who harasses someone online. You are better than that.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 15:24

Is there no quote button on here?

OP you are not well, and the fixation on this man is a symptom. The mental health board here might offer you some support. What RL support do you have now? You need help to deal with your mental health issues before this escalates badly. I'm worried that you are in a vulnerable place and the negative responses that you receive here may be too much for you.

They stung, but compared to the pain I feel the rest of the time it really is a highly tolerable pain. None of you lot can add to the pain I feel. You can try, but you won't manage it.

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Nikephorus · 01/05/2018 15:30

I have Asperger's and I can relate to an extent with your obsession with him. But I don't think he's really done anything wrong as such - he doesn't sound as if he's offered you anything but close online friendship and there's nothing wrong with that. He's open with his wife about it. People can build up what seems like close relationships online but unfortunately you've read more into it than there is. You need to take a step back & put some distance between you for your sake. Give yourself some time to get your head back in the game without relying on him for an emotional crutch and a fix (because it is like a drug & it screws with your mental health)
And try and find someone proper to talk to about it. You might find that getting the thoughts out of your head help it to feel a bit clearer and a bit better. Otherwise it's just a case of waiting it out till you start to get over it. Fingers crossed...

noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 15:35

I won't get over this.

It isn't just him, a fuck ton of stuff has happened the past year. I can't get help, I can't possibly afford therapy on benefits. It's something I would absolutely do if I was rich, because I do think having somebody neutral, but who cares, to talk to face to face is a massive help.

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 15:40

Also, he was the one who kept on saying stuff like how much our friendship meant to him, how he didn't want to end it to end, how I was the only person apart from his wife and brother he could trust, etc. Maybe you lot could all have seen through it in 10 seconds, but there was a reason why I said I had high functioning autism and zero experience in my opening paragraph. I didn't see through it. He was the one for the vast majority of the 5 years we were together seemed more keen on me than vice versa, chased me up if I went silent for too long.

After we started on WhatsApp, why didn't he see I was changing if he was so neurotypical and expert at reading people? That's a genuine question if anyone can get over my use of the word 'wingnut' for long enough to answer it.

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mzcracker · 01/05/2018 15:40

What a load of overly dramatic nonsense. You don't even know the guy bar the fact he's capable of stringing along a woman who has significant mental health issues.

Slagging off his wife when all you know of her has come from him is just foolish and naive.

Please get a grip.

IrenetheQuaint · 01/05/2018 15:44

Sounds like he was happy with a close online friendship with you, but you pushed him too far with your talk of love and your emotional messages. Basically, you didn't understand where his boundaries were.

Take care of yourself - I hope you can find some help and support.

BulletWithABun · 01/05/2018 15:45

I think you were always just his OW and doubt very much his wife knows all the details about you.

I think you need to accept he doesn't want contact anymore and try to move on. It won't be easy, but I believe you'll feel better without him in your life in the long run.

SayCoolNowSayWhip · 01/05/2018 15:49

OP, I think you over inflated this friendship into something huger in your mind. You were never going to meet him, he's married, this was never going to be more than an online friendship.

I do feel for you, I can see how raw you feel by the words you're using, and I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through in terms of personal tragedy and mental illness / suicide. Depression is a volatile beast and is not to be taken lightly.

I'm not sure coming on here and slagging off OP (as so many MNers love to do) without giving useful advice is very helpful.

OP, you said you couldn't afford therapy on benefits - can you not be referred on the NHS from your GP? There are a lot of free counselling services over the phone as well - iTalk I think is one. Would this be something you could look into?

It seems to me like no one is trying to help you, and you're too scared to trust anyone to ask for help, but do ask. You could clearly benefit from some one to one talking and some CBT.

Lanaa · 01/05/2018 15:52

Google limerance. I think that because of your poor mental health you've created an imaginary situation that doesn't exist. The man hasn't actually done anything to encourage you but you've created a situation where the wife is evil and you as OW will save the day. The actual narrative is different.

You seem scarily obsessed- why are you looking at his wives twitter and sending her abuse? I think he's realised this and that's why he's blocked you. He went cold as soon as you told him you love him. That's because he doesn't feel the same. Leave him alone.

You need to go to your GP and ask to talk to someone. It's not healthy.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 15:57

No I can't be referred on the NHS. Spoken to my GP tons of times already, there is no therapy or counselling to be had in my county.

I'm on the edge and not 'cos of anyone here. Whilst 99% of you have the empathy of old leather boots, you're not what's tipping me over. This guy leaving me in the lurch, which he had never ever done before, is what is tipping me.

My brother killed himself last year, my one and only local friend died of something else. Tons of guilt surrounding both.

Plus chronic physical disease (a fairly serious one), family estrangement, emotional abuse from dad and mum, etc. etc.

Obvious I leant too much on C, but why didn't he see it months before I exploded?????

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Littleredboat · 01/05/2018 16:01

Exactly what Lanaa said. Word for word.

You think we are all piling on you. But here’s a question: why would we do that? Isn’t it more likely we can see the situation clearly from our non emotionally involved vantage points?

noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 16:01

You seem scarily obsessed- why are you looking at his wives twitter and sending her abuse? I think he's realised this and that's why he's blocked you. He went cold as soon as you told him you love him. That's because he doesn't feel the same. Leave him alone.

I'm on Twitter myself. C and his wife added me years ago.

You need to go to your GP and ask to talk to someone. It's not healthy.

Ah yes, the mythical "help" which doesn't exist for poor people. My GP is nice, but she can't magic up therapy and services which don't exist.

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 16:06

You think we are all piling on you. But here’s a question: why would we do that? Isn’t it more likely we can see the situation clearly from our non emotionally involved vantage points?

I'm still not getting why he was writing gushing stuff about me up to 6 days before cutting me off.

How did he fail to read me so badly? If I was so desperate and obessive and creepy, why didn't he spot it earlier in me?

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