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WWYD - my daughter wants to live with me all the time - exDH wants 50/50

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Tigerbear · 19/12/2017 10:55

My daughter is 6, and her dad and I separated when she was one. We agreed then - and thought it was the best way - to have shared custody, where she's with me half the week, him half the week.
This has worked relatively well until recently. For the past 2-3 months, she's been extremely upset at the prospect of going back to her dad's, to the point of being distraught. She's said on many occasions that she no longer wants to continue living in two houses and that it's upsetting for her. When asked what she would like to happen, she first says that she wants us all to live together, and when I explain that that's not going to happen, she says she just wants to live with me and that she'd just visit daddy.

Several key things have happened to change the dynamic since exDH and I split: he met someone else, she has a daughter the same age as my DD (they're in the same class at school too), he moved in with her, and they then had a baby who is a year old. Her DD is quite a strong character, and although my DD loves her and they call each other sisters, I know my DD sometimes feels anxious by the other girl.
DD has also expressed jealousy of the new baby.

When asked why she wants to stay with me more, she says because there are 5 people at daddy's house, and only two of us at mine. She is quite sensitive, likes her own space and a certain calmness, and she obviously doesn't get that at her dad's (all three of the children share a room there, in a small flat), and she doesn't get any one to one time with her dad.

ExDH doesn't see that there's an issue - he says she's fine when she's actually at their house, and that it's more the anxiety/the prospect of missing me that's the issue, and that we just need to find a way of managing DD's anxiety and sympathising that it's hard living between two houses.
He brings up petty things like saying of course she prefers being at mine as you give her sweets and chocolate and let her watch more TV, which we don't do at ours (he made a big point of bringing this up during a meeting we had with teachers recently, trying to make himself look like the better parent).

DD was distraught the other day, begging me to ask exDH if she could live at mine. What do I do, when he sees no problem? He's saying she doesn't really understand what she wants at such a young age - his analogy: well, she says she wants to eat loads of biscuits, but we don't let her just go ahead with it, we can't change everything just because she wants to, it's disruptive for everyone.

The thing about exDH is that he's subtly controlling, smug, arrogant, pretty much despised at his work because of this (I found out from a friend who worked with him that a young trainee had left because of him gas lighting her). He has a way of making people feel like they're in the wrong, and I don't know how to fight it.
His solution is that we need to take DD to see a child psychologist to find out what's wrong.
All I see is my little DD totally crushed these days - she's always been such a joyful and happy child, and the light has gone from her eyes, she's fretful, always says she feels ill, doesn't want to do anything.

Sorry for the long post. Any suggestions much appreciated.

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ToadsforJustice · 28/12/2017 00:07

If there is no court order, I don’t see why your DD cannot just stay with you. Your EX cannot force your DD to stay over.

HouseworkIsAPain · 28/12/2017 00:09

Will she not see you for 8 days straight when she goes to her dads now? That seems like a long time if they’re not away on holiday.

Could you suggest breaking it into smaller chunks, 3 days with dad and 4 days with you. What is your normal arrangement?

HouseworkIsAPain · 28/12/2017 00:12

I think she is unsettled by her dad having a new baby. She must feel as if they are a unit and she is different. She may just need more time with you as a security thing, with a plan ofincreasing time at her dads as she gets older.

cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 00:12

Go down psychologist route ....have school said anything?
If she went happily before but is now put out by the changes psychologist can help with dealing with that. There may be something specific maybe which could be addressed easily... which she isn't articulating. If she has her own room with you it isn't so hard to share some of the time ?
Family therapists are good at using play and other tools to draw out what is going on...

VimFuego101 · 28/12/2017 00:14

I admire parents who truly make 50/50 work but I understand why it doesn't work for every child, especially if they have to share a room with other siblings at one parents. Is there any prospect of her getting her own room at her dad's?

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:15

Toads - I'd like to keep her at mine if she doesn't want to go tomorrow, but if there's no clear - joint - plan for longer term, then I don't know what to do beyond that.
If for instance she was to live with me all the time, I'm not sure how I'd cope. I've just set up a new business with a old colleague, we're doing well, but it's a very difficult industry with regular overseas travel and currently I try to do all that, and longer hours, etc when she's not with me. And catching up on all the cleaning, tidying, shopping, admin etc.
All of my family live 5 hours away.
Mum has said she'd visit every week to help, but that brings its own complications. ExDH knows that I'd need childcare/help, so is questioning the point of DD not being with them only to be looked after by others.

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tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:19

Housework - if we keep to current plan, no she won't see me until the 5th. ExDH won't consider other options as she's already been with me much longer over the holidays.
She has told her dad that she's jealous of the new baby, yes.

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SandyY2K · 28/12/2017 00:19

Personally...seeing her do upset....I wouldn't take her there tomorrow.

There's no court order...she can visit and stay over sometimes...your Ex sounds quite controlling.

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:20

VimFuego - no chance of having her own room as they treat both girls the same, and her stepsister wouldn't get her own room as there aren't enough rooms (the stepsister is the same age as DD)

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tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:21

Sandy - I'm a bit scared of what he'd do or say if I just didn't take her.

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HouseworkIsAPain · 28/12/2017 00:25

How far do you live from your ex? Is it easy enough to break up the 8 day stay with dad with DD coming over to yours one night to sleep? These seem like very long chunks of time for a 6 year old to not see their other parent (and I think that works both ways).

Is your ex completely unwilling to change schedules to suit your DD? Have you laid out any alternatives to him that will still ensure he and DD get to see each other frequently?

onlyjustaboutnearly · 28/12/2017 00:26

What do they use the other room for that they have three children rammed in one room? No wonder the poor love doesn't like going there. I really feel for you and her

cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 00:29

It s natural to be jealous of a new baby... but this is her sibling. Is she jealous because the baby lives with dad all the time? Or what ? Psychologist can help find out and maybe offer strategies or tools.
Has her dad planned nice stuff for the week with him?
If it worked fine for 4 or 5 years then you can see why your ex is wondering (or not seeing) what has changed...

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:29

Housework - we only live 5 min away by car, it would be easy to break up the 8 days, but he won't have it.

Onlyjust - they've turned it into a playroom and spare room.

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cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 00:30

What might he do ?

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:33

Cestlavie - they're going to the panto but I'm not sure if anything else planned. DD has said to me that they never do anything fun there (ex obv disagrees, but it may be in comparison to the amount of stuff she does with me - I take her on lots of outings, zoo, theatre etc. One of the reasons she gives for not wanting to leave me is 'because then I realise about all the fun we have together'.

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tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:35

Cestlavie - I don't know, he'll prob accuse me of not co-parenting well, being totally unreasonable etc

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ToadsforJustice · 28/12/2017 00:36

He is your ex, why do you care what he thinks? His opinions are irrelevant.

MelonKnee · 28/12/2017 00:38

OP I know this situation isn't easy for you or DD but personally I think your DD has been very clear on why she's upset. She finds it unsettling to keep going back and forth, she doesn't want to share a room with two other kids (nowhere to be calm and peaceful and as it's SDD's home/room rather than hers, that would likely give rise to a pecking order of sorts) and she also wants some one to one time with her Dad.

The 50/50 arrangement may have worked before, but the circumstances have changed on his end and some re-negotiation is needed here in recognition of that.

She doesn't need need a psychologist because there's nothing 'wrong' with her. Her father's inflexibility and inability, or refusal, to acknowledge what's upsetting her and make some changes accordingly is the sticking point here.

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:45

Melonknee - I agree, that's exactly it. But he thinks she has separation anxiety - which she may well do - but ultimately, she is being very clear and using very articulate language: I don't want to continue this plan / it isn't working for me / it's too difficult for me / I don't see how I can ever be happy with this

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tigerbear · 28/12/2017 00:49

Toads - I'm bothered by what he'll say/do as I can guarantee that if I go down this route, nothing will be the same again. Up until now, we've all managed to sort of get on relatively amicably. If I do this, it'll get to the point where we only speak through solicitors, long expensive battles, I can almost predict it.

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cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 00:53

Clearly it s different with dad...but that s ok too.
Maybe if she realised what you do when she is away ie you working etc and that you can do those things with her because you get time to do the mundane when she isn't there... that you are happy she gets time with her dad...that if she was with you all the time she wouldn't get those outings every day....it s not going to be fun 24/7. It 's going to be dvd while you work or she will be left with a baby sitter.... that you will be leaving her with an au pair or packing her off to grandma. Not bad things per se but she hasn't thought it through...maybe she does think you having fun without her or you are missing her and sitting doing nothing. She maybe doesn't understand your work commitments.

Not saying you need to tell her all that but it would be interesting to tease out how she thinks life would be if she didn't ever sleep over with dad ?

Famy therapists may use tools like
draw your family tree
Draw your best day
Draw mummy draw daddy draw yourself
Etc
It s interesting to see the insights. I can't remember the other stuff dd did but I did learn things and changed some preconceptions. Where I thought dd believed x it turned out to be y.

If you think the anxiety is so high she should not go at all then you can say to ex that you have the psychologist appt. Pending....It must be strange for her seeing step sister in class. And for the stepsister too...

cestlavielife · 28/12/2017 00:59

Op has said dd is distraught not herself unhappy .. It may be the solution is cutting time with dad. Maybe not.
Getting outside input will be helpful and a trained third party to perhaps make suggestions to both parents as to way forward.
And may be useful if it gets to court to show you 've tried to get outside support... unless there is evidence of abuse court will likely support 50 50 so best try get to root of the issues.... and help the dd to build resilience until she is old enough eg 12 to be really listened to...

tigerbear · 28/12/2017 01:01

Cestlavie - if she was with me all the time, it's true that I'd be even more tired, stressed and just worn out than I am now. A lot of my work has to be done after hours, which does encroach on weekends and evening time as it is.

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tigerbear · 28/12/2017 01:03

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions Cestlavie , I appreciate it.

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