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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

OP posts:
Bolokov · 03/05/2018 17:36

You are too rigid in your thinking to access psychological help which is why your care team have declined to provide it.

ReginasLeftFlangie · 03/05/2018 17:37

OP do you not think that being at home (I'm guessing mostly alone, apologies if that's incorrect) is hindering your MH? I mean solitary confinement is used as a punishment. If you worked you would have a better quality of life, be able to access more MH help (if it is as you say money related) and develop real social relationships that would benefit you more than C ever could. I don't mean work yourself to an early grave either, I mean something with the hours you feel you can do. Just a suggestion....

FrancisUnderwood · 03/05/2018 17:40

I think this guy DID lead you on. He DID enjoy the frisson of having you in his pocket and his messages (the ones we've seen) were downright smarmy, vomit inducing indulgences designed to hook a vulnerable girl in. It worked.

He didn't mean most of the things he said. They rarely do, married men. You were a distraction and you filled a gap in his life- while you were convenient.

Of course he didn't tell his wife 'all about you'. That's bullshit.

Although it is a battle to access mental health help in the UK (I know this first hand), vulnerable people ARE helped, repeatedly, as long as they engage with the service. I suspect you have a history of being offered help, attending one session and then bailing (as you yourself alluded to).
If you have been an inpatient, the hospital will not have kicked you out of the front door without any ongoing help/counselling/therapy.
Some of the things you say make me feel you're being a bit self indulgent.

I'm sorry this has happened to you but at least you now know where you stand, please start putting yourself first and not living so much inside your head. It's torture. I know.

Gemini69 · 03/05/2018 17:58

it's over... give yourself time it's too recent to consider this fixable today..

please don't focus on the intricacies of the Dear Brothers suicide right now.. you cannot reconcile with his issues surrounding his actions... whilst trying to deal with the emotional fallout of what has just happened to yourself...

take time and turn off the social media... it's not helping you Flowers

noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 18:27

Well some of you seem absolutely determined to take offense at every single sentence I say now. First someone asks if I think she is a lazy cow for not working and I reassure her, no I don't. Now I'm told I must be living on another planet for not appreciating the glories of work and womansplained over why people work.

I understand why people need/want to work and I do bitterly regret not being able to have had a career myself. It actually isn't any fun sitting at home every day, twiddling your thumbs with nobody but the 4 walls and a screen to speak to. I'm grateful for my volunteer job and how nice the people are there, but that is only 2 afternoons a week.

Anyway, I actually wanted to talk about the very strange email I got from C's email address an hour ago :/

There weren't any words. It was just the pdf attachment of the letter he wrote a week or so ago. I replied immediately but no reply back. Everything about it is off: the lack of words, the fact that it is an unauthenticated email (Google popped up with a warning).

As for my reply I just kept it short because I didn't want to scare him away. Just said I was so so sorry for what I said and that could he please let me know if he was okay.

I'm at the eye hospital now waiting to be seen for yet another uveitis attack.

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changedmynamex2 · 03/05/2018 18:40

I got as far as you referring to his wife as "wingnut". Then stopped. He's lied to you you've fallen for it it's not real.

Get over it.

ShesAYamEater · 03/05/2018 19:02

Op
For your sake - cut contact and move forward. I know you miss him but he is doing more and more damage to you with every interaction. He is not and will not be yours. He is toying with you and doesn't know how to extract himself . You scare him.

He is a wanker. Total and utter to do this to you.
Take control and remove yourself from this situation. Cut him off.
Do you mind me asking which country you are in please? Is it the uk or the US?

Bolokov · 03/05/2018 19:28

'I just kept it short because I didn't want to scare him away.'

Really? Have you not scared him away already? perhaps try to learn from your own mistakes while you still know it all.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 03/05/2018 20:30

I think he did lead you on. His lengthy you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes email is completely ott for a friendship. It's the kind of thing someone might write in the first throes of a first relationship.

He enjoyed having an emotionally intimate online relationship with you. When you said you loved him he didn't back away as a married person should, but he also didn't encourage you. He liked your relationship just as it was, emotionally intimate, online, not impacting on his real life. He didn't want it to spill into his real life.

I'm sorry, he unfairly led you on, as he encouraged you to become too emotionally dependent on him when he knew you are a vulnerable woman and that he didn't want to take it any further. In his defence maybe his own mental health problems meant he didn't judge this well.

I would draw a line under this friendship. I have a feeling he will contact you again "to be friends" and that ultimately that contact will make you feel even worse. You will never get to the bottom of what happened by talking to him further. Try and remember that you had a good friendship at the beginning, and you will be able to have friendships in the future with other people.

I would try to increase the amount of time that you spend with other people in real life. Have you checked with the National Autistic Society if they have any groups in your area? In mine they have lots of activities and social groups. They keep a database on their website.

The forums sound useful, but I'd try to speak to a range of people and not just have one main friendship online. There is too much scope for being led on misled. Online friendships can still be helpful as long as you keep them in perspective, that you don't truly know them and they could stop replying to your emails any day, so you just enjoy them in the moment.

Gemini69 · 03/05/2018 20:37

could he please let me know if he was okay

I really think worrying about Him.. is the last thing you should be concerned about... cut Him off lovely Flowers

noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 21:24

I got as far as you referring to his wife as "wingnut". Then stopped. He's lied to you you've fallen for it it's not real.

Well see, if you had progressed beyond 'wingnut' (a perfectly valid word with a specific meaning), you'd have learnt it wasn't C who gave me that impression of his wife. I decided that for myself after reading her tweets for a while. And, no, I wasn't stalking her: we were following each other on Twitter, so her tweets came up on my timelime. Honestly, I'd rather have not seen that side of her, 'cos I'd have probably thought she was a lovely person otherwise.

^Op
For your sake - cut contact and move forward. I know you miss him but he is doing more and more damage to you with every interaction. He is not and will not be yours. He is toying with you and doesn't know how to extract himself . You scare him.
He is a wanker. Total and utter to do this to you.
Take control and remove yourself from this situation. Cut him off.
Do you mind me asking which country you are in please? Is it the uk or the US?^

I know he won't be "mine". Nobody here will believe me, but I accept that. I even want his batshit wife to be okay.

If more evidence arrives that he is now fucking with me, I will just drop it and move on. I'm from the UK btw.

I would try to increase the amount of time that you spend with other people in real life. Have you checked with the National Autistic Society if they have any groups in your area? In mine they have lots of activities and social groups. They keep a database on their website.

I've tried the local autism group a few times but not had much luck with it... :-/ It only meets once a month so I'm not missing out on lots of social activities. I do like and get on with everyone at my volunteer place. but we don't get together socially.

I'm going to a new day group tomorrow afternoon. Not been there before but at least I'll be able to sit with real life people for a few hours. My problem has always been that I've longed for something more - like, friends and a relationship. (I had friends when I was at school, but not been able to build a circle of real life friends since then. I have one internet friend I meet about twice a year, but we live too far apart to meet much more than that.)

Anyway, starting to waffle a bit now but thanks for trying to understand where I'm coming from.

cut Him off lovely flowers

It's still more the case that he's cut me off, despite the weird email :/

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 03/05/2018 21:25

These tags are absolute rubbish. Half the time they don't work 'cos the formatting renders them inoperable.

Still I have a sneaking fondness for forums with software that's about 20 years out of date.

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AnchorDownDeepBreath · 03/05/2018 21:41

I am sorry, noughts. From the outside, the pieces make sense, but I know it doesn't feel like it from your point of view.

I'm torn between feeling that he's played you, and wondering if you fitted so well because you played crutch for each other; for want of a better phrase. You gained the intense friendship, the constant conversations, the dependency. He gained another life; one where he didn't have to reference his wife and could write long unrealistic prose about you - essentially where he could play a Shakespeare character; a star crossed lover with sonnets of love.

You're confession about how you feel reframed it all for him; and he's run scared. I don't think he didn't know that you had fallen for him, but it's possible that he didn't notice. Now he's withdrawn. He's probably also mourning the loss of what he had; but not for the same reasons as you.

I wouldn't worry about the email if gmail has flagged it. It's probably spam; especially given the contents. Unfortunate spam, nonetheless.

Is there anything that gives you some peace at the moment? You'd need to be careful not to rebuild the same situation; but would a forum help temporarily? Could you use a chat room for the constant people to talk to, but try not to build a dependency with any one person in particular?

Thanks
PsychedelicSheep · 03/05/2018 22:17

OP I’m sorry you’re having such a shit time.

But Jesus Christ this C sounds like an absolute pompous prick! Who the fuck does he think he is mansplaining your depression to your mental health team ffs! Cringe.

You fed his ego and made him feel important. He’s probably one of those rescuer complex types who loves to play the knight in shining armour to damsels in distress. I bet he’s been doing this a lot over the years. Well it’s backfired on him now, bet he’s shitting himself.

I very much doubt there are NO free/low cost counselling services in your county. What is possibly complicating things is that as you have a care coordinator you aren’t eligible to access primary care services, as in theory your MH team should be providing your therapy. I know this is often not the case though, and for whatever reason (possibly what Bolokov said) they don’t think you are in a stable enough place to engage with therapy at this time and tbh I can see why they’d be cautious.

I really think you should block C and focus on your own self care and wellbeing. He’s no good for you lovely. I’m glad to read you have made plans with friends and met up with your parents, however painful this was it’s good for you to keep connected to others if you can. Keep posting here if you find it helpful too. Wishing you strength and hope Flowers

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 00:19

Okay, for the first time a few of you are starting to make me doubt the motives of this man. I don't know - I just don't know! It feels like both of us changed once we moved over to WhatsApp, but maybe I'm wrong about that and only I changed.

I bet he’s been doing this a lot over the years.

Jesus christ, I hope not but I can't rule it out. It feels like I've known him a long time but five years out of a 30-year-marriage isn't very long really. And I don't know anything about his previous internet life, whereas I told him - and showed him - my previous haunts. I presumably must have asked him what forums he used to post on, but the answer certainly didn't stick with me, as I don't have a clue.

Fucking hell, I think that's possibly the most depressing sentence I've read in this thread yet. I'd almost rather go on believing that I was the one 99% in the wrong than he'd done this type of shit with other women before. Suppose I'll never find out now.

Is there anything that gives you some peace at the moment? You'd need to be careful not to rebuild the same situation; but would a forum help temporarily? Could you use a chat room for the constant people to talk to, but try not to build a dependency with any one person in particular?

Forums, and typing things out, do help. I've never thought about a chatroom to be honest. I do get tired/overwhelmed by fast-paced conversation easily, but it still may be nice to have a friendly group to join when I'm feeling particularly lonely.

and for whatever reason (possibly what Bolokov said) they don’t think you are in a stable enough place to engage with therapy at this time and tbh I can see why they’d be cautious.

I've already told my care coordinator that I've tried CBT in the past and it's absolutely useless for me. I don't want to do CBT again, because it's a waste of time for both me and the therapist. It's not a question of willing - it just doesn't work for me. Or, to be more specific, it doesn't work for my depression.

Talking therapy seems to work the best for me, from the little experience I've had of it.The longest I saw somebody consecutively for was 10 sessions - she was very nice and it was a source of support for the whole time I was seeing her. That was a few years ago. The occasional appointment with therapists/counsellors that I used to be able to get have completely dried up now - I don't get to see anybody in that capacity anymore, not even as a one-off.

And I don't believe it was because I was unwilling or, what's their favourite phase, "lacking insight". That's bullshit. I went to all 10 of my counselling sessions and would have carried on with it: now psychological services are lying to my support worker/care coordinator that I was offered therapy in the past and didn't make the best of it. They're probably referring to the CBT with a trainee counsellor 10 years ago that I never finished - we agreed by mutual consent that we weren't getting anywhere and brought our sessions to an early end.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do sometimes wonder whether mental health professionals prefer the "easy" patients who don't whinge and kick up a fuss and who appear to respond well to antidepressants and on-the-cheap CBT. I get that there isn't the money to provide intensive therapy to everyone who needs it, but there does seem to be a tendency to blame the patients instead of admitting that there simply isn't enough money to treat them adequately.

I really think you should block C and focus on your own self care and wellbeing. He’s no good for you lovely. I’m glad to read you have made plans with friends and met up with your parents, however painful this was it’s good for you to keep connected to others if you can. Keep posting here if you find it helpful too. Wishing you strength and hope flowers

I think ultimately it will come down to blocking C and getting rid of all traces of him from my phone and laptop. I'm just not ready to take such a drastic step yet.

Anyway, thank you sincerely. I'm braindead now and I tend to go into waffle mode when I'm braindead - but thank you.

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eightfacesofthemoon · 04/05/2018 00:33

Can you afford some therapy? Even if it’s every other week? I got a reduced rate when I was tight for money.
I’ve been doing it for 2 years now and I think I can safely say I couldn’t have got through things without them.
I can’t really afford it, but I would sacrifice many other things for it

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 00:41

Not at full rates, no! Even reduced rates would be hard, but I should look into it and get an idea of costs.

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eightfacesofthemoon · 04/05/2018 00:45

I ended up paying £20 p/h every other week.
Standard rate was £50

They can only say no if you ask, and you can only try. You might be surprised.

With regards to everything else, I think there’s a lot of protection from both of you, and that happens as much in real life as is does online. But the only way you’re going to work through this is with talking therapy, in my opinion

JustaLittlePrick · 04/05/2018 01:03

Why are you being so nasty about a woman whose husband you dreamed you had an emotional affair with? What has she done to you apart from be the existing wife of a man you wanted for yourself?

Anyway, you've got bigger problems. Delete yourself from social media and forums, stop living in cloud cuckoo land imagining deep feelings for total strangers who spin you a line in cyber-space. It's meaningless.

I wish you improved health. Stay away from this man and his wife online - they are not your business or concern.

Bolokov · 04/05/2018 01:54

Guess I should know better but i seem to be posting again.

Advice is frequently given on here to go for counselling or therapy without much understanding.

It is a form of treatment that only works in a limited number of situations and for a limited number of patients. In some cases it can actively harm patients if it is wrongly applied or used in the wrong circumstances or at the wrong time.

It is important to realise that it is a collaborative process. A therapist can't do something to you to make you better and they are not necessarily there to agree with your point of view. Part of their role can be to actively challenge dysfunctional ways of thinking and living, which is essentially what CBT does.

The patient needs to be reasonably flexible in their thinking and be able to consider the possibility that their thinking might be wrong or it just does not work

My best guess is that OP wants therapy to validate thinking and behaviour which is unhelpful and damaging ( i.e.on line 'relationship' with a sophisticated troll).

In declining to get involved they then unfortunately feed into the blame game and are added to the list of helpers who have failed and so it goes on.

Sometimeitrains · 04/05/2018 05:18

Well if your mental healthcare team feel you lack enough insight to benefit from talking therapy have they suggested an alternative? Maybe press them on what your options are?

I do hope you get the help you need in real life as eventually comments on this thread will dry up, and I suspect you will find yourself simply jumping from one online method of interaction to another to fill a void that needs real people to make it work rather than one dimensional online personas.

That is what this guy was, despite the length of your interaction you where only seeing a particular side off him. The side he wanted you to see. And it may have been unintentional given that you said he also has MH issues.

Words used are only a small part of the way humans interact. Much more information is convayed via body language and the activities you actually do with a person in real time.

Directing someone to a forum where you've previously posted is not 'showing them your old haunts'.

Showing someone old haunts is walking round it, holding hands, bursting out with uncontrollable laughter at a fun memory you share with them. Typing lol into a screen is not the same thing.

Men are very good at compartmentalising in my opinion. An online attachment isnt an affair to them because its just online. It can sit in that box and not bleed into the rest of their lives in which the persona they present may be quite different. Where as for you it sounds like you let this not only bleed into your real life but also take it over.

He has done the right thing in ending it. Take it as a sign to live more in the world.

GreenRut · 04/05/2018 05:57

Op, you are looking for an answer which I think is obvious. You were merrily going along in this weirdly intense friendship and the thing that changed was you telling him you loved him. He put a stop to it as a result of that. Yes I think he's preyed on you and enjoyed the inappropriate closeness but as long as no one was saying the words I love you, it was grand. Now it's too real and it's clicked him into backing off. It is the right thing for him to do and you will benefit from this.

GreenItWas · 04/05/2018 06:28

I think you have limerence and transference. I hope you feel well soon but feel the route to wellness for you is to step back and look at what has happened with a jaded eye. This will help with perspective. Time will also help bring perspective because as the heat goes out of this, you will start to see. I think you have been used to a degree and part of how you feel is anger at this. Time and distance will have you seeing more clearly.

Itchytights · 04/05/2018 06:36

I’m the same as in I stopped reading when it came to the bit where there were nasty comments about his wife.

Haven’t read anymore. Don’t care to but what I will say is back the fuck off and show some dignity. The man is married. Leave the fuck alone.

As you were.

PsychedelicSheep · 04/05/2018 06:37

Oh gosh OP I didn’t mean to upset you with what I said about him doing this with other women, of course I don’t know that for sure, it’s just that this is quite a common thing for guys to do and I definitely wouldn’t be surprised. That’s not to say he never felt anything for you though, just that it was always on his terms in a way that suited and benefited him.

I am therapist in an NHS service (qualified in integrative psychotherapy and CBT) and actually I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. CBT is fine for some clients and some presentations but it definitely has its limitations and is not for everyone and I am certainly not surprised it didn’t work for you.

It’s such a shame there is nothing more offered to you, (although I would be slightly concerned about your suicide risk increasing and I wonder if that’s a factor?) The truth is due savage and ongoing cuts to funding MH services simply aren’t able to treat people effectively, and you’re right it’s unfair to blame the patient for inadequate provision.

MIND offer counselling for free in many areas, is it worth giving them a call? Sorry if you’ve already tried this. I just can’t believe there is no free/low cost counselling available in the third charity sector, there are usually a few agencies doing it, even though they do have ridiculous waiting lists.