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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

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Mannix · 02/05/2018 06:54

Hi OP, it’s hard replying to this post as you seem to be in such a dark and difficult place that it’s hard to know what to say that could possibly help you.

But FWIW I do think he acted inappropriately towards you, however he almost certainly didn’t mean to hurt you as much as he has. I agree with the poster who said that you may be overestimating the ability of a NT person to read other people. Everyone gets it wrong all the time! I think this guy genuinely thought he was being helpful and supportive of you, while also being honest and upfront about his wife, but at the same time he acted in a way that was damaging to your mental health. That doesn’t mean that he did it deliberately, or lied to you (I agree that the lies you mention in your post aren’t so much lies as the normal inconsistencies we all suffer from when we’re trying to explain something that’s hard to explain). He may have done it with the best intentions but it was wrong of him to behave in a way that sent mixed messages to you. He sounds rather arrogant to me? I think he enjoyed being your knight in shining armour.

I’m sorry he let you down and I wish you all the best with your recovery.

Belladonna123 · 02/05/2018 07:07

OP I only want to offer a kind word. Im sorry you are going through this pain and I hope you can get through it. It's obvious from your post that you are suffering. That's awful for anyone. Take care Flowers

ReginaBlitzkreig · 02/05/2018 07:13

First of all, I just want to say how sorry I am that you lost your brother and friend. I've never been in your precise situation but I do know what it's like to be in despair. To have to face that without the most important people in your life doesn't bear thinking about.
I believe you entirely about the lsck of MH services. A relative of mine was in exactly the same situation.
It is worth seeing what charity and private provision is available. Talk to MIND: even their non-therapeutic services like drop-ins are worth considering. A safe place to go to where you don't have to pretend all is well is valuable. Also try BACP and other professional bodies as some practitioners will offer free or low cost sessions to the unwaged.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/05/2018 07:16

Even as an NT person, I would be incredibly confused by the sort of messages he sent you. Tbh they are very strange and a bit creepy especially considering you’ve never met and he’s married.

I’m sorry he’s hurt you so much. If your gp cannot offer you therapy, I think you could perhaps consider changing medication. I understand you can’t get any more sleeping tablets but is there something you can get to bolster your mental health? My concern if I were treating you is that you may end up having another breakdown and it’s disgusting you are being offered nothing. Please continue to pester your gp to be referred and hopefully you will be eventually - at some stage a budget will be released and you need to be listed as being in need if such a list exists.

I don’t understand the outrage from some people on here. You clearly are not in a good place, have not even met this man and mumsnet should be about supporting you, not berating you. As pps have said, you actually have no idea who this man actually is. He could have been pretending all along or be a sick and sadistic bastard. You sound very vulnerable.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/05/2018 07:26

Regina
Just seen your message. I didn’t know you could self refer to MIND. Yes, definitely do this noughtsandcrosses.

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 02/05/2018 08:48

Have you ever met this guy in person? People can get more emotionally involved with strangers that live hundreds of miles a way because they don’t think there is a threat but that doesn’t mean that he feels the same as you or is prepared to do the same for you.

He is not a medical professional, and even if he was, he cannot really assess who you are and how your mental health is based on online interactions. So although I think the messages from him you posted are weird, you also need to take responsibility by vetting the kind of interactions you maintain. For what is worth, when it comes to online interactions, you may as well have been talking with an articulate teenager.

Over the last few weeks, this guy has been telling you right, left and centre that he has not seen you as anything but a friend. No pushing him around or grilling him will get him to confess he loves you back because he doesn’t. Even if he misled you in the past, people has the right to change their minds. He is clearly saying “no” this time and you need to respect that regardless of your feelings and what he did in the past. “No” means “no”, it is not in your power to change things, so as painful as it is, you really need to back off, because putting more pressure on him will only make the things worse.

It is a horrible situation to be in but, I assume it’s also a bad one for him to put up with. He does not love you, you need to drop it, as painful as it is.

leghoul · 02/05/2018 09:35

OP, you are not well. This man has nothing to do with it really. It was quite right of him to cut contact as soon as you mentioned your suicidality, rather than the issue of loving him. Him being any part of your life however remotely is obviously not good for your mental health but you cannot blame him for your feelings of rejection. He is married and lives in Canada, and has never met you.

You need to realise this is a symptom of your mental health overall. It's not at all uncommon for this sort of thing to happen in people but now it's come to a head, your priority must be getting help for how you have been feeling about ending your life/harming yourself.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 02/05/2018 13:36

Hi folks.

I was over at my parents' yesterday. Met for the first time in six months after an estrangement that began shortly after my brother's suicide. Spent most of the day crying tbh. But I did learn some new facts about my brother, some of which were rather harrowing, while others were just interesting things that I hadn't known about him before. It may have been the ending of a relationship which planted the seeds for his eventual death: the girl left him to return to her native country, and he couldn't hack where he was living after that, so he moved countries - to the one he killed himself in (my brother had lived abroad for nearly 20 years). I don't think he ever grew fond of the country he ended up in, but apparently resisted efforts to persuade him to move, saying he was too old, didn't have energy etc.

Also I found out that my brother had made a suicide attempt shortly before his 'successful' attempt. Apparently he ended up in a hospital and had a horrific experience there. My brother's friend theorised my brother probably used all his powers of persuasion to be let out of the hospital and then became more determined next time not to fail. That rings such a true bell, I can't tell you. Most of you disapproved of me dumping on C about suicide, and I agree with you - it was wrong. In my defense I genuinely that a) he could handle it and b) I didn't want to tell my mental health team because I was absolutely terrified of ending up back in the psychiatric ward, especially under a more strict INvoluntary sectioning.

Anyway, last night my mum gave me a sleeping pill. Shockingly, it worked and I got 9 hours of uninterrupted sleep. So for the first time in months perhaps, I don't feel like a walking, talking zombie. On the other hand, the pain is still there, as raw as ever.

I just miss him. I can't imagine that I will never speak to him again, never send another Whatsapp message, or another photo. I mean, this afternoon is covered at least, but then after that the utter emptiness will descend again.

I have suicidal ideation. I can't act on it. I just can't. Not while my parents are still alive or compos mentis. But I have lost all hope of happiness. Life to me is nothing but a literal pain and endurance fest now; if by some chance I do find a scrap of happiness somewhere, it is dashed almost instantly. That's been the pattern of my whole life, but in the past when I was younger and had better physical health it was easier to cope with.

But I have a chronic disease, Crohn's, which also has resulted in several knock-off manifestations outside of the bowels. I've got chronic eye inflammation, and although it's being monitored, there's still a chance that one day I could go blind from it.

I'm only 43 but I'm already so tired of life and just enduring it every day.

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Butterymuffin · 02/05/2018 14:00

OP you've had a really bad time of it. Be easy on yourself. Look at getting therapy that will help you for now. Can you stay with your parents for a while so they can look after you?

Thespringsthething · 02/05/2018 16:19

It sounds like seeing your parent was a positive step. How difficult finding out about your brother's life. You have had a hard time. I don't know what I could say in response other than do just go one day at a time. Good luck, OP.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 02/05/2018 22:41

Update, if anyone is interested... :-/

@Butterymuffin - Sadly, no, staying with my parents is not on the list of possible options. I'm going over on Saturday, where my brother (other brother obviously...) will be there.

I went to my volunteer place today, where I talked to a member of staff at break. She phoned up the mental health centre, and a woman came round to see me and we talked for about an hour and a half. She was very very good. She even offered to chase up some counselling for me, both regular and grief counselling; and yes, I have asked my GP/support worker/other people about counselling over the years. They always said it wasn't available for one reason or another.

Also going to have a med review. Frankly I don't care what antidepressant I'm on, so long as it doesn't turn me into a zombie, as none of them work anyway. (I'm on duloxetine and it didn't prevent this!!) But I do want something for sleep and/or anxiety.

Not heard from my friend, obviously. Still miss him. Reread my final rage-stricken, profanity-stricken messages to him on Twitter (sent after he blocked me on Whatsapp) and my heart sank - I just hope he blocked me on Twitter before he read the messages and not afterwards. I'm not normally one for weaselling away from what I said, but I would give anything to be able to unsay those final tweets. I don't even bloody remember writing them now, apart from one or two of them. It's a blank.

Oh yeah, got this from another member of the forum C and I met on.

Even on the dumb-ass ** forums I felt slightly uneasy about what seemed to be his obsession with you. He called himself your 'stalker' and though it was all a bit of fun, he seemed genuinely infatuated.

Showed his second-to-last message to my mum and care coordinator. This one: "I've told her [his wife] about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection." My mum said that she didn't believe he told his wife any of those things; my care coordinator said that he was admitting that he loved me.

Fuck knows. It's over for good now anyway.

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Bumshkawahwah · 02/05/2018 23:51

OP, i’m glad there are steps being taken to get you done support. Some of your posts have made my heart ache for you. I’m so sorry that your life has become so unbearable. I hope you can find some real happiness.

Sometimeitrains · 03/05/2018 06:14

Op it does sound you are interacting with a mental healt team on some level. I.e his letter to your medical team that he wrote and the psychologyst who says you cant have another round of cbt. So your comment about not bring able to get help because you are on benefits is a bit confusing.
Either way it sounds like interacting with someone irl about this issue whether its your support worker or the psychologist would be wise.
What was it you hoped to get out of posting on here?

Bolokov · 03/05/2018 08:24

Lots of anger here. But why? This was a friendship ( and a virtual one not a real face to face one) which you have become far to involved in and over invested in. Your post reads as though your husband has just walked out after thirty years of marriage and I had to keep reminding myself the post was about someone you have never met . If this man wanted any more than friendship he would not have been so open with his wife. He has pretty much involved her in the friendship and you are all in communication. At some point you have decided that you want a different kind of relationship and are now in a rage because he has the audacity to not want what you want. The man in question used the word 'love' but he clearly did not mean he was ''in love' with you.

Mousefunky · 03/05/2018 09:55

Have you seen the film Her? If not, watch it. Your situation reminds me a lot of that. You are essentially in love with a computer screen, it’s not healthy.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 14:09

No, I've not seen the film Her, but I'll make sure to avoid it from now on.

Sorry guys, but I don't believe half of you are replying have even read my posts properly. That in itself I don't blame you for - I probably wouldn't read my giant wall of text if somebody else had written it either. But please then don't jump in sounding as though you haven't actually read anything I said.

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ArtBrut · 03/05/2018 15:51

Noughts, I think most people have read what you wrote, they are just suggesting that alternative readings of your interaction with C are possible, but you seem resistant to them, and appear to be only looking for people to back up your reading of the situation -- that C. loved you, was unhappily married, and that even though you loved him, you only wanted transparency from him, so he was wrong to back off when you asked him to admit that he was hiding his feelings for you from himself.

Another interpretation might be that he was an online fellow-forum-user who had his own MH vulnerabilities, was genuinely concerned for your welfare, but was frightened off by your suicidal tendencies and hospitalisation, and what sound like aggressive demands that he acknowledge feelings for you -- not to mention what you describe yourself as 'rage-stricken, profanity-stricken' messages, and abuse of his wife.

I think that if someone of either sex came on here and said someone vulnerable and non-NT they 'knew' from a forum, with a recent suicide attempt and time spent on an acute psychiatric ward, was abusing their spouse on social media and had confessed they were harbouring unrequited romantic feelings for them, they would almost certainly be advised to cut contact for their own MH and the other person's.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 16:02

No, I never thought C was unhappily married - I even said he gave off every appearance of enjoying the married life, for crying out loud.

But we had never, in five years, talked about his marriage or his wife. He would bang on about how he totally trusted me, could tell me anything, openess and transparency - so, yes, in the end I decided to take him at his word and ask him about his wife and marriage. Because I wanted to know. For me.

And in five years there was one night of rage-stricken, profanity-stricken messages.

Begone with you.

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 16:04

Anyway, life is still beyond awful.

I was meant to be going out today with a friend from the day hospital, but he flaked out on me. No mumsnet, I didn't send him any abusive messages or accuse him of being in love with me. We re-arranged for Sunday or Monday instead, which I hope he can make, because I would like to see the film that we were going to see.

My uveitis has come back. I've developed a brand new UTI out of nowhere, and peeing is now even worse than pooing. My body is destroying itself, one organ at a time. First my guts, then my thyroid, eyes and now bladder.

And I still miss C beyond words.

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Bolokov · 03/05/2018 16:34

You have had a reality check now from multiple posters who HAVE read your OP and who are all saying the same things. This is a forum for testing out if your point of view is a sensible one against the usual panel of MN posters. They have given your point of view due consideration. made allowances for ASD, MH issues etc. If you do not want to listen to alternative views why post? You are rigidly sticking to a position which is simply wrong according to everyone who has posted back to you.

Thinkingofausername1 · 03/05/2018 16:36

You sound like a bitch regarding what you wrote about his wife. You don't even know her and so what if she doesn't work, doesn't make her a lazy cow. I don't work does that mean I am? Because I read mumsnet during the day? Good luck love.

Babyplaymat · 03/05/2018 16:40

Seriously Thinking read the whole thread and then grow some empathy.

You're having a shit time OP and I'm sorry. You sound to be in a lot of pain, in all respects.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 16:54

You sound like a bitch regarding what you wrote about his wife. You don't even know her and so what if she doesn't work, doesn't make her a lazy cow. I don't work does that mean I am? Because I read mumsnet during the day? Good luck love.

Yet another mumsnet user projecting their own insecurities onto me.

I don't work either. I don't give a toss whether other people work or not - frankly I don't think there is any glory to be gained from working yourself into an early grave, as C (and millions of others) are doing.

The wife made an anti-immigration tweet a few days ago,, deploring "country shoppers" out for a "free ride". So I pointed out that most of the immigrants who come to her country will work 100x than she ever will. Look, the woman feeds a rabbit in her back yard every day. Cute, right? But it's the husband who comes home AND CLEANS UP THE DAMN DROPPINGS. (No, she is not physically disabled either.)

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 17:14

Incidentally I know their domestic arrangements are their own business, but once you talk about something in public then people have the right to comment about it.

Care coordinator just phoned. Most hair-tearing-out convo ever. There isn't going to be any counselling offered - I tried and tried to pin her down on that one. All she would keep on saying is it depends on what "psychology" (services) want. I said I'd be willing to travel out of the borough, but very very strongly suspect they won't allow that either.

Lol, "get help". Nah, if you're poor forget it, folks. You need to be rich to access psychological help.

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Bolokov · 03/05/2018 17:21

'I don't work either. I don't give a toss whether other people work or not - frankly I don't think there is any glory to be gained from working yourself into an early grave.'

Right I'm done here!

What planet are you living on?

People work to

  1. support themselves and their families

  2. Pay taxes to pay for essential public services among many other things, and also to support people who are not working.

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