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I am the OW and in love but am I being used.

537 replies

Toomanylipbalms · 04/01/2018 23:17

I have got myself into a situation where I am the OW. He is married, lives up north and we see each other when he comes to Ldn for work about once a week. He says his marriage is more like two flatmates than husband and wife and that they are in separate bedrooms and not having sex. He has two kids under 12. He’s recently got a new job where he will be in London for a few months but then the contract is home based so not sure what will happen. He says it will make it easier to start the separation and not be so bad for the kids. Im not sure if he will actually do it, he says he is scared of losing me and scared I will lose patience with him. Is he having his cake and eating it? My sister is the only person who knows about him and she says he is as it’s unlikely he will be able to afford to get divorced and live down south since his kids are still young, surely he must know that?

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SchnitzelVonKrumm · 06/01/2018 10:41

OP would hardly be the first person to NC/reverse/"ask for a friend" on here, especially regarding this situation.

MiddleClassProblem · 06/01/2018 10:43

That’s why I said I understand the reverse but OP has been outed an should either have this thread deleted or name change again. I do think it’s odd though on this themread she hasn’t seemed to empathise with the wife at all when on the other thread she did. I mean if she had shown some kind of remorse a couple of the comments may not have been so bad, althoyghgrabted there would have been many that would have been the same.

It also means, if true, this affair is probably at least 6 months old rather than just a few months.

nevereverafter · 06/01/2018 10:48

That’s why I said I understand the reverse but OP has been outed an should either have this thread deleted or name change again

I don't see it makes any odds. I can see why she would do it. It's also clear she knows it's morally wrong. Anyway it's up the MNHQ what they do.

skippykips · 06/01/2018 11:00

I am very confused. Can someone explain what is what please. What is the truth?

LineysRunes · 06/01/2018 11:06

we can't handle the truth

ImpeachTheOrangeGibbon · 06/01/2018 11:12

This is a bit weird now. I get the name change / asking for a friend regarding the affair but the expense fiddling thread? It's as though she were toying with the idea of reporting her bf (who she is 'in love' with) to his company. For what? Revenge for not leaving the wife for her?!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/01/2018 11:19

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Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 06/01/2018 11:19

I think maybe she was trying to figure out if it’s the kind of thing he could get in trouble for? But by being super subtle, like her “friend of mine” thread.

LaGattaNera · 06/01/2018 11:24

He is using you or your friend, whoever it is.

Also don't do that to another woman, if a marriage breaks up of its own accord that is one thing but how would you feel if you were on your own with 2 kids whilst your DH shagged away? Horrible.

Where is your self-esteem? Aren't you worth having a man exclusively to yourself?

dreamies · 06/01/2018 11:40

Lol at 'can't belive some people's lack of morals' and 'the lies make me feel sick' on the other threads. Funny that expenses were mentioned on this thread too.
She won't leave him, it's already been going on months even though she knows it's wrong.
Desperate and pathetic, are all ow the same?

skippykips · 06/01/2018 11:44

So, is Op thinking about reporting her BF for fiddling expenses. A sort of revenge for not choosing her over his wife and kids?
Op of this is true, have some dignity please. Yes, this is his doing for cheating and messing with expenses. But your revenge will get him the sack. Will literally destroy his life, in turn destroying his kids lives! Is that worth it? Do you really want to take food out of children's mouths?
I get you are hurting, and I honestly have been quite harsh towards you in PP. however, now is the time to have a little bit of grace. Walk away, move on and forget him.
You do deserve better, make this a life lesson, only get involved with single men. If you find out a man you are dating is not single, walk away immediately. But please do not report him.
I again am talking from experience. My DP has the ex from hell. She works in my DRs as a receptionist. I found out I was pregnant. (Told dp, but nobody knew)
I went DRs alone to get it confirmed. Within 3 hours DPs ex messaged him telling him I was pregnant.
DP asked her how she knew, she replied she had to sort my papers out. She did not know He knew already and basically wanted to tell him. I could have reported her, I didn't though, because she has a daughter. A daughter my DP was a kind of step dad to. A daughter he loved and cared about. What gain did I have to report her? Satisfaction I got one up on her? No! The guilt of the daughter going without would have eaten me up. I walked away. 5 years on I am happy with that decision! So please, do not report that man

nadinexo · 06/01/2018 11:51

no morals at all 'goodgirl'.
you have no empathy for the wife or kids you really don't care.
just another thing I don't know if there's much point saying this now but you say he had to lie to his wife to take you away on holiday, well if he was seperated then why would he have to lie.
I was separated and living with an exhusband and to be honest he wouldn't have had to lie to me to go away on holiday with someone, he would have just told me he was going away and as we were already seperated I may not havr liked it but it wouldn't have caused me distress, when people are truly seperated they are free to move on, no lies have to be told.

serialtester · 06/01/2018 12:03

I'm so confused

ComeOnGordon · 06/01/2018 12:36

I know the thread has moved on but I am always fascinated that an OW can think that a man is amazing/wonderful/loving when they know that he so easily lies to his wife & is willing to destroy family life for a quick shag. I always think OW must have such low self esteem to go for a man like that. And do they think he won’t lie to them. I’m in the middle of finding out about my husband’s affair and as angry I am at him, I just feel sorry for the pathetic woman who’s waited patiently for him for 2 years to leave me

ImpeachTheOrangeGibbon · 06/01/2018 12:48

I agree Gordon. He really can't be all the that if he is deceptive, cheating and lying to his family and friends.

Do the OW kid themselves that he would be 'different' somehow to them? Naive at best.

ImpeachTheOrangeGibbon · 06/01/2018 12:50

My ex has already cheated on his new partner. She knows all about his history with me but she still took him back and married him. Hmm

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 06/01/2018 12:57

The thing is, ComeOnGordon, most - if not all - people lie. They lie about different things, some minor, some not. Women (and men) don't, from my own experience as an OW, make a beeline for somebody partnered. What the partnered person is thinking, I don't know because I wasn't at the time.

Relationships develop between people all the time and I think it's a truism that when they are perfectly innocent, and the two involved are cognisant of that fact, there's no reason to stop the relationship because it is above board. If it develops, it's often done by miniscule degrees - like the frog in boiling water analogy - and by the time it is something that should be stopped, the pair are too enmeshed and it's too late. Some do stop, but for most, if not all, I would say that there's a fair amount of life assessment going on as they realise that their horizon is wider than they thought it was.

For some couples, having their eyes opened to their relationship being under threat is an opportunity to take stock and pull up the drawbridge, and for others it's an opportunity to end it. And it's the right thing to do.

Just as OW can't know what your husband is like when he's in a temper or leaving his pants on the floor, the partner at home can't now what their husband is like when he's with the OW. I personally believe that part of the danger is that in a long relationship, the lustre is replaced by burnish. That has a value of its own but for some, the need for lustre will prevail.

For OW (and presumably OM), their relationship is one of euphoria quickly followed by the dread and knowledge that they've 'lost control' of their feelings, which they have. It's miserable for all parties really. I've been on both sides. I would never choose to be an OW again and the 'danger points' I know well and they protect me from ever falling into that again.

I don't know if self-esteem is the key thing - or whether it's Daddy-issues - or something else. There are probably as many reasons as there are people.

Reddlion · 06/01/2018 13:07

op you need something to distract yourself, start going out every weekend with your sister or a friend you will meet people, join a gym it WILL make you feel better even though it's a drag to force yourself to go and get a pet, a cat or dog you can walk everyday. change your hair colour or style.
all of this will make you feel new almost been there and you WILL get through it
this is a life lesson and he will get karma he is the wrong one here.

Reddlion · 06/01/2018 13:11

people on here sometimes bring up your past threads or post when trying to devalue your opinion they don't agree with so op making several different threads wanting different opinions doesn't mean she is a troll

MiddleClassProblem · 06/01/2018 13:14

Didn’t call her a troll at any point. Also said this thread could be the real thread. I was the one who posted the links. Either way it’s interesting to get an idea of OPs view. As I said in pp, if she had shown more remorse for the wife here as she did on other thread then she may have had an ever so slightly easier ride.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 06/01/2018 13:23

That's where the mistaken assumption comes in that these threads are ever about - or even should be about - the MM's wife. Why would they be? They're written from the point of view of the OW who isn't thinking of anybody else but she and him.

I don't know why posters would ever see any kind of 'hierarchy' in the relationship either because it's always the same - the Eternal Triangle. If the spouse at home were at the forefront, there would be no triangle, would there?

With respect, I think that those posters who pile on to these threads to lash out (and there have been some) would do better for themselves to give these a wide berth and not engage - for their own sakes.

MiddleClassProblem · 06/01/2018 13:34

It’s difficult because obviously people have a right to post whatever they like and understandably, if you have been cheated on in such a way you may feel particularly tucked off with such a thread. Yet I can totally understand the other side of the coin too. OP has never met this woman, she had no real life handle on who she is. She just a word, a circumstance and one that she has been told is a hardship and separated from the man. No doubt she’s her a few bad stories about the wife too if any. I’m not saying it right but I don’t think the wife is a real entity to the OP in this instance.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 06/01/2018 13:52

I think you're right, Middle, the wife would not have entered into the equation in OP's head - even thought he children did - because of the hopes and dreams that involved them.

I actually don't believe that OP has ended things by text. I think she's been talked into it here and has thought about it but not done it. She's guessing what the right things to say are and saying them. I can't blame her for that. It's like a 'ticket' to post here when you're an OW. Either you talk the talk or you'll be harried off the thread. Ending a normal relationship isn't always a quick process - an extra-marital one never is because you know what you've got in it. The only people who know everything are the affair partners.

Lefty1 · 06/01/2018 13:58

@lyingwitchinthewadrobe well actually there is a sort of heirarchy as the wife and husband made vows together, share a complete life together, usually have children, have been together a number of years. Or perhaps we should just view all of that as merely collateral damage and support this woman who clearly has a faulty moral compass 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄

ImpeachTheOrangeGibbon · 06/01/2018 14:02

I agree that you can never truly put yourself in someone else's shoes unless you have had the same experience. The OW cannot imagine being the wife and finding out her husband is having an affair, then dealing with the fall out of that. It hasn't happened to her. If it ever did, I would imagine she would be aghast at her earlier behaviour.

However, having an affair with someone who is married with children is wrong. You just have a skewed moral compass to think otherwise, regardless of your feelings.

And to those who say you can't help who you fall in love with... there is always a point where you are aware of what is happening and you have a CHOICE. To pursue a relationship with someone you have no right to (men and women) or walk away. I just don't buy the 'we couldn't help ourselves' cliche. We are animals with a conscience and with self control - there is always a choice. The only exception would be if someone was lied to by the attached partner, who genuinely believed they were single and fell in love with who they believed was a free agent.

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