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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 18:49

@sometimeitrains

I just wish I could speak to him one last time, even if it's only to hear him tell me he wants nothing more to do with me. That certainly would hurt extremely, but at least I have would know how he feels - it would almost be better than this awful silence.

Gawd, I even seriously considered phoning him, which is how I recognised I was in danger of going mental again. I literally have never phoned him before and can't see it being anything other than a terrible idea. Right? :-/

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ArtBrut · 04/05/2018 18:52

OP, despite the fact that you told me to get off your thread some time back, I just wanted to say, I get kidney stones, and if you're still in pain after a few days of the antibiotics, seek help immediately. The first time I had an attack I didn't know what it was it felt like back pain from a pulled muscle at first and let it go way too far, and ended up on my hands and knees in A and E, screaming like a banshee. The pain made labour seem like a walk in the park.

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily agree with the majority opinion on this thread that C was using you as an ego boost for five years. From what you've said, it's perfectly possible that he felt genuine affection for you (insofar as that's possible when you've never met or spoken) while also feeling increasingly uneasy about your extreme vulnerability and increasingly obvious dependence on him.

It sounds to me as if the offer to make phonecalls on your behalf and the letter to your medical team were signs of him being understandably alarmed about your welfare, and trying to make sure other people were aware of it, and to shift responsibility away from himself.

I agree with Lying that this thread is probably counter-productive for you now, and has become a way of keeping C alive in your head, and I won't be posting again. Best wishes.

Sometimeitrains · 04/05/2018 19:00

Yes that would be a terrible idea.

A. Because you wont get the answer you are looking for. People who ghost other people do it because they dont want to explain themselves.

B. If he tells you that your suspicions are correct you will be devestated. Big difference between drawing your own conclusions and having those conclusions rubbed in your face.

C. If anything this experience should teach you that continuing this kind of interaction can be devestating and therefore best avoided again even if he did get in touch.

If you can make peace with point c. Point a and b wont hurt so much.

Hope that helps. Keep plugging away at real life interactions it is possible.

I have no experience of your condition but im am an introvert so rarely make any effort to socialise as I hate big groups. Over time Ive been able to build up a group of one on one friendships that are supportive and fun. It is possible.

eightfacesofthemoon · 04/05/2018 19:20

I understand the real need to hear one way or another. But his actions have told you as much as you need to know.
I agree with others that it’s probably more complicated than him simply stringing you along.

But you asked the question and got your answer, there is little more you can do in that regard.

What you have to do now is start to take care of yourself and heal yourself as much as you can.

Though not in the same situation as you, I wanted to get clear answers from someone who was unwilling to do so for his own reasons, and it literally drove me mad. I now realise that he was incapable of doing that for his own reasons, and I couldn’t waste more of my life trying to get black and white answers to something that was so complicated

greystripedteepee · 04/05/2018 19:42

I think C did the right thing.

Sn0tnose · 04/05/2018 19:52

After we started on WhatsApp, why didn't he see I was changing if he was so neurotypical and expert at reading people? That's a genuine question if anyone can get over my use of the word 'wingnut' for long enough to answer it. I think you're giving him far too much credit. I don't think he's an expert at reading people at all. I think he's just quite good at blowing generic smoke up vulnerable people's bottoms. For instance, the letter he wrote about you; what the fuck was that about?

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician. What a load of manipulative old bollocks. Did you ask him to write a letter? Or did he take it upon himself to write that little bit of generic flattery designed to make you think that he had some kind of special insight into your character? And if your mental health team are barely engaging with you, why would he think they'd be interested in reading the unqualified opinion of another service user who has never actually met you?

It sounds like you're going through an absolutely awful time made worse by the help you need not being available to you. I hope that changes for you. I also think that, although you've not exactly covered yourself in glory here, you seem to be thinking of him as some all knowing, all seeing guru. He's not. He's in the same boat as you. He has no more insight or expertise in reading strangers over the Internet than you, me or anyone else does.

DearMrDilkington · 04/05/2018 20:15

Flowers for you, I'm very sorry about your brother and your friend.

Have you ever watched Catfish on TV? I think you'd find it fascinating, it really does make you think about who you talk to online and how to talk to people without becoming too emotionally involved. You may be able to watch it online if you don't have MTV.

DearMrDilkington · 04/05/2018 20:16

Also, please don't ring him. It's quite a red flag that you've never spoken on the phone before though.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 20:34

@ArtBrut - The pain I've got is urethra pain, so maybe it isn't kidney stones after all... But the pain is much worse now than when it started a few days ago. It was literally unbearable a few hours ago; I never even knew that part of the body could feel that much pain. At any rate, if it's not any better by Sunday, I'm going straight to Urgent Care (feel like A&E is a tad overkill). Apparently the antibiotics take a few hours to one day to start working and if they haven't made any difference after 48 hours, you are advised to see a doctor.

I wouldn't wish the pain you described on my worst enemy to be fair.

It sounds to me as if the offer to make phonecalls on your behalf and the letter to your medical team were signs of him being understandably alarmed about your welfare, and trying to make sure other people were aware of it, and to shift responsibility away from himself.

Oh my god. I don't think I thought of it that way before.

I agree with Lying that this thread is probably counter-productive for you now, and has become a way of keeping C alive in your head, and I won't be posting again. Best wishes.

Sadly this could be true. I've also been clinging to a hope of speaking to him and rekindling the friendship again at some point. Ironically enough I was probably thinking more realistically on Monday/Tuesday, when I was 100% convinced it was over and utterly distraught.

I'm now swinging towards being 100% it's over and I'll never hear from him again. Fuck.

@Sometimeitrains

Thank you. I knew it was a terrible idea, but confirmation is always useful for a perennial doubter like me.

@eightfacesofthemoon

Though not in the same situation as you, I wanted to get clear answers from someone who was unwilling to do so for his own reasons, and it literally drove me mad. I now realise that he was incapable of doing that for his own reasons, and I couldn’t waste more of my life trying to get black and white answers to something that was so complicated

Thanks. That does help a bit, I think.

.@Sn0tnose

After we started on WhatsApp, why didn't he see I was changing if he was so neurotypical and expert at reading people? That's a genuine question if anyone can get over my use of the word 'wingnut' for long enough to answer it. I think you're giving him far too much credit. I don't think he's an expert at reading people at all. I think he's just quite good at blowing generic smoke up vulnerable people's bottoms. For instance, the letter he wrote about you; what the fuck was that about?

Not that it really matters now, but I'm pretty sure that question of mine was a dig at a few people who were saying I hadn't read C/the situation correctly because of my autism.

Did you ask him to write a letter?

Good god no. He offered. I wasn't awfully keen on the idea for pretty much the same reason you gave - why the fuck would my mental health team listen to the opinion of somebody from Canada who wasn't a mental health professional? I didn't want to hurt him, so I didn't say that. I mean, he even offered to phone up my mental health team as well. He was never that pushy before - he really seemed to be trying his utmost to get me help, most likely for the reasons ArtBrut gave.

Oh god. Life is so shit.

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Mymycherrypie · 04/05/2018 20:38

I sort of understand where you are coming from. In my down moments I have been taken advantage of by male friends under the guise of “supporting” me. They back off and act like it never happened when you respond as any normal person would, especially after 5 years of affection.

I do think that your MH issues affected your judgement here. I once left 56 missed calls on my ex’s phone. When he wouldn’t answer the door to me, I posted my car keys through the letter box so he had to open the door so I could leave. I was having a breakdown and can see that now.

No contact is the best think for you. Think of him blocking you as his gift to you. He’s gone now, you can concentrate on getting some real support from real life avenues.

eightfacesofthemoon · 04/05/2018 21:03

YOU WILL SURVIVE THIS.

say that to yourself over and over.

Flowers
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 21:21

noughts, I think you're distracting yourself from this physical pain that you're going through by focussing on this relationship. I think if you can get your pain under control and the medication starts to work then you will feel a bit more positive all round.

Pains is awful and you really do have my sympathies. Don't be brave, as soon as you can see that nothing has changed, get yourself off to 'urgent care' as you said. That is the priority, make yourself physically well. The rest can take care of itself once you've got over that pain hurdle.

Just focus on that, getting rid of the physical pain.

TheMShip · 04/05/2018 21:44

Just my two cents - ask for a short course of those sleeping tablets your mum had. They sounded really effective. If you have an infection, sleep will speed the healing process and make it easier to bear. Plus if you are chronically sleep-deprived, your brain can be working in odd and counter-productive ways.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 22:15

Dreadful, boring, lonely Friday evening :/

Think I took one codeine too many, as I nodded off on the sofa and had had vivid, uncomfortable dreams.

Nobody to talk to, online or offline. Loneliness is awful.

Thanks everyone. Hope you are having a better weekend than me so far, but the bar for that is set so low, it touches the ground :/

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eightfacesofthemoon · 04/05/2018 22:25

Not everyone is out having fun! Or with people
I am on my own too.
But I have got a bit used to it.

elderflowerandrose · 04/05/2018 22:30

I can’t offer you a solution, buy simply to say I don’t think he intended to hurt or upset you.

I am sorry for your loss. It sounds like a very difficult time, but you can put this behind you now and focus on the future.

This didn’t work out, but talk to your doctor for support and take care of yourself

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 23:00

I'm joining you on an anti-b's, noughts, I had a tooth out on Monday and now have an infection in my jaw.

I think the MShip's advice is great, if you can get a sleeping pill and sleep off the worse of it, it will really help Being sleep deprived is no good. I cry when I'm overtired, like a kid. Shock

Tomorrow is another day and I hope you're in less pain by then.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 23:14

Thanks folks.

I think I've cried more this week than I have in the past five years :-/

My mum might give me a couple of more sleeping pills tomorrow. My current GP is really weird about prescribing zoplicone; most of the time she won't give me any. This is where I miss my old GP, who would prescribe anything within reason - but I can't go back to him, as I was forced to leave the practice due to moving outside the catchment area.

Having a cup of tea now. Feeling slightly more normal. Slightly... >.>

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 05/05/2018 10:38

Hello OP, we are really sorry to hear you are feeling this way. Flowers

We hope you don't mind, but when these threads are flagged up to us we usually add a link to our Mental Health resources. You can also go to the Samaritans website, or email them on [email protected]. Support from other Mumsnetters is great and we really hope you will be able to take some comfort from your fellow posters, but as other MNers will tell you, it's really a good idea to seek RL help and support as well.

We also like to remind everyone that, although we're awed daily by the astonishing support our members give each other through life's trickier twists and turns, we'd always caution anyone never to give more of themselves to another poster, emotionally or financially, than they can afford to spare.

ShesAYamEater · 05/05/2018 13:39

noughts im sorry if my last post sounded like all he had done was string you along - i didnt mean it quite like it read.

i think C did have feelings for you and 5 years is a long time - he sounds like he did have genuine affection for you but i also think within that, and with how you came to rely on him for support, it must have made him feel good about himself to think he was as important to you as he was.

i dont mean he was just stringing out along - but youre relationship made him feel good about himself.
that ended when it got a little too real, and a little too scary, and then when you let rip he will have felt the reality that you could wreak some real damage in his real life with his real wife and therefore, he ran away from you and the relationship.
it was real - but it was online. it wasnt there in front of him. you were a lovely little part of his life he kept tucked away from the rest - does that make sense?

when you pushed a little - when you wanted to move that line he had drawn, he ran.

please dont call him - he is telling you very clearly what he wants and you must now listen and accept it. calling would be a terrible idea and i think would leave you feeling worse.

i hope your antibiotics kick in soon and i hope with a bit of time you can do some nice things for yourself and maybe start to form some proper real physical interactions with others. i know thats hard - i really do.

keep going to the volunteer place - maybe even up it a bit to keep you busy and out of the house and away from the keyboard.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 06/05/2018 00:50

@ShesAYamEater

There is absolutely zero danger of me calling him now. Found out this evening he'd blocked me somewhere else - nowhere important, but just another blow to the stomach and a reminder that I have been well and truly ghosted. It fucking sucks to be cut off like this, without so much as a goodbye or 'I wish you well'.

But even I can't fail to get the hint now. I think I would have got it sooner, if it hadn't been for that fucking email a few days ago, which really gave me hope for a day or two. But the only thing that makes sense is that it was simply a glitch: I knew he'd had trouble with sending the letter initially, so perhaps google decided to send the aborted attempt 7 days later - I dunno.

So yeah, don't seem much option left to me but just to delete all traces of him from my laptop and phone. I don't want to do it, but what's left? Just painful reminders of a man who doesn't seem to give a single, solitary flying fuck about me anymore.

I was over at my parents' today. On the one hand it was good to be out of the flat and not on my own. On the other hand: my parents. My dad is a narcissist who has trained my mum to walk on eggshells around him and taught me to do the same - everything she tells me to do regarding him has the ultimate aim of placating him, so he doesn't get moody or insecure when I come around to visit. I'm tired of feeling manipulated, so I told my mum tonight I'm not going along with it anymore - he'll just have to get miserable. It's not like I have ever had a close relationship with my dad: he has been, variously, emotionally absent, emotionally abusive and occasionally even physically abusive.

So yeah, things are okay with my mum and dad for now, but there's always that feeling that things could go pear-shaped again. I think my mum does genuinely want to help me, but shit, she's in denial about so many things, it makes it hard.

My UTI is much, much better today, so there is that at least. Fingers crossed the antibiotics will clear it completely.

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lilybetsy · 06/05/2018 01:21

You GP is “weird” about giving you zopiclone because they are addictive, habituating and linked to long term depression and cognitive impairment (dementia) it’s good practice to not let people get addicted especially when you are also taking codeine.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 06/05/2018 01:49

^You GP is “weird” about giving you zopiclone because they are addictive, habituating and linked to long term depression and cognitive impairment (dementia) it’s good practice to not let people get addicted especially when you are also taking codeine."

So I get long term depression and cognitive impairment from no sleep instead - seems like a fair trade off. Even 10 pills a month would be a lot better than nothing.

Um, I'm not taking codeine. I took it yesterday for the unbearable UTI pain, but that's hardly an everyday occurrence.

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differentnameforthis · 06/05/2018 04:06

None of you lot can add to the pain I feel. You can try, but you won't manage it. You see, that's not what anyone on here is doing. No one wants to add to your pain. MN is straight talking. You won't get "huns/love/mate/guys" here, but you will get honestly, and if you want it, help

noughtsandcrosses123 · 09/05/2018 12:52

Folks, I'm struggling again.

I've been able to keep myself fairly busy this week. The worst times have usually been when waking up - I feel fine for a second or two, then the depression and heaviness hits me and I feel an overwhelming sense of futility. But once I'm up, dressed, and have had a cup of tea, I start to feel a bit more 'normal'.

I started the process of 'erasing' C from my phone and laptop. Managed to delete nearly all the photos and videos he sent, but had a stumbling block at the emails a couple of days ago: I had to stop because I was reading the emails as I deleted them, which led to some sort of weird panic attack - I had to stop.

Last night I slept dreadfully and woke up early. In my sleep-deprived state I couldn't stop thinking about C and ended up reading a really long email chain from last summer. At one point I am withdrawing from medication and really, really edgy: I asked C for tips on how to calm down. Part of his reply included this line: "TV helps too. As does masturbating. Can I say that yet? Is our friendship at that level yet? Well, even if it's not, I guess it is now. ;-)"

I jokily thanked him for the tips in my response, although made no reference to the masturbating part - I think I was too embarrassed to at the time.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is now. I dunno whether I want to vent, cry, ask for advice or what.

I just feel so fucking numb and angry. Obviously I haven't heard from C again. I saw him online once, on the sidebar in Gmail, that was it: if it's like everywhere else, he will have me blocked there too.

I dunno what to do. I'm stuck and obsessing over C again. I feel like a stupid, stupid, stupid fucking idiot for having told him I loved him now. That's something I don't think I have ever spontaneously told anyone else in my life - not my mum, anyone. I don't even feel comfortable in saying it in response to somebody telling me "I love you", so I usually don't - not that it exactly happens every day, but occasionally people have said it to me.

I just feel numb, hollow, empty, used in some way, even if nothing sexual ever happened. Nobody will probably read this bit, or acknowledge it if they do, but please remember that I'm on the autism spectrum and almost completely naive to male and female "friendships" and dating. That said, I'm not asexual: I just dunno how to have relationships.

Tell me what to do next plz, mumsnet.

PS: I still have hundreds of emails left to delete, plus other bits and pieces, plus all the stuff that's been stored in the Cloud. I'll have almost nothing left on my laptop and phone by the time I'm done :(

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