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A thread to moan on until I’m rid of exP

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UnimaginativeUsername · 17/03/2018 20:30

(Ex)P and I are separating but we have to live together until we sell this house (due to finances). So I thought I’d start a thread to help me get through the next few months.

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 18/03/2018 08:08

I feel for you. I am going through the same thing. We are waiting for mediation and then he is going to move out. About 13 weeks to go. It's really tough, he doesn't want it and is making me feel so guilty every step of the way.

UnimaginativeUsername · 18/03/2018 20:36

@shitwithsugaron: well clearly you’re completely selfish and money grabbing. Because people supremely motivated by money go part time so they can look after their children.

@NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 I hope the mediation helps. At least you’ve got an end date. That’s something to focus on.

Today’s moan about my horrible ex: He took DS2 to swimming club tonight (he hates doing this because you have to hang around for an hour). I do it in wednesdays (usually after working all day, coming in and cooking dinner, running DS1 to Beavers where he’s a YL, coming back and cleaning up the kitchen because ex wouldn’t do it, and then I take DS2 to swimming club). In Sunday’s ex takes him so that I can cook dinner to be ready when DS2 gets in. Ex cannot cook. He can make (bad, unseasoned) scrambled eggs and toast. That’s it.

I said I was perfectly happy to take DS2 to swimming tonight. So ex asked if I would phone a takeaway if I did that because how else would dinner materialise. He was very concerned there’d be no dinner. Or takeaway (which he always complains about). Because I can’t cook dinner to be ready the instant DS2 gets home and take him to swimming Ex took him. So I made fish and chorizo (because ex doesn’t like fish and is weird about cured meats). Both children love fish and chorizo though.

They got home at the usual time, just as I’m putting dinner. DS2 really needed the toilet when he came in and didn’t shut the back door properly. It’s freezing and windy. The door blew open and got stuck that way. Ex got really angry and nasty and aggressive trying to fix it. I actually had to suggest how to get the door to shut because I’m much better at working things out than him. Did he acknowledge this? Of course not.

The worst thing is that he was really awful to DS2. He kept going on about how he should have shut the door and it was his fault. DS2 thought he had shut the door and ended up crying. So I took him upstairs for a shower to calm him down (and we’d come back for dinner after that). DS2 was really upset so I reassured him that he’d done nothing wrong and it was just an accident.

While DS was in the shower, ex came into the bathroom really aggressively. He announced that I should go away and he’d do the shower because ‘you’re not doing that’. I think he was trying to imply that I was trying to turn DS against him but (as usual) I’m pretty sure that’s because he would love to be able to turn DS against me. Generally the things he accuses me of are indications of his petty, vindictive mindset rather than reflections of anything I do.

I stood my ground and calmly said that I was sorting this out and we’d be down for dinner once DS2 had his pyjamas on. Ex didn’t go down and eat because that would involve sitting with DS1 who ex won’t even acknowledge exists (because he’s a petty, nasty arsehole).

During dinner ex shouted at DS2 at least 3 times about cutting up his potatoes. Dinners involving ex are always really tense and unpleasant. No one can really talk about anything and ex complains at DS2 about table manners constantly.

I’m going to have to do something about it. I resent ex eating the food I make, especially when he creates an atmosphere. I hate the way he treats DS1 and his behaviour towards DS2 is increasingly worrying. He’s hyper-critical and regularly makes DS2 cry. Problem is that he genuinely believes that he’s perfect and totally right. And he’s super manipulative so you cannot discuss anything with him.

A few weeks ago ex was away with work for most of a week. The house was so much more relaxed and everyone was happy. Within 30 minutes of ex returning DS2 was shouting and crying and everyone was horribly tense. Once I’ve got my own place we can have peace and tranquillity all the time!

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UnimaginativeUsername · 18/03/2018 20:42

Chronicling all the shit ex does is quite cathartic. And it gives me something to look back at if I’m ever feeling down about the end of a decade long relationship. It’s so easy to slip into focusing on the loss of what you’d hoped the relationship would actually be. The reality of it puts a stop to any nostalgia or regrets about it ending.

(I’ll still have my regrets for sticking it out so bloody long though).

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Ariesgirl1988 · 18/03/2018 23:56

If this thread helps you post away! I don't know why you make ex dinner i sure as hell wouldn't if thats his attitude! and I don't think it will be too long before your DS2 tells you he no longer wants to see his dad going by his behaviour. How old are your children if you don't mind me asking?

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 00:06

DS1 is 17. DS2 is 8.

I don’t make ex dinner. I make dinner for me and the children; he’s around and the food is there so he gets to eat some of it. I also don’t want to make a scene over it and try to appear completely amicable for DS2’s sake. He’d wonder why his dad wasn’t allowed to eat with us when he’s in the house, despite the fact that ex creates an atmosphere at dinner. The food is there anyway, so I just try to be the better person.

Ex is sneaky and manipulative and I know he wants to try to engineer situations where he can claim I’m the bad guy. So I’m not letting him do that. This morning DS2 asked if I’d make waffles for breakfast. Ex asked in front of DS2 if he was ‘allowed’ to have some. That’s classic passive aggressive ex; he knows I can’t say no without looking like I’m being horrible to him for no reason in front of DS2.

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GreenTulips · 19/03/2018 00:10

He should shop and make his own dinner (and once a week cook for the kids as he needs to practise)

Stop doing this stuff! I really hope you've stopped the washing and ironing etc

Ariesgirl1988 · 19/03/2018 00:17

@UnimaginativeUser

fair enough then. You're a much better person than I am I don't think I would be able to bite my tongue like you have! He probs ignores DS! out of fear since he's at the age where he will likely stick up for you, ( I've done this with my mum) or as you say he's an arsehole as well lol You're right to just keep calm and carry on let the man dig his own grave and you can bet he will blame you when DS2 starts to not wanna see him my bio dad did that but it was all his own fault moral of the story is don't use your children as pawns in a "game" against their mum. Has DS1 said anything about your ex's behaviour?

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 00:18

I certainly do not wash or iron his clothes. Nor do I do anything directly for him.

I’d be cooking for me and DS1 anyway. There’s no way ex would cook for him. Nor would DS1 want him to. And DS2 would rather have what we’re having than scrambled eggs on toast. Obviously he’ll have to put up with it when he’s at his dad’s but at the moment he’s be most put out if he wasn’t allowed the nice dinner I make.

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UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 00:28

Has DS1 said anything about your ex's behaviour?

Yes. We regularly talk about it and how utterly pathetic it is. The fact is that my 17 year old is able to be much more mature and reasonable than his stepfather.

He understands that I am doing everything I can to be reasonable and to try to avoid DS2 being used as a pawn. Unfortunately I cannot control ex’s behaviour.

DS1 is glad that ex basically ignores him now. It means he doesn’t have to interact with him or put up with ex. He rolls his eyes at the crap ex pulls.

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Dynamitewithalaserbeam · 19/03/2018 00:33

I'm in the same situation - "ex" announced three months ago he has a gf, but she doesn't live near enough to his work so he's going to carry on living here while spending weekends with her. We've been married over 30 years, I have no income, I started off being civil but now I fucking hate him.

He's surprised that our (almost adult) kids think this isn't ok and don't want to talk to him. Apparently I've alienated them from him Confused

His latest thing - he's taken to cancelling anything I put on the household expenses credit card. Tonight I tried to send money to my son in Aus (he needs it to pay a house deposit, and it's his money, we are simply holding it for him) and ex declined the transaction. Without telling me.

Fucking arse.

Dynamitewithalaserbeam · 19/03/2018 00:36

Why don't these men realise that the kids can see straight through them?

I've suggested to (hopefullysoontobe)ex that if he was slightly less awful to me, the kids might be nicer to him, but no, apparently they wouldn't mind at all about the girlfriend and the money and the fact that I'm going to have to sell the house they've lived in all their lives, if only I wasn't so negative it would all be fine and dandy.

Ariesgirl1988 · 19/03/2018 00:39

@UnaminaginativeUser

Sounds like DS1 is alot more mature than your ex! I like his attitude to being ignored though that he doesn't have to interact with him lol thats me when I'm at work with people I can't stand!

@Dynamitewithlaserbeam wow your ex sounds like a cunt! actually witholding his own sons money! You should get some evidence of his cheating (for legal reasons) and then change your bloody locks and tell him to go stay with his gf

ZenNudist · 19/03/2018 00:46

Sorry you are going through thus but really pleased you are going to get away from him.

Bring it on!

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 07:31

@Dynamitewithalaserbeam your ex sounds like a nightmare. What kind of father cancels a payment of a house deposit (of the adult child’s own money)?

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LexieLulu · 19/03/2018 08:34

Your ex sounds like a horrible man! I can imagine in the future your DS2 will cut him out and it will be ex's fault

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 17:21

TBH I hope that ex changes so DS2 will want to have a relationship with him. I definitely do not want him to hate his dad. I just wish ex could realise that being hyper critical is not the way to get the best out of anyone. Nor is telling them what they’re thinking. And it’s not counteracted by doing a super fun dad act at bedtime.

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Ariesgirl1988 · 19/03/2018 19:37

@UnimaginativeUser

I totally understand your point my mum and her family really kept it buttoned what they thought of my bio dad he did some terrible stuff to my mum but they were still nice enough to allow my bio dad to drop me and my siblings off at their place (he had an injunction against him barring him from going within a few mile radius of my mum) and they acted all friendly towards him that I didn't realise how much they hated him til I was well into adulthood. Sadly going by your ex's behaviour your DS2 will probably start feeling like he wants nothing to do with him at some point which is sad but sometimes for the best ever since my bio dad has been out of my life things were so much calmer and there was no walking on egg shells and being let down when he didn't turn up and it will really be you ex's own fault if that happens and he will probs blame you people like this can never take responsibility for themselves its always everyone else's fault they're perfect and always right Hmm

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 20:07

I’ve just seen a job in my area that’s come up in my hometown. (Jobs come up fairly irregularly). I’m tempted to apply for it, even though getting it would mean moving away from here if I got it. If it weren’t for wanting to ensure DS2 sees his father regularly, I’d apply without hesitation.

On the plus side the job is better than the one I have now. And I’d be moving back home where I have friends and family support. It’s where DS1’s dad lives. (It’s also in Scotland so there’s the whole free university thing too). And it’s home in a way this city never will be. But it’s 2 1/2 hours from here, and here I’d where ex’s job is (his family are even further away in the opposite direction). On the other hand, I think ex would apply for jobs elsewhere if we weren’t here. I know he feels he’s been held back in his career by not being able to move for promotions (while, at the same time, ignoring the fact that I’ve been destroying my career so that he can have his).

Obviously I might not even get an interview. But I need to think about whether I want to apply. It would be a good way of getting my career back on track.

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Ariesgirl1988 · 19/03/2018 20:12

Go for it! it can't hurt to apply and if you get it take the kids and go kids are resilient and adaptable plus it would be a fresh start for all of you Smile and you ex probs doesn't get promoted cos he's a dick and his colleagues know it

UnimaginativeUsername · 19/03/2018 20:18

Haha. Well not being able to move does tend to reduce your promotion prospects in academia. Unfortunately being a dick doesn’t appear to have the same effect though.

I think I might give it a go. I’ll probably not even get an interview, never mind the job. I can worry about the logistics and whether it’s fair on DS2 and ex in the unlikely event I’m offered the job.

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Ariesgirl1988 · 19/03/2018 20:30

Exactly apply now think later about the move and stuff sounds like a good option to me you get away from that prick and a new start Smile

Thebluedog · 20/03/2018 08:12

Go for it OP

janetheimpaler · 20/03/2018 10:13

Apply for the job, put your energy into the application process/interview. Worry about the move if you get a job offer.

iwantanewusername · 20/03/2018 17:56

Ahh can I join here please? Divorce process is ongoing, having to live together for the same reasons as you OP - can't afford to rent and pay the mortgage.

On the whole we're ok, but he has his moments of being a dick. Deep down I think he still expects me to be the wife, as we're technically still married.

He doesn't want this, is burying his head in the sand about it all. He hoards everything! I have blitzed the house as much as I can to get it into a position to sell it but he is dragging his heels and some days I feel like I will never leave - we will be divorced but forever together, in this fucking house!

sonjadog · 20/03/2018 19:01

Apply for the job! You can decide if you really want it or not further down the line.