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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

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ChiaraRimini · 09/05/2018 13:39

Just a practical tip on sleeping medication
Promethazine (Phenergan) is very effective for some people as a sleeping pill, it is a non addictive over the counter antihistamine, you can buy it in any pharmacy.
You may need to experiment to find the right time to take it so you are not drowsy in the morning.
Many GPs seem unaware of it as an alternative to the addictive sleeping pills like zopiclone and I don't know why.

Lizzie48 · 09/05/2018 13:45

I've found Sleepeaze and Nytol to be very effective. Whether herbal or with hydrochloride.

Lizzie48 · 09/05/2018 13:47

You can buy them over the counter but they are meant for short term use only.

ShesAYamEater · 09/05/2018 16:41

Noughts
I think to actually even begin to delete these things is doing really well. I would just do it little and often and only when you feel able to manage it.

And it goes without saying really but try try try not to start reading them. It's futile .

FWIW - I think your doing really well. Keep going. Keep getting up and getting dressed and keep chipping st the emails etc - just don't touch it when you're at a low ebb maybe .

Is there anyone at all in real life who you could call up and say just go for a coffee with to get out of the house a bit ? I think engaging in real life however hard that feels would be a good thing now . Especially when you feel yourself obsessing - distraction would be good .

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 09/05/2018 16:59

I have a different take on this:

Come on noughts, crl&a - select all - and delete them in one fell swoop. It will feel like your world has ended... for about five seconds - and then you'll start to breathe again. It's akin to ripping off a plaster rather than slowly peeling it and re-sticking it. It hurts more to rip it off, but is very quickly over. That's what you need.

Prepare for this - put together a play list of songs that make you feel good and powerful and make that your 'soundtrack' for this period of your life. You will be happy again but you have a few steps to take first.

If you can accept that he's blotted you out of his life, blocked you from every outlet he can think of, you're already facing up to some very tough things indeed. You can do something nice for yourself by preventing those 'jolts' every time you see him in one of his old e-mails or texts. You deserve better than that.

How are you feeling after your infection? Any better? My anti-b's were useless but that's because it wasn't an infection - it was something called 'dry socket', it really, really hurt. I hope you're on the mend now and - if you can get a sleeping pill that's gentle - that you get a good night's sleep. I can recommend Yorkshire Tea bedtime brew if you like tea. I have one in bed every night.

Sometimeitrains · 09/05/2018 17:00

For what its worth I dont think you should spend time deleting the emails if there are that many.
Its just a way for you to re-live the interaction repeatedly making it more real and giving it more space in your life.
Untill the deletion process becomes something else to obsess over.

If you can just leave them alone. focus on something ...anything else.

ShesAYamEater · 09/05/2018 17:18

Of course lying is right and I'm not techy- forgot you can select all.

I would do it that way . Be brave. Don't read them. Just delete them.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 09/05/2018 18:49

That's how I would feel, ShesAYamEater, I wouldn't be brave enough to torture myself in the one-by-one-read-cry-and-delete. There will never be a resolution to this so better to just get rid of them all.

As my nan wold have said - 'Better an end with pain than a pain without end'.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 09/05/2018 21:39

Thank you folks.

I think you are right about deleting the emails in one fell swoop, especially as I've already re-read a few of them and haven't gained any amazing new insight into C. Instead, it was my brilliant friend who gave me a new insight today. She said something about how, if C were to get back in touch, then things could get even worse for me. I was like, "how??" She explained how C would have a lot of unspoken power over me from now on; that I would feel forced to modify my behaviour around him in order to prevent him from walking out again (or logging off, pedants). If my feelings for him are still the same, sooner or later the same thing will happen again. Either way I will end up a paranoid, emotional wreck (she didn't actually say that last bit).

Basically she is right. The balance of power has completely tipped C's way. He's not a sociopath, so I doubt he would use it to be purposely cruel with, but he's somebody I feel like I don't really know anymore. And if you don't know somebody, you can't trust them either.

So yeah. I'm not gonna do anything tonight: I'm tired and it's been an incredibly frazzling day overall. But as soon as I've caught up on some sleep and am feeling more resilient, I'm gonna delete and block C everywhere - I'm not gonna hang around like a lost puppy anymore, forlornly hoping that he gets in touch with me.

Hopefully that will lessen the other obsessive thoughts too, eg. wondering how he is doing now. That one particularly drives me mental, as I have no way of how knowing how he is doing - if he was renewing his marriage vows or in a psychiatric ward, I wouldn't know.

@LyingWitch - As my nan wold have said - 'Better an end with pain than a pain without end'.

That's actually a good quote to end with - thanks!

PS: The antibiotics worked and the UTI has gone, thank god - that was truly a horrific pain. I hadn't heard of dry socket, so I goggled it. That sounds pretty bad as well actually :-/

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FWBcomplexity · 09/05/2018 22:27

noughts I say this with gentleness and with lived experience of complex PTSD and professional quals in neurological conditions and clinical psychology. You are catastrophising this. This guy has not used you, you have both groomed each other into emotional dependence to fulfil your own individual need. You had (unsaid) boundaries in place and you crossed them by placing yourself in his marriage (either as a perceived threat or being negative about his wife). This was always going to be the end result due to geographical distance and his marriage. His only real mistake was not to be stronger with you about his expectations of your interactions. He was too weak to put these boundaries in place properly.

In your opening post he lauds your self awareness but I think he got this wrong too. I think you lack self awareness and this is leading you to focus on his behaviour and obsess about him. I think your ASC is partly at fault here; but I also think that avoidance is at play. Plenty of people have horrible times (and I'm sorry to hear how rough your last year has been) but they examine their own responses and try to understand their own reactions, but you seem to be so avoidant. I don't blame you, I do exactly the same and have relied on it in the past but I have forced myself to hold the mirror up to myself recently; and get obsessive about my own feelings rather than focus on someone else's. It's very uncomfortable.

Focus on trust for yourself. Focus on your responses and what you want. Don't run away and say 'that's it, I'm shutting down, I'll never do this again'. You keep yourself in the conflict spiral if you do that. And believe me, it's not a great place to be.

Namechangedname · 10/05/2018 00:06

WhatsApp was the game-changer. For you, not him. He was sailing close to the wind from the beginning, but you weren't to know that then.. You felt that this new way of communication made you feel 'closer' to him and that's when things spiralled. He only ever saw you as a friend (and probably a boost to the ego). But I do think that he crossed boundaries because of your vulnerability (not your fault, his).

I also see a man who took advantage of you, okay, advantage is probably too strong a word, but, emotionally, he got in too deep-writing letters to the psych unit.. telling strangers how wonderful you are. He led you on.

But his actions could never have matched his words. He played you.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 10/05/2018 02:12

@FWBcomplexity (and I'm sorry to hear how rough your last year has been)

More like a rough decade tbh. I mean, my opening post was already a giant wall of text, so I didn't want to add my life story to that. The last year was the final straw which broke the camel's back if you like.

I'm aware that the feeling of being used isn't a 100% rational or fair one, nor is it the only emotion I have felt. I would say I've spent more time missing C and wishing I could speak to him again than feeling used - but yes, there have been times when hurt has turned into anger and I've felt used.

I don't think I do lack self-awareness, although that's not because of what C said. The guy was living in a fantasy world; I think he loved the idea of me more than the actual me. Perhaps that should have been obviously all along, but it wasn't. C did know virtually everything about me after all. I hadn't lied abut anything and, in turn, he hadn't run away screaming for the hills. Until I said i loved him. That one deffo broke the spell.

Similarly the crossing of unspoken boundaries wasn't a concern to me at the time too - maybe because, I don't know, I was in the grip of a mental breakdown?! I did, somewhat cowardly, try to get C to be the one to say goodbye and end it with me a couple of times: he wouldn't. In the end, I felt like I had to be the one to do it, but not without the declaration of love... head-banging-against-wall.gif

I'm still not sure what I've been missing in examining my own reactions... I've been, variously, desperately hurt, confused, empty, numb, angry, guilty etc. I'm so bored with my own pain, that's a kind of pain all by itself.

When you say "trust for yourself", what do you mean? I guess I don't trust myself really. I don't trust myself to remain stable enough for long enough to improve my life or to have a relationship with anyone else (despite yearning for one).

@Namechangedname - Yep, I feel like WhatsApp was the gamechanger as well and that if we'd just stuck to email, none of this would have happened.

Which doesn't mean that our friendship was ever entirely right, though. I mean, the guy was married, god knows what his wife thought of it all. I feel like maybe I should have thought about that more much, much earlier than I did.

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notangelinajolie · 10/05/2018 02:21

Wow. You are brazen. I was ok until third paragraph and then you lost me. Sorry, no sympathy from me.

Mamaryllis · 10/05/2018 05:55

Fwiw, I totally agree that he wrote the letter because he was freaking the fuck out feeling like he was responsible for keeping you alive, and was desperately hoping that it might trigger some support for you so he didn’t have to shoulder the burden alone. Trying to keep someone suicidal alive from a distance is extremely hard work and ruins your own mental health. Eventually you have to step away for your own good (‘don’t set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm’ etc.)
Yeah I’ve been there, so I’m projecting massively.
I also live in Canada and am married to a man whose name begins with C. Grin He spends a lot of time on his phone but I’d put money on him not spending 5 years on online depression support groups.
Plus I’ve got three kids, but you probably wouldn’t like my twitter either...
I hope you keep fighting for the support you need. My friend who sounds very similar only really started to improve when she had no support left - it meant she couldn’t blame anyone else and she really started to focus on how she herself could work on her mental health. It was pretty exhausting. Due to her illness she essentially picked off all her close relationships one by one by becoming obsessive and blaming other people for making her suicidal. I spent a lot of time talking to mh professionals trying to get her some help. I probably sounded just like C. (She’s now working for the first time in years and feeling more positive.)
No one can do this for you - not C, not anyone else. I really hope your care coordinator can help you find your way through.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 10/05/2018 12:03

but you probably wouldn’t like my twitter either...

I couldn't care less about your Twitter.

The rest of the stuff is all projection tbh.

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eightfacesofthemoon · 10/05/2018 19:13

People do project on here, it’s the nature of a forum.
You need to think of your future, all you can do is save yourself.
Start thinking of yourself first. SAVE yourself

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