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Absolutely shattered from the end of a "friendship" with a married man

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 01/05/2018 13:23

Genuinely not sure how this will be received, but at this stage tut-tutting at me can hardly make things any worse! So be as blunt as you like. I don't care.

First off, about me: early 40s, single female, precious little life or sexual experience (for reasons which don't really matter here, I think, but 'high' functioning autism is certainly a part of it, as is a seriously dysfunctional family). Also suffers from severe depression and anxiety.

About C: early 50s, married man, lives in Canada. Wife is a stay-at-home wingnut, ie. she sits at home and reads bizarre right-wing nonsense on Twitter all day long. Doesn't do a stroke of work as far as I can tell. No children.

Right, well that's the protagonists sorted. I met C five years ago on an online depression forum. We clicked straight away and kept in touch via email or the forum. He was proper into me, more than I was into him. I don't mean he ever said anything explicitly sexual, but he would sing my praises and joke about being my stalker on the forum. Always used to sign off his posts to me with cute sayings too, such as 'hugs and stuff' or huggy emoticons. Here is one admittedly rather extreme example of a post about me from two years ago.

You're clever enough to root a tablet, you're funny enough to make the most jaded laugh, you're giving enough to draw compassion from the most hardened, you're brave enough to say no, you're brave enough to say yes, you're smart enough to guide your own treatment, you're humble enough to admit you're limitations, you're self-aware enough to know you need to change, you're articulate enough to quantify that change, you're pretty enough to catch an eye, you're wise enough to reach out for companionship, you're loved enough to have great friends, you're frugal enough to live on your own, you're dextrous enough to crush geometry dash, you're confident enough to have awful taste in music, you're patient enough to be my friend when I don't always deserve it, and you're more than human enough to make a positive impact in the people who get to know you.

Hugs n stuff.

I mean, he was literally still carrying on in that vein up to one week ago. This next bit is an extract from a letter from him to my medical team, which I never showed to anyone. I might now, but it would be for different reasons to what he intended.

Miranda is a highly gifted, exceptionally intelligent woman with a demonstrable talent for painting and sketching. Miranda has a quick wit and wonderful sense of humor, and has proven to be a loyal and valued friend. Miranda expresses a real affinity for animals and is a talented photographer, often posting pictures of her day-to-day encounters on social media. Miranda is active on many social media platforms, and is exceptionally helpful in forums dedicated to Depression, Crohn’s Disease, and Ulcerative Colitis. I first met Miranda on a social media forum for people with depression. I have been diagnosed with both MDD and GAD, which are currently managed effectively with a combination of SSRI medication and talk-therapy. Of note is the extended amount of time that was required for Miranda and me to create a foundation for honesty and openness. This significant time frame for trust, along with Miranda’s tendency for self-deprecation, has led me to believe that Miranda may be unconsciously underplaying the severity of her symptoms when discussing them with a clinician.

I'm not saying he always spoke like that, but he was a gushing sort of person in general. At the same time he never tried to hide the fact that he was married; indeed he seemed to show it off at times, like he was cheerfully reaping the benefits of cosy domesticity. For example he would talk about how he and his wife would "complement" each other, or how they would resolve disagreements. But, while he never ever slagged her off (to me in private or publically), he never really praised her either. He never banged on about her intelligence, her scintillating personality, her good looks or anything about her as a person really.

For the first few years I didn't give a shit about his wife. I didn't consider myself any threat to the marriage, as I wasn't interested in C that way for the longest longest time. Even now, looking back, I couldn't tell you when that began to change - I can only tell you what exacerbated it.

One was a series of personal tragedies in the past year which left me in a more vulnerable and low state than ever. I went into a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks over Christmas, then a day hospital for 2 weeks. The psychiatric ward was an acute ward, intended to stop people from killing or harming themselves, but otherwise offering no counselling or psychological interventions. The day hospital was better, but only because I had more freedom and there were a better set of people there (a couple of which I'm still in touch with).

The second was downloading WhatsApp to speak to my new chums from the day hospital. C was on WhatsApp already and so naturally we added each other. Well, speaking every day on an instant messenger really changed the dynamic somehow, at least for me. We'd always had a good rapport in the past; our senses of humour meshed together well and I found him genuinely easy to talk to, in a way I did with virtually nobody else.

Being "closer" to C meant and talking to him far more led to me slowly becoming more dependent on him. I started falling for him, and becoming increasingly frustrated by my own extreme isolation and singledom. I envied his wife badly - I think C actually enjoyed that part, although he had to pretend he didn't obviously.

I tried to contain my feelings but occasionally they would spill over into a whingefest, which C always appeared listen to patiently. But instead of my feelings getting better, they just got more intense. Three weeks ago they culminated in a total meltdown over one of C's few actually innocent comments about his wife! It didn't matter: I was too far gone. Er, what are the rules of talking about suicide on this forum? Don't want to breach any rules but I was very very suicidal, hopeless and despairing.

After a day or two of that, I recovered and realised I had pushed C too far with my suicide talk. I apologised and promised I would never try to involve him in my suicide plans again. One reason I 'selected' him to approach was because he had always been one of the calmest and least flappable people I know. I didn't want anyone panicking on me; least of all I did not want to go back into the psychiatric ward!

However, while I recovered in one way I relapsed in another way. I became completely dependent on C's posts now, fantasising about going to Canada and being with him - of course I was aware of the wife, and knew it would hardly be that simple, but it didn't stop me from dreaming about it sometimes. By this point I wanted him as way more than a friend.

2-3 weeks ago I cautiously spilled the beans about my love for him, hedging it by saying "I think I probably love you". I mean, he had told me he had loved me several times over the years (only ever as friends of course :eye-roll: ), but this was the first time I had told him that. Or anyone that, to be honest. He.... basically ignored it: said something else and then added at the end of it, "Thank you for being honest". I was taken aback, but also relieved he wasn't freaked out by the confession of love. In fact really relieved and was euphoric for a day or two. Then reality settled in again and I started wondering about that odd little comment of his.

I didn't dive straight into a confrontation, not wanting to lose the plot as I had done over the suicide business (ha!). Spent many days absolutely obessing over him, trying to work out his motives, ways in which our friendship was most likely to pan out, and basically longing for him. I could just about function as normal in the daytime, but the nights were a nightmare, often literally so. I could not sleep without sleeping pills and even if I took a pill, I was awake 3 hours later. Now my sleeping pill stash has dwindled to almost nothing and my GP won't give me more zoplicone.

Ultimately I concluded I had no real hope with C. He seemed to enjoy the life of a married man too much and there had never been any indication of him divorcing or leaving his wife. I got that bit right at least. What I didn't anticipate was how quickly it would all go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Told him yesterday on WhatsApp how I felt, but with more conviction this time, instead of pretending oh it was nothing really. He claimed that it hurt him, that he didn't make friends easily (neither do I m8), that he was open about our friendship with his wife and there was nothing he wouldn't share with her. That was the highlight. It just went downhill all the way from there. I asked him if he'd ever had more than platonic feelings for me; he just kept on playing the fucking friendship card over and over again, to the point where he contradicted himself with it. (First he said it was an age thing and that he felt "very protective" of me, then a few minutes later he said he "thought of me as a peer".) Near the beginning somewhere he did seem to briefly panic, saying "fuck fuck fuck" - he doesn't normally swear. But after that he recovered his poise and his blandness.

He then had to go a meeting, saying "Goodbye my best friend". After he had gone, I said forlornly, "Is this it? Is this really it?".

He replied a couple of hours later saying he thought so and that we couldn't keep on doing this to each other. At that point I just lost my temper. Told him I couldn't work out why he needed a "best friend" on the side, when he had a wife and brother that he talked to every day. That I couldn't make sense of any of it, none of it added up to me. He proclaimed he had a happy marriage, a good relationship with his brother and had had a wonderful friendship with me. I said that it didn't ring true; he actually seemed a little irked at that and asked why the hell not.

I said because he compartmentalised absolutely everything, and that I thought he was hiding stuff from himself. If not true love, then at least the fact that his fucking great marriage wasn't all that fucking great. I then questioned him about what his wife actually knew about us. Again, another contradiction. Apparently she knows absolutely everything under the sun that there is to know about us, but uh, he wasn't sure she if she had read our WhatsApp messages or not.

Here's one last gem from him:

I've told her about my feelings for you. I've told her that I loved you. I've told her about your feelings for me. I told her that I felt close to you and that we had what I felt was a real connection.

To which the only thing I could say was: "Jesus christ, I bet she loved that."

He said his final words to me after that. He said he had to stop contact "for a while", that this was "really hurting him" and that he hated it was ending "like this". I replied more calmly, but it made no difference. He never answered back. I didn't say anything else again for many hours until 3am, where, once again, I couldn't sleep for love or money. I sent a few more rambling posts into the void. (Mostly more querying of his actions/motives and telling him to stop lying to me and his wife.) I said I was going to sleep. An hour later, he had checked the replies (as shown by the blue ticks) - and blocked me without a word in response to anything I had said.

That was the straw which broke the camel's back.

I not only was beyond heartbroken, I now - in the space of literally seconds - saw him in a new and utterly ghastly new light. I dunno how I got through the next few hours tbh. I dunno how I'm getting through any of these nights at the moment tbh. Night time to me now feels like an endless void, with no sleep, no rest, no respite. And where time has crawled to a virtually infinite crawl.

I sent him some angry messages on Twitter and had a go at his wife for being racist. (She's more anti-immigrant than full-on racist, but not always much difference between the two.) I fully expect to be unfollowed on Twitter when he wakes up. And probably blocked on email too.

I apologise for the long wall of text, but I'm way too tired to go back now and try to significantly shorten it whilst retaining all the meaning. The tl;dr version is I had a 5-year-old close friendship with a married man, to which I thought there was something more and ultimately yearned extremely heavily for something more.

The thing which hurts the most is not the romantic rejection (although that certainly hurts as well), it's the being lied to and then ran away from. Up until yesterday I thought he was a good guy who had my back in all situations! Before him, my mum badly let me down. I genuinely feel like I will never be able to trust another person again. They can seem okay for years... and then, bam, they cut you off just like that. I can't deal with that. I don't know how to move on from here. The possibility of a romantic relationship with anybody at all, ever, has receded to zero.

OP posts:
Devilishpyjamas · 04/05/2018 06:59

You were a ‘safe’ friend for a married man to develop an intense friendship with. You are thousands of miles away and knew he was married. I’m sure his feelings were genuine but you were safely behind a clear boundary. You broke that and the only way he could reestablish that was to cut you off. I don’t think it’s anything more complicated than that. If you were both single maybe things would have developed, maybe not, but either way you broke his current boundary.

Do you have an ASD diagnosis? If so it may be worth trying to access therapy via that pathway. Can sometimes access different funding streams (admittedly rare), or maybe look at ASD charities? General MH services can be shockingly ignorant of the impact ASD can have on someone’s responses as well, so ASD specific therapy may be more effective.

If you don’t work where do you interact socially with others? Have you ever worked? Do you volunteer? Work isn’t all negative energy - it can provide us with all sorts of positive interactions as wel.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 10:02

^I ended up paying £20 p/h every other week.
Standard rate was £50^

I could stretch to £10/week, I reckon. Thank you.

My best guess is that OP wants therapy to validate thinking and behaviour which is unhelpful and damaging ( i.e.on line 'relationship' with a sophisticated troll).

Your best guess is wrong then. Please don't bother posting here again - you're not helping.

Well if your mental healthcare team feel you lack enough insight to benefit from talking therapy have they suggested an alternative? Maybe press them on what your options are?

My mental healthcare team barely know me, apart from my support worker - and she just parrots back to me whatever psychological services say about me. I haven't seen the psychiatrist in two years, and a psychologist for even longer.

I've asked my new care coordinator if I can come along with her to one of these discussions about me. She said somebody from psychology would be there at my med review (supposedly some time next week).

I think you have limerence and transference. I hope you feel well soon but feel the route to wellness for you is to step back and look at what has happened with a jaded eye. This will help with perspective. Time will also help bring perspective because as the heat goes out of this, you will start to see. I think you have been used to a degree and part of how you feel is anger at this. Time and distance will have you seeing more clearly

Thanks.

I’m the same as in I stopped reading when it came to the bit where there were nasty comments about his wife.

Bye love, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I am therapist in an NHS service (qualified in integrative psychotherapy and CBT) and actually I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. CBT is fine for some clients and some presentations but it definitely has its limitations and is not for everyone and I am certainly not surprised it didn’t work for you.

It’s such a shame there is nothing more offered to you, (although I would be slightly concerned about your suicide risk increasing and I wonder if that’s a factor?) The truth is due savage and ongoing cuts to funding MH services simply aren’t able to treat people effectively, and you’re right it’s unfair to blame the patient for inadequate provision.

Thank you for that. Really.

I occasionally complain about it to the people I meet in my mental health "journey", but I get the feeling that most of them would rather maintain the illusion (to the patient at least) that help is readily available and ongoing, when in my experience neither of those things are true. You have to reach crisis point to get help, and even then it's usually a brief-as-possible patch up job, eg I was in a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks, but given no counselling/therapy or one to one during that time (in theory you could ask for one to one with your allocated member of staff, which literally changed twice a day. The same staff who appeared, almost uniformly, to regard the patients as nuisances to be endured).

Anyway you mentioned MIND. I haven't asked them about low-cost counselling, no. I will now, though - thanks.

If you were both single maybe things would have developed, maybe not, but either way you broke his current boundary.

Yeah, that's what I think.

I still miss him like hell and wish to god I could go back to how things were. I accept I overstepped the mark and pushed it too far. He's married, and he wants to stay married to his wife - I get that. I now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's never gonna leave her and doesn't want to leave her. And that's okay. I just wish I could back to our former, less intense, friendship over email (no more WhatsApping).

I'm probably deluding myself that we can ever talk on friendly terms again, but right now I can't bring myself to give up that hope.

To answer your questions:

1). Yes, I have an ASD diagnosis. Got it in 2014. The pathway began with a referral to the hospital psychologist by my consultant; the psychologist decided he couldn't help me, but he referred me to a mental health service who he thought could - from that came my eventual ASD diagnosis.

I have tended to interact mainly with my parents and, if he's around, my brother. But that's not been a healthy relationship, to put it mildly. And I've had a few estrangements from my parents now, with the most recent and longest one being six months.

Unlike a couple of years ago, I do speak to more people outside the family now e.g. other volunteers, a couple of people I was with at the day hospital. But I do find it a bit frustrating at how virtually impossible it is to develop anything further; partly because I don't know how to, and partly because everyone my age seems to have their own circle of family and friends already.

I worked a long time ago. Never adapted well to the workplace after leaving school/college. My dad used to absolute detest working and let it overshadow his life, to the detriment of us who couldn't escape the cloud of misery whenever he was around. Whenever I used to complain to my mum that work was "boring", she said that all work was boring and I should get used to it.

Eventually I got onto benefits and stopped working altogether - that wasn't a deliberate plan in any way, I might add. But between depression, undiagnosed ASD and Crohn's, I gradually transformed into a reclusive NEET for many years.

I do volunteer and that has been a good thing. Just a few hours of gardening a week, but it does help. I reckon I'd be even more batshit if I hadn't had that to go to for the last year and a half.

OP posts:
OhGood · 04/05/2018 10:12

OP, I can see you're suffering and it sounds devastating to you.

I think a social forum might not be the most helpful place for you to be discussing this, especially as you're so fragile right now.

IrianOfW · 04/05/2018 10:36

So sorry OP. It sounds to me like he was getting a lot from your relationship too but it was just too much of a risk when you seemed to want more. He thought it was a 'safe' relationship stuck away on the internet but that was a stupid and selfish game to play.

I wish I had advice. As someone who has suffered from depression (still does) I am lucky enough that the thin and intermittent stream of MH provision has been enough for me (so far). I can't imagine your frustration.

My go-to self-medication is running but I accept that may not be appropriate.

Keep posting xx

Lizzie48 · 04/05/2018 10:46

My 9 year old DD1 is on the spectrum (SPD), and she takes things very literally. It really upsets her when someone doesn't do what they say they'll do. I think you took this man totally literally, didn't see his gushing words as being just so much drivel, seeing as you only met online. You also see everything in black and white terms; people are not generally nice or horrible. So his wife will be, like all of us, a complicated mixture of good points and flaws. My DD is again like this.

This man was probably basking in your admiration of him, and for him it was escapism. He pulled back when he realised he was out of his depth. I'm not surprised he blocked you tbh.

DairyisClosed · 04/05/2018 11:58

I think that you may have made his friendship with you into something that it wasn't or rather took it further than he intended for it to go. It is probably for best that it is over. Focus on yourself and getting better Flowers

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 13:16

I think a social forum might not be the most helpful place for you to be discussing this, especially as you're so fragile right now.

Some of the replies have certainly frustrated me, but I've had enough decent replies to make it worth having posted on this board. And even some of the "bad" replies have contained a few good points, which I'm sure my subconscious is pondering upon.

Keep posting xx

Thanks :)

My 9 year old DD1 is on the spectrum (SPD), and she takes things very literally. It really upsets her when someone doesn't do what they say they'll do. I think you took this man totally literally, didn't see his gushing words as being just so much drivel, seeing as you only met online. You also see everything in black and white terms; people are not generally nice or horrible. So his wife will be, like all of us, a complicated mixture of good points and flaws. My DD is again like this.

That's... the thing. Everything you say sounds reasonable on the surface. And anything I say will sound like I'm in denial. I'm going to have a go at explaining anyway.

I don't think I do take things extremely literally. I've always liked stories; used to read loads, especially as a child. I dunno about when I was as young as 9, but certainly from adolescence onwards I never felt like I struggled with 'getting' jokes, metaphors, analogies, etc.

I do think I'm more pedantic than most people, and more concerned with the precise meaning of words. I'm a stickler for getting things the details right as far as possible. But that's not the same thing as literally taking things literally and believing every word you are told unquestioningly. I'm actually a really sceptical person about everything. I used to have idols as a teenager, but then all those idols turned out to have feet of clay and I realised that not only was nobody perfect, nobody could be perfect. Even the best people have flaws.

I also don't really openly admire or praise people a lot: I'm reserved in that way.

Thus whatever C was getting out of me, it wasn't adoring admiration. He never got that from me, not even in the final weeks. If anything, for most of our friendship he seemed more smitten with me - to the point where I backed off occasionally 'cos I wondered if he was getting a tad too keen. It was only in the last few months that the dynamics really began changing between us. I can't explain why. It seems unlikely that moving onto WhatsApp was solely to blame, so I think there had to be other factors too - I probably became more dependent and needy as a result of the bad events that I couldn't come to terms with. And in response to that increased neediness, I think C changed as well.

Whilst I'm still utterly depressed, I think I'm finally beginning to see what happened a little bit more clearly now, although there's still a lot of fog - and some things I'll never know.

PS: I just remembered telling C a few weeks ago that I just couldn't process anything. It all kept going round and round in my brain, and nothing was getting processed and dealt with. I mean, fuck, all the signs of a breakdown were there: but I couldn't recognise them in time to save a friendship.

OP posts:
StarUtopia · 04/05/2018 13:27

Listen. I don't have MH issues but I was utterly devastated when an online 'relationship' i had with a guy for nearly 18months ended out of the blue. That was 10 years ago and ouch, I'll be honest, still hurst if i think about it. It does feel real. But you've got to remember, it's an addiction. How the words they write make you feel etc etc.

You were a ‘safe’ friend for a married man to develop an intense friendship with. You are thousands of miles away and knew he was married. I’m sure his feelings were genuine but you were safely behind a clear boundary. You broke that and the only way he could reestablish that was to cut you off. I don’t think it’s anything more complicated than that. If you were both single maybe things would have developed, maybe not, but either way you broke his current boundary.

^^ This x100. And that's exactly what happened to me too.

You need to, in the nicest possible way, get a grip and work on your real life. Real people. Real interactions. They won't feel the same. You are going to be like an addict withdrawing. You will need support so I suggest going to the GP (even if you think it won't be useful) and asking for counselling.

I do wish you well.

Lizzie48 · 04/05/2018 13:36

I was thinking more about your negative impression of this man's wife, who you've never met. It makes it easier for you if you can see the wife as being a piece of work. People are far more complex than that in reality.

And it actually isn't anything to do with you what she's like, is it? He's the one married to her, and if he's happy to be with her that's his life.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 15:23

I've only read your first post - very carefully OP - nobody else's and not your subsequent posts because I want to comment on your first post.

These are my comments:

  1. He, almost certainly, has not told his wife anything about you at all and he definitely will not have told her about his feelings for you. It might make you feel good that you feature in his life, with his wife, but I believe that is a fallacy. You don't. His wife is his priority, first, last and always.
  1. You manipulated, or tried to manipulate him, in respect of your feelings. You told him how you feel, how you felt and tried to glean the same from him, tried to get him to tell you the same. That was a mistake - it either comes naturally from the other person or what you receive is a long list of fakery. That's what you got - fakery.
  1. Whether you recognise it or not, you've been pushing him into a decision, you wanted action and you were determined to get it. He wasn't going to leave his wife, you've been kidding yourself that he was ever going to do that and you've been artificially putting him in a 'level pegging' situation with your thoughts and feelings. Again, that was unfair. Your feelings, your problem. He doesn't have to feel the same as you.
  1. The suicide thing is outrageous behaviour from you. You've merrily engaged in this friendship and, because you don't like the lack of forward motion, the lack of reciprocated feelings, you start talking about suicide. You then faux-apologised only to give you an 'in' to start talking in those terms again, however loosely.
  1. He has cut you off in the only way he knew how to do it. He's almost certainly been looking for a way out of this 'friendship' for some time now but has been worried over your reaction and what you might do. That's because your words and actions (in your first post) are very derogatory about his wife and very presumptive about his feelings towards his marriage. You've somehow managed to extrapolate some minor comments and 'colour in the picture' so that it's palatable for you. It's fake though, you know it, and that's why you're hurting.

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I'm sorry to be brusque with you but it was your decision to play this very dangerous game. Your choice. You could have backed away at any time and you chose not to. I can't comment on his behaviour because I don't know what he did or didn't do - there's only what's presented here through your eyes.

Anyway, this relationship is over. You know that, don't you? That's why you're posting because you can't believe it, never thought it would turn out like this and you want to keep talking about it as some great love affair. It really wasn't. It was a diversion for him, a distraction, and you've painted it as something that it never was. That's too bad.

Your behaviour has been pretty awful even without the affair. I don't feel sorry for him that you manipulated him because he chose this too - but I don't feel sorry for you either.

Stay away from him and his wife. He is no longer part of your life and never was to the degree you've pretended to yourself that he was.

Finding someone else to trust should not be your first priority now. You need to get some help, some therapy to address how you let yourself fall into this - and some ways to cope with what has happened so that you can regroup and start again - on an equal footing this time, no more dramas and no more show-casing.

In case you wondered; I was an OW myself - long-term - I was younger then but your post makes perfect sense to me. I remember thinking at the time how apt the saying was that "Affairs are something you do when you're not quite ready for suicide". It's true. What a waste that would be.

Get professional help underway as soon as you can and stop looking at his/his wife's social media. That is stalking and his/their life is none of your business.

I wish you well, in every sense. Get help.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 15:32

I've read the rest of your posts now OP. The only thing that rings out loud and clear is your obsession with this man. It's one-sided.

Bollocks to your comment that you can't get help from your GP. Explain your feelings about this man, your fixation and your feelings of being suicidal and you will get help.

I'm not going to indulge you in talking about this man, it's doing no good at all. The only person of importance here is you. You need to wash your hands of this friendship, cut all contact with this man, delete all modes of contact - and seek help that is out there.

It is out there. You will not be indulged in talking about this man there though either. Because it's not helpful to you and your recovery.

He does not, did not, feel the same way as you did. That's it really. In a nutshell. Sorry.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 15:51

@LyingWitch

  1. This is probably right. I do find it hard to believe that he would have told his wife everything about me, including any feelings he may have had for me and vice versa. I mean, not unless he hates her and I certainly don't think he does.
  1. Yeah, I did. Once. In one conversation at the end of five years. It was a bad mistake, but I hardly spent five years telling him that I loved him, ffs.
  1. See number 2. Yes, I did. Once. Or twice if you include a conversation two weeks before the final conversation.
  1. This one is absolute shit. You have no fucking idea. No idea whatsoever.
  1. I tried to give him a way out a couple of weeks before we actually fell apart. He didn't address it and when I tentatively brought it up, he just said "Not today" and winked. Now that doesn't mean if he hadn't leapt at the chance, I wouldn't have been hurt by it - and maybe even caused a scene, who knows. But I was very conscious of NOT wanting to keep him tied to me with emotional manipulation and suicide threats.

So, no, I don't think he was looking for a way out. I think he wanted to carry on being on my friend up until the very last conversation, where I forced him into a confrontation that he couldn't bear. If I had to redo it over, I wouldn't have that final confrontation again - I bitterly regret that now. I didn't get any answers and I've lost a good friend.

Get professional help underway as soon as you can and stop looking at his/his wife's social media. That is stalking and his/their life is none of your business.

His wife added me to her Twitter ages ago and I added her back. Wish she had never done so now, 'cos I certainly don't like her political views. I truly and honestly would far rather have lived in blissful ignorance, thinking she was probably a semi saint or something.

Oh yeah, and I saw her instagram once, but only cos the husband linked me to it. Got no idea what else she does on the internet, where else she goes, and don't want to know now, that's for sure.

OP posts:
noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 15:52

Bollocks to your comment that you can't get help from your GP. Explain your feelings about this man, your fixation and your feelings of being suicidal and you will get help.

Ahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha.

Are you joking? I've been trying to get help for 10 years now.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 16:02

Is that right? In which case you'll need to take that up with the practice manager and escalate. If you're saying that they won't take your comments about suicidal feeling seriously then your MP is the next step.

If you've been going through this for ten years then what have you actually done about it to access the help that you need?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 16:05

Delete and block. If you're serious then that's what you'd do. If you're serious, that is. Get well or don't. Your choice. You can't do that with any contact with him/his wife.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 17:46

The first time I got taken seriously about reporting feeling suicidal was last December. They persuaded me to go inpatient, which I did for 3 weeks. Afterwards I went to the day hospital for 2 and a half weeks, where we did courses in mindfulness, anxiety management, etc. The day hospital actually helped a fair bit, not because of the content of the courses, but because I was with a good set of people who supported each other.

I was able to keep the momentum going for a few weeks after leaving the day hospital, but the depression and sense of overwhelming futility gradually returned. I just didn't have enough to do or anything to look forward to. Everything seemed pointless and I had no energy. The only thing I managed to keep up with was my volunteer gardening.

I can't fucking decide about the delete and block now. I'm still holding out for being able to talk to C, if I'm honest. I can't bear the thought that it was me who ended a good friendship.

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 17:48

On top of all this, I've also had some of the worst pain I've ever had this week, thanks to a UTI or possible kidney stone. Never had a UTI before so this type of pain is new to me and grim, grim, grim.

Like, if I had to nominate the worst week of my life I'm pretty sure it would be this one. And it's not like I'm short of candidates for the worst week ever :(

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ShesAYamEater · 04/05/2018 17:54

noughts - you didnt end a good friendship.

1/ it wasnt a good frienship. it was an ego massage for him.
2/ it wasnt that good in reality
3/ he ended it when it got real

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 18:01

Agree totally with ShesAYamEater.

noughts until you stop revising (incorrectly) and playing this out in your head on a loop, you will not recover.

You didn't' end this friendship, he did. He wanted to end it... so he did. You could have been anybody. Do not think that you were special to him because you weren't. Anybody can type platitudes and pages of nothingness. Don't be so foolish to believe it.

If you don't delete and block then more fool you. It's over.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 18:05

... and I would do it before HE deletes and blocks you, because that will hurt and believe me, it's coming.

I'm not going to comment anymore on this drama; it's done.

What help are you getting for your UTI? Will you be referred to see if it's kidney stones? You have my absolute sympathies there as I've heard that they're excruciating.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 18:10

He's blocked me already on WhatsApp and Twitter :-/ Don't blame him for Twitter though, 'cos I had a complete meltdown on there.

Making me feel like I was used for 5 years isn't great for my ego, guys. I really really really don't want to see it that way.

But I'm starting to think the people on here telling me to block and delete may have a point. I'm starting to feel a bit mental over him again; that weird email I got yesterday (which may have been a glitch) and the resounding silence since then is fucking with my brain.

But christ I can't bear the thought he was just fucking with me to feed his ego. It's just hard to see it that way... I was never chasing after him until the very end. And I'm not somebody who's massively desirable in general; I'm not particularly pretty or attractive to most guys (and yeah, we did send up-to-date photos of ourselves to each other).

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noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 18:12

Oh, I've started a 3 day course of an antibiotic beginning with N for the UTI. The reason I fear kidney stones is that I'm at a higher-than-normal risk for them as it is and so far the antibiotic doesn't seem to be making any difference. (Admittedly it is still the first day, but I've been in panic mode all week.)

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/05/2018 18:18

Give it a few days to see if the antibiotics kick in, sometimes it can take a couple or a few days to start feeling better. I'm on antibiotics myself at the moment for a jaw infection and it's day 2 and still painful.

Go back to your GP on Tuesday to change them if not better by Monday? Bank Holiday weekends can be tricky with medical appointments but don't suffer in pain.

I hope you can recharge your batteries a bit this weekend and that your antibiotics will at least take the edge off.

Sometimeitrains · 04/05/2018 18:45

OP i dont think this guy sat there and thought im going to string this woman along for 5 years to get my ego massaged.

I suspect he just didnt think full stop.

He was getting something out of the interaction just as you were.

To me it just sounds as if he had a reality check realised what you were both doing wasnt good for his mental health.

Or he did tell his wife about things and when he told her about the last exchange they decided that it was a step too far.

Either way at some point you will have to accept that you will never know and focus on something else. I.e you.

noughtsandcrosses123 · 04/05/2018 18:45

Thanks LyingWitch.

I'll probably go to Urgent Care on Sunday or Monday, if that godawful, hideous, benighted pain comes back. It hasn't completely gone away but painkillers have muted it for now at least.

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