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Dating Thread 128: the one without a catchy title

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RunsforCake14 · 11/02/2018 11:15

Dating thread rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is you don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread
OP posts:
Kinunir · 20/02/2018 17:35

I think I need to hear harsh Vet, in order to help me make the right decision here.

SavageBeauty73 · 20/02/2018 17:46

Ohhhh can I join. Saw this thread mentioned on another thread.

I've had numerous horrendous Tinder dates and got my first Bumble date on Friday. We spoke on the phone (new vetting technique to try and stop time wasters) and he was lovely. We'll see. I have absolutely no expectations.

ignoringthechoc · 20/02/2018 17:51

Hi Beautypretty quiet at the mo, I'm only here as I skived off work early :)
I haven't tried Bumble, only been on POF as volume seems higher round here, hope your date goes well.

MissCatt · 20/02/2018 17:54

Thanks Kin, Mum and Ignoring. That's all the confirmation I needed! I shan't message again. I would feel needy and stupid - of which I am neither. But it's so rare I see a guy I'm attracted to physically that it's a bit frustrating. Bullet dodged. I wouldn't want to be with someone so rude and his FB activity, his looks, his behaviour remind me SO much of Mr Headfuck who I'm not over, it's probably just projection on my part. His loss.

Love Interesting you say that... and doh to finding one who lives at home!!! Deeply unattractive! I've also been dabbing on a hook up site these last few days just looking obvs and I have had far more reasonable and intelligent conversations with guys there than any OLD site. I've had two decent sounding men say they want to meet for coffee/a drink and see if there's chemistry. They've sent private face shots (cos that's not what you generally get to see on their profiles!) and they're pretty OK looking. Obviously the connotation is that if we click, the idea is to have sex with no strings. I couldn't do that without a connection/attraction, but it's looking like an option while The One continues to evade me. I am also in search of a date by the weekend, or at least the end of the month. It's been too long!

CoverMeLads · 20/02/2018 18:04

Ooh, it’s busy in here. Back in a bit, just wanted to drop this off as it made me laugh today.
May we all feel like this on our next date Grin

Dating Thread 128: the one without a catchy title
Lostlily · 20/02/2018 18:20

so at what point is it sensible to stop chatting/dating others?
I know some of you juggle a few up in the air at a time...? I am wondering about this now as its so easy to go 'all in' and think you are starting a relationship only to be let down after a few weeks and feel a fool

ignoringthechoc · 20/02/2018 18:26

I think that's different for everyone, I tend to focus on one person and hide my profile for a bit to give it a chance but others keep chatting, whatever you are comfortable with I guess :)

Pogmella · 20/02/2018 18:41

Sigh. Seeing my FWB tomorrow and its going very predictably. I don't have time to see more than 1 person so am more invested than him. I don't want to stop seeing him because it is fun, I don't want an actual relationship until I'm divirced/ExH has more contact time (So June/July probably). Do I have to bite the bullet and duck out altogether for a few months? I think I know the answer... it's just frustrating being the only responsible parent basically to facilitate my Ex's new relationship Hmm

anitt · 20/02/2018 18:44

Kin Just another chorus to add that this does not sound like its leading anywhere good for you. Worst case: she's just using you for your money. Best case: shes lovely, but needs a lot of counselling, to work on herself and is unlikely to be an equal in your relationship any time soon....and she's enjoying your money.

I hear you about OLD being tough, but I'm fairly certain there are much better options out there! Do you try and meet people in outside as well? As various people on the thread have talked about before, dating is a numbers game. OLD broadens the horizons, but I personally also do my best to get out in, make sure my friends know I'm single (and willing to mingle), try and get involved in hobbies/go for social activities/do whatever that will get me meeting new people. Because at the end of the day, all it takes is one random acquintance or random coincidence to meet the one. I stumbled across this the other day and it seems like there might be worth a read:

How can I ask my friends to do some matchmaking on my behalf

esk1mo · 20/02/2018 18:53

MissCatt what hook up site do you use? i like the idea in theory but im not sure it would work in practice for me.

i like the build up of fancying someone and wondering when you will DTD. but NSA would be pretty good right about now..

Buymeamojitonow · 20/02/2018 18:54

Hey everyone
I dip my toe into this thread every now and again when I need advice . But read it everyday without fail .
KIN ... I feel your are settling for less than you deserve, Better to have no one than the wrong one . Her morals or lack of them are disgraceful. She is having a great time . You are clearly not . Even if you kept seeing her do you want to spend the rest of your life paying for her .
I have been In relationship with someone earning 10 times me but still payed for things , a coffee and cake at a cafe , drinks when we out , often he refused my money but at least I offered .
I was married to a man who abused and cheated on me , didn't put me off sex just made me less confident and needing more reassurance from a partner .
There are many on here myself included looking for a man like you in our area . Lol . Not because you have money but because your are obviously a nice genuine gentleman and they are scarce . xx

Kinunir · 20/02/2018 19:05

anitt Meeting outside is tricky - I work in a male dominated industry and mostly from home too. Only ever kept a small handful of close, 30 year+ friends and all have married, partnered up or moved away in the last 8 months so lacking opportunities there unfortunately.

Buy That's the important factor here I think - I'm not enjoying it, spending too much time thinking instead of enjoying the moment. Thank you for your kind words.

saveyourkissesforme · 20/02/2018 19:29

Kin it sounds like a tricky situation every which way really. It feels too that to be carrying on with it there must be a lot of positives for you too given the not so positive aspects. If you're not enjoying it now can you see anything changing?

ignoringthechoc · 20/02/2018 19:39

Pog Objectively looking at your situation I would carry on with FWB, its fun, its escape from childcare, you don't want a relationship just yet.....but I know it's not straightforward and if you think it might hurt too much eventually then it's maybe time to use your head.
Tricky eh? Good luck whichever way you go.

Inexperiencedchick · 20/02/2018 20:01

What is your usual breaking point for walking away?

Would be nice to hear what made you walk away...

Not trying to create a new thread on here, just asking.

BeenThereDating · 20/02/2018 20:26

Kin I'm going to go against the understanding majority and say you're being taken for a huge ride one way or another. No one with a wild and crazy sex drive would behave like this and no decent person would go abroad without a penny.

So my question to you is (no answer necessary) do you actually want to spend the next few months or years rescuing someone at this point in your life? It's a bloody thankless task.

I think you've fallen in love with the chase and the mystery. She's certainly not fallen for you. When she kisses you does she pull your mouth and body towards hers with passion and hunger? I bet she's making you wait for a half decent kiss too.

You will spend the rest of your time with her paying for the sins of those who've gone before you. It's your choice but I'd bail if I were you. IF (and it's a big IF) she really likes you as you hope she'll come running when you disengage. Force her hand and then you'll know otherwise accept your lot because you know what you're getting I'm afraid.

Bant · 20/02/2018 21:17

kin

I'm a rescuer by nature. I want to be able to meet someone who's great but can do with a bit of support and help, that I can listen to and provide a shoulder to cry on, advice, whatever. I want to be able to buy nice things so I can make them happy, to treat them a bit without feeling like I'm buying their affections. But I want them to be able to do the same thing back to me, even if it's not in grand gestures, but the little things. And I've got involved with women who are interesting, funny, clever, enthralling and beautiful, but needed support from me because of bad stuff they've been through in the past. So I understand where you're coming from.

My massive problem with Miss intellectual is - she didn't take any money to Italy. She didn't plan to even buy you a coffee. She expected to have an all expenses holiday to a beautiful place where she didn't even have to buy her own bottle of Evian.

That, to me, is the ultimate piss take. To my mind she appears to be dangling long term potential affection in front of you and making excuses for why she won't get more involved with you so you can keep treating her.

The general rule on here, by the way, is that anyone who talks about how all their exes were crazy or abusive, generally is best avoided.

I think you need to gently and diplomatically disentangle yourself. People can say stuff to charm you but if they don't follow through with actions (if not physical intimacy then at least wanting to buy you a coffee or make you a home cooked meal) then step away before you find yourself having bought them a car and paid for their sick grandmothers new hip.

RunsforCake14 · 20/02/2018 21:19

Kin I think you need to ask yourself why you are staying in this relationship? What you want and what you need?
Are you staying because you are scared of being alone again? It's easy to overlook some of the negative sides of a relationship because the thought of having to start again with someone else is worse.

She's found someone who cares for her and will pay for everything. What are you getting in return?

OP posts:
FreshFigs · 20/02/2018 21:39

Ooooooh hello

I started my own thread - but will have a read here too.

Just joined Bumble, having failed miserably to get anywhere with several other sites / apps...

Kinunir · 20/02/2018 22:16

Been You're right of course - there is no passion, no fire when we kiss and, yes, I feel I am being made to wait because of what other men have done to her in the past.

Bant Oh so similar to me - I think I can help, I enjoy helping but I do also expect something in return to show that my efforts are appreciated. Not necessarily sex or other kinds of intimacy but some sign she cares.

Runs You know, I'm getting nothing in return.

Bloodyuselessatthinkingofaname · 20/02/2018 22:22

So a Mr rescheduling a 2nd date within 24 hours due to a family commitment ? OK or not ? Then not being available for another for another 4 days or so after that for another ? Is this just someone with a life ? Grin Doesn't seem very keen though , does it really ? I'm breaking rule 3, aren't I ?

ignoringthechoc · 20/02/2018 22:38

Kin No passion, no fire, no way! Question answered right there, she is not the one.
Have a bit of fun, take a bit of time out from trying to find a life partner and reset your energy levels, she has drained you.
Once your head is straight you will radiate a sexy confident air which women will flock to.
(disclaimer : the above may not actually be 100% true in which case there is no recourse to sue me for lying)

ignoringthechoc · 20/02/2018 22:40

Bloody some weird people do seem to prioritise a life over dating, humour him if you think he seems worth it.

flowergirl5 · 20/02/2018 22:41

Bloody what's the family commitment? Something be can't get out of? Is it his children? Four days makes it weekend which I guess isn't too bad.

CoverMeLads · 20/02/2018 23:00

Ignoring good luck with the promotion x (Smile)

Anitt hope the date next week goes well, update us?

Pudding he does know what bj means to the English, right? Grin

Chocolate what the others said. I’ve 3 dates next week and with 2 the conversation has slowed down. Although in fairness not to a total stop. I mean I want to reserve some chat for the date, but I’d want confirmation the day before or the morning of. It’s what I do in business and it’s only polite, I think.

Val £40 a MONTH Shock that’s seriously pricey! I’ve got 6 on Match for £60.

Runs you and Ignoring have made me think how much younger I would realistically shag. And I’ve come up with......46. 3 years. How sad am I?
Mind you I have a persistent crush on Anthony Hopkins who’s got to be looking 80 square in the eye (off to Google). Ha! Bang on.

Spring and Vixen re the blockees: do they not realise? And surely they can’t ever get a date? It’s like: that approach is never going to work: try another 🙄

Kin I wonder, like some others, if she doesn’t need some therapy before she even considers a relationship. I also wonder if she isn’t playing you like a tune. Either way, what’s going on isn’t very healthy for either of you, IMO. But you’re both adults, so I say....God speed on things changing, one way or another.
And no, never lower your standards; I think it’s more keeping the faith/appreciating it could take aaaaages to meet someone that meets them.

Vista welcome! The “norm” is whatever is right for you. We all of us here approach things differently/at different speeds. If it feels off to you, it’s wrong. That’s all. I would say, though, that I think we all concur getting overinvested very quickly doesn’t generally go well.

MissCatt I’d probably block at this point, but will keep reading and see what others think. Either way, he’s rude. Well rid.
Also in answer to “why are you on OLD?” “Er, to double my options/because the internet exists?”

Re. the competition: I don’t really see it that way (and I’m the most competitive person I know. Ask my best mate about how I behave at a pub quiz. It’s not pretty Confused)

Essentially if a guy doesn’t “choose” you, then he’s not enough for you. Because he didn’t choose you. Doesn’t matter why, or whom he chose instead. I really do see it in those simplistic terms.
Also I/you/we often don’t choose someone, because they're not right. It doesn’t make them any less of a person than we are, they’re just.....not right for us. Hopefully, especially if we’ve had pleasant contact with them or met them, we’re polite about how that contact ends.
Yes, it’s a bastard when you’ve met 27 lovely blokes you’re not attracted to and this fucker, (the one that was so promising and sexy and sympatico that you felt the click was like a sonic boom) has gone cold on you with no discernible reason. It’s horrible. But it just wasn’t right. If he comes back in x weeks with some ridiculous (or extremely plausible) excuse IMO it still wasn’t right. Because you deserve space for someone who unwaveringly chooses you to come in. And frustratingly that might take months. Or years.
I guess this is easier to swallow if you expect that until you both say “we are exclusive now: lo! Let us delete these dating apps in tandem!” there is every likelihood they are still making their mind up. And if that’s not soon enough for you and your time frames then you respectfully bid them well and get out, in order to make room for the person that is better in sync with you. This is hard. I know it’s hard: I spent from age 23-47 learning this bloody lesson. And I’m still single, true. But happier than I was being (or thinking I was) in love with someone that didn’t show me they felt the same.

Pog oh that made me howl . Sadly I’d deleted before I saw it. I’ll know better next time Wink

Vet I’m searching for a word to describe that guy, and I’m going to have to travel across the Pond and come back with “douche”. A douche with some serious psychological issues. I mean I don’t “get” ghosting or flaking at the best of times, but to do what he did so close to the date does make me wonder if he wasn’t watching from somewhere to see just how “clever” he was to take you in. Christ, you dodged a whole arsenal of bullets there.
Oh and can I just say IT WAS NOT SOMETHING YOU SAID. Unless “I’ll be there at 1” was a trigger for a full on mental breakdown 🙄 in which case see arsenal comment.

Lost licks end of pencil
crosses “wincyette nightie” off dirty weekend shopping list Wink

I’d theoretically stop talking to others only when the other party and you have agreed to be exclusive and deleted the apps. Note “theoretically”: you might not want to date or talk to others, but until they say they don’t want to then it’s safer to assume they still are.
If this means you instigate a conversation to make you feel comfortable then sobeit. But I’d want to see that app deleted. And if they’re cagey about it then it’s not the right time for them, whatever they might say and you can deal with that accordingly.

Love so if they're after NSA and they live with their parents then where are the MB served? Do they offer to get a hotel? Or is it just expecting to find a partner who will let them (a stranger) into their home? If so, that’s pretty bloody entitled/lazy in my eyes.

Savage welcome also and I hope Bumble works well for you. Not that I’m bitter. In any way Hmm

Buy and Fresh welcome too Smile

Bloody nope it doesn’t seem keen. And you might want to stare hard at rule 3 for a bit, maybe Wink You could cut him some slack, only you know if it feels ok or off to you.

I’ve no more news. Things v much quieter, possibly as my meat is no longer “fresh” on Match. But looking forward to next week 👍🏻