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WWYD - my daughter wants to live with me all the time - exDH wants 50/50

205 replies

Tigerbear · 19/12/2017 10:55

My daughter is 6, and her dad and I separated when she was one. We agreed then - and thought it was the best way - to have shared custody, where she's with me half the week, him half the week.
This has worked relatively well until recently. For the past 2-3 months, she's been extremely upset at the prospect of going back to her dad's, to the point of being distraught. She's said on many occasions that she no longer wants to continue living in two houses and that it's upsetting for her. When asked what she would like to happen, she first says that she wants us all to live together, and when I explain that that's not going to happen, she says she just wants to live with me and that she'd just visit daddy.

Several key things have happened to change the dynamic since exDH and I split: he met someone else, she has a daughter the same age as my DD (they're in the same class at school too), he moved in with her, and they then had a baby who is a year old. Her DD is quite a strong character, and although my DD loves her and they call each other sisters, I know my DD sometimes feels anxious by the other girl.
DD has also expressed jealousy of the new baby.

When asked why she wants to stay with me more, she says because there are 5 people at daddy's house, and only two of us at mine. She is quite sensitive, likes her own space and a certain calmness, and she obviously doesn't get that at her dad's (all three of the children share a room there, in a small flat), and she doesn't get any one to one time with her dad.

ExDH doesn't see that there's an issue - he says she's fine when she's actually at their house, and that it's more the anxiety/the prospect of missing me that's the issue, and that we just need to find a way of managing DD's anxiety and sympathising that it's hard living between two houses.
He brings up petty things like saying of course she prefers being at mine as you give her sweets and chocolate and let her watch more TV, which we don't do at ours (he made a big point of bringing this up during a meeting we had with teachers recently, trying to make himself look like the better parent).

DD was distraught the other day, begging me to ask exDH if she could live at mine. What do I do, when he sees no problem? He's saying she doesn't really understand what she wants at such a young age - his analogy: well, she says she wants to eat loads of biscuits, but we don't let her just go ahead with it, we can't change everything just because she wants to, it's disruptive for everyone.

The thing about exDH is that he's subtly controlling, smug, arrogant, pretty much despised at his work because of this (I found out from a friend who worked with him that a young trainee had left because of him gas lighting her). He has a way of making people feel like they're in the wrong, and I don't know how to fight it.
His solution is that we need to take DD to see a child psychologist to find out what's wrong.
All I see is my little DD totally crushed these days - she's always been such a joyful and happy child, and the light has gone from her eyes, she's fretful, always says she feels ill, doesn't want to do anything.

Sorry for the long post. Any suggestions much appreciated.

OP posts:
Left · 28/12/2017 18:12

If this started four months ago could it have coincided with the baby moving into the same bedroom as your dd and her stepsister? Just wondered if that could be the case as that could be really unsettling.

ToadsforJustice · 28/12/2017 18:13

If he truly cared for your DD, he would make an effort to come and see her. His refusal to do this seems to me to show that the situation is more about him getting his own way and not having the best interests of your DD in mind.

cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 18:15

Small flats are normal in London
You can't buy 1m £ hpuse on 120 k unless you have massive deposit.

Kids are resilient usually and can cope with small space etc
Let psychologist delve
Is it true anxiety ?
Protecting mum?
Something else ?

PhuntSox · 28/12/2017 18:29

You need to build evidence that it is in her best interests to visit not live 50% there so that when it goes to court they will give you more days than him. Start with psychologists and counselors and your GP for the anxiety.

MotherCupboard · 28/12/2017 19:00

If it was the other way round of course you wouldn't agree to cutting contact. You'd be trying to work out how to make the 50/50 work. personally i think it sounds like If you were the NRP you would be called a disney parent. No wonder she wants to be with you. She gets one on one attention and trips out all the time. That's not real life but she doesnt know it.

TeachesOfPeaches · 28/12/2017 19:29

50/50 arrangements are never in the best interest of the child. They’re made so the parents feel like it’s ‘fair’ (for them) like cutting a cake in half when actually it’s a small child and living like that is incredibly unsettling. Most dads get every other weekend and one night per week as a standard.

Please speak to a family solicitor and see what they think would happen if you take this to court.

AnneElliott · 28/12/2017 19:34

I agree that 50/50 isn't good for children. I wouldn't want to live between two homes.

You've had some good advice op from posters that have experience of this. I would agree suggesting mediation and seeing a counsellor who can be neutral in this.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 28/12/2017 19:43

My parents split when I was a baby. At the age of 5 I wanted to live with my Dad & Stepmum (my step father was/is horrible). I wasn't listened to.......30 odd years later I'm still upset that nobody listened to me.

hendricksyousay · 28/12/2017 19:57

I would still suggest it if it made my dd life better 🤷‍♀️

trilbydoll · 28/12/2017 20:14

It's tricky because I would much prefer to be in a peaceful flat with mum than sharing a bedroom with a wrecking ball toddler as well, that's totally logical!

Can they do anything with the bedrooms, how about the baby gets one and the 5yo share the other? Might make it a bit more chilled out?

Coyoacan · 28/12/2017 20:55

I agree with you trilbydoll. They probably get woken up during the night as well.

BeesElbows · 28/12/2017 22:56

NC for this, I was brought up 50/50 custody from babyhood. I honestly think it’s an arrangement that’s terrible for kids unless both parents are very amicable and live very close by. Otherwise it’s just about adults scoring points.

I’m so happy your little girl has you- but if your ex is narcy she’ll need you to do all you possibly can to protect her from him. he can’t ever be a good dad basically. He’s not making a serious home for her- she’s kipping down in the other kids room when she is there so they can keep a spare bedroom. What’s that about?

Thank you for taking her so seriously, please take her to counselling via her school or GP, and consider taking her class teacher or the head into your confidence so they know what she is saying and your concerns. You are her rock, she will never forget your support. As PP have said- please also take his money and use it for your daughter. He owes it to her.

I found it awful personally having 50/50 homes, with my (high conflict) parents. i’ve had anxiety, depression and trust issues I blame on that. I am a latent hoarder, I feel because I was always away from my own things, no control over my environment etc. As an adult I always still assume I must behave like a chameleon and fit in quietly and unobtrusively wherever I go. People say I am remote, hard to get to know and stand-offish. I am not. I’m just still trying to find out my own likes and dislikes decades later, having had to suppress and ‘change’ my personality for half a week at a time to please each parent who had different standards and approaches.

It’s been exhausting trying to unpick it all. It is really not like transient separation anxiety after being dropped off at nursery, that is nothing like it.

The silver lining was I was really happy to pick up the extra half and step siblings I gathered along the way. if the two girls are in class together this still gives them a continuity as sisters if your DD (hopefully) spends a lot more time at yours in future. Good luck to you both I wish you the very best. Flowers

Coyoacan · 28/12/2017 23:21

Oh this is sad. So far nobody has related a good experience of this 50/50 situation.

BeesElbows · 28/12/2017 23:41

I think with empathetic, very emotionally mature parents who genuinely put the kids first before their own preferences and aren’t just trying to get their ‘rights’ against the other adult, and who can afford/are willing to live very close by to each other, a successful 50/50 might be possible. I don’t personally know anyone who did this but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

But to me, you can see when 50/50 doesn’t seem to be prioritising the kids when the parent/srefuse to be flexible and responsive about it. What on earth would be wrong with OP’s little girl spending a bit more time with her Mum for however long when she’s upset and feeling crowded out at her dads? He doesn’t want to do that though, which says to me maybe it’s not really about her feelings and wellbeing first and foremost for him.

GladysKnight · 29/12/2017 08:15

If he loved her, he'd let her go....

Babycham1979 · 29/12/2017 10:43

The assumption seems to be that the opposite of 50/50 means the mother getting custody. This is, of course, wrong. I feel sorry for this little girl, but imposing an alternative arrangement WILL lead to years of pain and financial cost.

Please acknowledge this may be the least bad option for all involved, and that rocking the boat may well backfire.

horrayforharoldlloyd · 29/12/2017 11:04

Be aware that 50:50 is now seen as standard. I have court ordered 50:50 with my abusive ex. I strongly recommend trying to agree something with him rather than court - courts dont like to change to status quo and wont take thoughts and wishes of a 6 year old into account. It is a very un child centric system at present.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 29/12/2017 11:29

We had a close to 50:50 arrangement with my DSD (3 nights per week with periods of 4 nights or full time in some holidays and for longer periods when her DM was ill from time to time) DSD still now as an adult says she had the best arrangement under the circumstances. What really worked though was they were fixed days/nights every week, so everyone had a standard routine for childcare, brownies, school drop-offs etc for those days which included half the weekend most weeks, but there was also some flexibility. If there was a weekend away or grandparents visiting for eg then DSD would spend the whole weekend at the appropriate house.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 29/12/2017 11:39

Thinking about it as well though we always (and DSD’s mother did too) would facilitate an extra trip back to her other parent if DSD really needed to see them and it was at all possible. Do you think your DD would be happier if she knew she could see you for a quick visit in the middle of time with her dad if she was really missing you?

tigerbear · 10/01/2018 12:06

Thank you so much for all the constructive comments on here, and sorry for not coming back to the thread before now.
I'm utterly broken by the whole situation and at a loss as to what to do next.
Since I last posted, things have become worse. Apparently, according to exDH, DD was fine when she went back to his for the last week of the holidays.
When she came back to me last Friday, she'd developed a weird nervous tic of twitching her shoulders intermittently every minute or so (this went on until Saturday), crying every day, pleading and begging for me to make a plan with ExDH (the pleading is 30-40 times a day). It never stops. She's begun waking in the night begging me (3 times the other night).
She's asking why no-one can help her, why daddy and I can't change things, why can't she only have one house.

EXDH And I had the first appointment with the pyschologist last week, and DD due to see him next week. DD has asked 'will the man help me to have a happier life?'

ExDH and his partner are accusing me of harassing and bullying them (no idea how!) and of creating the problem of DD being like this by not setting appropriate boundaries (i.e. Keeping her an extra day at Christmas'

They absolutely won't agree to any change at all in the 50/50 agreement - I suggested that DD stay with me temporarily, with visits to them, until she's less anxious, and they said no - they'll take legal action against me if I don't stick to the agreement.

They think that I should just keep telling DD that this is the way it is, she has two families, that she's fine when she gets to their house.
I'm trying to stick to the 'rules' (as they say im giving her false hope that things will change otherwise) but when she's begging me, it's so difficult.

School is aware of the situation and are being very supportive.
I'm totally at breaking point.
ExDH and his partner rowed with me in the street yesterday, with her shouting that I was a vicious little shit, and that I should begin to parent properly and give DD proper boundaries.

OP posts:
Lweji · 10/01/2018 15:36

I'm thinking it might be worth setting up a camera to catch your DD when she's pleading to live with you full time.
And then let the psychologist see it, without your ex being present.

It could eventually be used to make the case to request FT with you.

Lweji · 10/01/2018 15:37

Let's hope she's able to open with the psychologist.

BishBoshBashBop · 10/01/2018 15:41

So far nobody has related a good experience of this 50/50 situation.

I know if quite a few good experiences if 50/50 care.

Luna9 · 10/01/2018 15:50

Listen to your daughter. I wouldn't like to live in 2 houses either. I think It will be better for everyone if she lives with you and see her dad on the weekends or every other weekend. You just need to convince your ex.

Desmondo2016 · 10/01/2018 15:56

50 50 worked for me. It did ultimately stop working but not for any relevant reason.

Don't send her. You're choosing to pacify your ex over her. So what if he kicks off and has a tantrum. How can you even consider sending her if she's as distressed as you say she is.