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Filmed without my knowledge by DH

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SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 16:05

Ugh, this is really difficult. Have NC obviously.

I have a great marriage, been with my DH a long time. 2 young kids, bought a house recently, we get on brilliantly and have a great sex life now. However, there have been times where we haven't had sex at all for a while - I have an illness that causes a lot of bleeding and pelvic pain, and a few times while I've been waiting for surgery and in constant pain we haven't had any physical relationship at all for months at a time. We love each other very much so this has been difficult but separating has never been a consideration.

I know he uses porn a lot when we are not having sex regularly. TBH I'm not overjoyed about that but it is what it is - I wish he could get by without it but have never criticised or asked him not to, since I knew he needed to take care of things at times when I couldn't, so we just didn't talk about it. I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff.

Last year after my pregnancy we weren't having sex for a while (exhaustion, pumping plus feeling generally gross and hormones all over the place).i was feeling massively insecure about my body and this was made worse knowing he was looking at unrealistically attractive women having sex all the time. I did get upset about it but didn't raise it for a while, until it all came out that I felt massively inadequate and didn't feel I could compete with those women with my gross post-baby body. He tried to reassure me that it wasn't like that, his porn use was purely functional and habit, and he would much rather be having sex with me, or watching videos of me (we made one once, but he deleted it pretty quickly as was really paranoid about it being seen by someone else or getting out somehow which I massively appreciate).

Anyway, during this discussion in an attempt to underline his point, he told me something that I'm really struggling to get past. He told me that, when we went on holiday the previous year (I was about 16 weeks pregnant at the time), he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards. He said he's never done anything like that before or since (in fairness at the time I hadn't been naked in front of him for a good while so he wouldn't have had the chance), and swears it was quickly deleted (I believe this based on how paranoid he has been about other people seeing photos / video taken consensually and therefore how quickly he's deleted them - and often told me later how he's regretted getting rid of them). He said he now feels really awful about it as he knows it was really out of line, but he thought if I knew that then I would understand that I'm not competing with anyone else. I mean, it wasn't even sexual, but clearly it was to him.

We are now back to having an excellent sex life, very frequently other than during my periods which are very painful and heavy and therefore a no go area.

I'm just still concerned that he did it, and while I appreciate him telling me about it I am a bit stunned that he thought this would make me feel better. Since then I've noticed he's been very careful not to have his phone in his hand while I've been getting changed etc, I guess to make it clear he's not doing it again. It does seem like this was a one off mistake which he regrets and wouldn't repeat but I'm worried this is just really naive!

Can this really be a one off borne from desperation? Is it really just a fuck up? Should I be concerned about it or let it go? It's mainly the lack of consent that's bothering me (he has never ever ignored my consent before or since, in any way), along with the mild horror of not ever knowing what was on that video, what I must have looked like etc. I know he would never physically violate my consent during sex - if he wanted to do that he's had plenty of opportunity during times I've been unable which is why I find this so confusing.

He genuinely is a brilliant husband and father and I definitely wouldn't leave him over this, i truly believe he hasn't done it again or before that and that the video is gone. I just can't shake the discomfort at it happening in the first place.

I suspect others opinions will be varied but could never ask any RL friends so here we are. If you had a great marriage and this happened, would you just write it off as a mistake, or something more?

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Pinkpillows · 11/11/2017 20:35

I did give you a hard time previously through this post OP but I think your seeing it for what it was and are aware that you won't stand for this type of behaviour. I hope your DH stays true to his word. Good luck

Pinkpillows · 11/11/2017 20:36

JigglyTuff Roweami is a man I believe and referring to his wife

Elkilil · 11/11/2017 21:07

How awful for you to have to read all these posts like your husband is a criminal. Women are so quick tell another women to leave and yet so quick to insult a man who leaves without knowing 2 sides of a story.
With the filming im sure he didn't realise he was doing anything wrong. Your his wife, who had allowed him to film before and he probably just found you in your natural uncensored self sexy.. sometimes when we know we are being filmed we act accordingly. He obviously misjudged, but now he knows. I see no reason not to trust him now. Should he do it again knowing how you feel or if he'd shown someone that's a different story.
As for the porn, well that's also up to personal judgement and depends on the type of porn. Just because some woman don't like it doesn't mean his doing anything wrong. Hopefully he'll take your feelings into consideration. All up it sounds like you have a great marriage.

Uptheduffy · 11/11/2017 21:48

Elk the husband did something illegal so what's the difference? What do you mean, hopefully he will take her feelings into consideration?
OP I assume you know all about private browsing I'd be surprised if much porn appeared in anyone's search history due to private browsing options.

Sniv · 11/11/2017 22:17

The responses on this thread have really stunned me. To me this is utterly wrong, and I would see it is a huge violation of trust if a partner did this to me.

He could have easily said, "you look gorgeous tonight, may I take a film?" But he didn't because he thought you would say no, and he wanted it anyway. He thought his need for access to your body trumped your decision to set limits on how you share it. There's nothing flattering about that.

Elkilil · 11/11/2017 22:18

Texting while driving.. speeding.. smoking a little bit of pot is also illegal and I know people who have done all of these.. I'm not going to go around calling them a criminal. The law isn't black and white or else court rooms and lawyers wouldn't exist. I think some of you are going a bit over the top trying to make her DP sound like such an awful person, when in reality what he did is only bad based on interpretation. I wouldn't care if my DP filmed me, we are always being a bit silly and filming little clips of each other. If he was then using it to get off on it... good for him, sex or mastubation is nothing to be ashamed off and if it's over your wife then it's definitely not creepy! Creepy is showing other people, which to our knowledge he hasn't done. He didn't even know his wife would be so bothered by it, now he does so hopefully he won't do it again. By hopefully I mean. I hope he doesn't do it again because on the knowledge he now has that would be crossing boundaries.

Elkilil · 11/11/2017 22:22

Sniv.. you know when someone knows they are being filmed or in a photo they are more ridget, less natural. That is the beauty of candid photography, it shows off someone being natural which is often more beautiful. how do you know what his reasons were! OP had allowed herself to be filmed before, It's entirely possible and sounds like it by OP's posts that he didn't realise it was violating her trust.

SoEmbarrassing · 11/11/2017 22:32

We don't really have that kind of relationship though. Yes, he did film us once with my consent, but that had been quite a while before. If he'd done it and then immediately told me he'd done it, I think that would be different. Obviously he didn't do that, probably because he would have known I wouldn't be happy about it. That and the secrecy are why it's an issue I guess.

Still, as I say, I do believe it was a one off and that he really didn't think hard enough about what he was doing or how I would feel about it. He's now in no doubt of how I feel about it, so I really believe it won't happen again. There's no way I'm going to feel flattered by it though, it's not a positive thing to do, at least in the way he did it.

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Sniv · 11/11/2017 22:38

Elkilil, I don't think that getting a better film to wank over is an appropriate justification for not asking.

Elkilil · 11/11/2017 23:21

Did he take that film knowing he would wank over it? Or did he just take it not thinking much into and later wank over it?

Sniv · 12/11/2017 00:06

Right....Ok, if you think that's a logical scenario, Elkilil, there’s really no point in you and I responding specifically to each other as we’re going to get nowhere and not help the OP either.

You think it’s feasible that he innocently filmed her naked without her consent, for no reason at all, not knowing it was wrong or thinking she would mind, and just happened to have a wank over it later. I think that’s frankly laughable (or would be, except the scenario isn’t funny).

I think he filmed her naked without her consent to get his sexual kicks, knowing it was wrong, and didn’t ask because he thought she would say no and he wanted the video anyway. Possibly the secrecy and/or her lack of consent was part of his pleasure. You think that’s a massive leap.

I think you're so wrong, but neither of us can read the OP’s husband’s mind so I cannot be arsed to thrash it out.

OP, I think you are right to be concerned and upset and I hope you are not persuaded by some of the responses on the thread not to trust your gut.

Uptheduffy · 12/11/2017 00:26

From OP: I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff
Yeah he took it with no intention of it being pornographic for him Hmm

NameChangeFamousFolk · 12/11/2017 00:27

OP, in my view, there is literally no part of this scenario that is acceptable at all. In all honesty, my head is spinning slightly from the comments about it being a compliment and flattering.

You sound sensible and very aware of issues around consent and so on, but I would find it very, very hard to trust someone again after breaching an important boundary like this.

I'm not saying it would be a deal breaker for me, but it would be close. It undermines several non-negotiables for me. Don't feel as though you need to 'decide' on your reaction now. It might a while longer yet.

I think you're handling everything really well, by the way.

InkyPinky66 · 12/11/2017 05:32

..id be thinking he told me to gage my reaction for future reference, in the case of cranking things up a notch and heightening the risk of being caught.. he's thrown it out there and you let it go. I agree with previous posts about having a look on his devices and checking for a cam.
But im a paranoid person.. so i could be way off.

Primaryteach87 · 12/11/2017 05:36

This wouldn’t be an issue for me, but he clearly understands it is for you and is respecting that. It’s certainly not LTB territory in my mind.

SoEmbarrassing · 12/11/2017 09:02

I have looked inky - we've moved house twice in the last 18 months too, and I haven't seen anything suspicious anywhere. I totally see where you're coming from but don't think that's the case, and I definitely haven't let it go. When he first told me it was a really tough time with a very sick baby and I didn't really process it but it has been on my mind since and I'm glad we've discussed it. Over the last month or so we've talked a lot about consent issues due to everything in the media, plus I've told him about assaults in my past he wasn't aware of - I genuinely think his mindset is very different now than it was then, and feel confident he would never do it again. I can't know that for sure obviously and it will probably be on my mind for some time yet, but there we are.

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