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Filmed without my knowledge by DH

191 replies

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 16:05

Ugh, this is really difficult. Have NC obviously.

I have a great marriage, been with my DH a long time. 2 young kids, bought a house recently, we get on brilliantly and have a great sex life now. However, there have been times where we haven't had sex at all for a while - I have an illness that causes a lot of bleeding and pelvic pain, and a few times while I've been waiting for surgery and in constant pain we haven't had any physical relationship at all for months at a time. We love each other very much so this has been difficult but separating has never been a consideration.

I know he uses porn a lot when we are not having sex regularly. TBH I'm not overjoyed about that but it is what it is - I wish he could get by without it but have never criticised or asked him not to, since I knew he needed to take care of things at times when I couldn't, so we just didn't talk about it. I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff.

Last year after my pregnancy we weren't having sex for a while (exhaustion, pumping plus feeling generally gross and hormones all over the place).i was feeling massively insecure about my body and this was made worse knowing he was looking at unrealistically attractive women having sex all the time. I did get upset about it but didn't raise it for a while, until it all came out that I felt massively inadequate and didn't feel I could compete with those women with my gross post-baby body. He tried to reassure me that it wasn't like that, his porn use was purely functional and habit, and he would much rather be having sex with me, or watching videos of me (we made one once, but he deleted it pretty quickly as was really paranoid about it being seen by someone else or getting out somehow which I massively appreciate).

Anyway, during this discussion in an attempt to underline his point, he told me something that I'm really struggling to get past. He told me that, when we went on holiday the previous year (I was about 16 weeks pregnant at the time), he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards. He said he's never done anything like that before or since (in fairness at the time I hadn't been naked in front of him for a good while so he wouldn't have had the chance), and swears it was quickly deleted (I believe this based on how paranoid he has been about other people seeing photos / video taken consensually and therefore how quickly he's deleted them - and often told me later how he's regretted getting rid of them). He said he now feels really awful about it as he knows it was really out of line, but he thought if I knew that then I would understand that I'm not competing with anyone else. I mean, it wasn't even sexual, but clearly it was to him.

We are now back to having an excellent sex life, very frequently other than during my periods which are very painful and heavy and therefore a no go area.

I'm just still concerned that he did it, and while I appreciate him telling me about it I am a bit stunned that he thought this would make me feel better. Since then I've noticed he's been very careful not to have his phone in his hand while I've been getting changed etc, I guess to make it clear he's not doing it again. It does seem like this was a one off mistake which he regrets and wouldn't repeat but I'm worried this is just really naive!

Can this really be a one off borne from desperation? Is it really just a fuck up? Should I be concerned about it or let it go? It's mainly the lack of consent that's bothering me (he has never ever ignored my consent before or since, in any way), along with the mild horror of not ever knowing what was on that video, what I must have looked like etc. I know he would never physically violate my consent during sex - if he wanted to do that he's had plenty of opportunity during times I've been unable which is why I find this so confusing.

He genuinely is a brilliant husband and father and I definitely wouldn't leave him over this, i truly believe he hasn't done it again or before that and that the video is gone. I just can't shake the discomfort at it happening in the first place.

I suspect others opinions will be varied but could never ask any RL friends so here we are. If you had a great marriage and this happened, would you just write it off as a mistake, or something more?

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Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 19:00

How do you know he used it to wank? You backed him into a corner saying you didn't feel good enough compared to porn so he gave you a back handed compliment.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:01

oh boohoo..what a diamond, making efforts to show he hasnt his phone on him when youre getting undressed-is anyone really listening properly? you said you know he wouldnt do it again..you KNEW he wouldnt secretly film you intimatly without your consent, right? of course, because that's very very wrong and creepy.
Don't worry about the phone there may be a cam somewhere else.
please don't be quick to dismiss your suspicians.
I would also do an immediate ransack of his computer files, as this is all very red flag. ive had it before, and the f* had partitions his harddrive so iwouldnt see itall. unfortuneatly hadnt made sharing folders private..oops. then the other time i met someone who liked watching randomn seemingly imtimate but unsexual moments like that. a year later he is in jail with what they found.
no forgiveness for this one for me, and certainly no more trust, and certainly id be worried about a man who did this around my children unsupervised, no excuses,
you said youve let the porn go..youve admitted its a area he has a habit with and thats closed off to you.
he IS and HAS kept things from you from his life-that directly affect your feelings. oh just no.
im always confused by how many women make small red flags and encourage others to do the same.

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 19:02

I realise how it sounds that way, but it's really not like that.

I agree, it was a massively disrespectful thing to do and that's why I have such an issue with it and am so confused because he is so completely respectful of me and my consent in every other way:

The porn and consent thing... basically, after being together a while he told me that he wanted to stop using it as he knew the industry was gross but he's been using it since he was a teenager, I don't think he has ever wanked without it, despite me encouraging him to do so. I was concerned by what he was saying that he was watching stuff that I would be really disturbed me, and for me that's consent stuff since I have suffered sexual assault in the past and he categorically said that wasn't the case (he is not a good liar so I do believe this), he just knows that the women are probably having a hideous time and it will reallyaffect them. It's like he developed his porn interests as a really immature young man, and although his morals and principles have moved on, the stuff he's into hasn't. I can understand why that's difficult.

He does have a very high sex drive, always has from being very young. I absolutely do not see it as my responsibility to give him sex or that I'm to blame for his porn habit - I just know that realistically if we aren't able to have sex for a significant amount of time he is going to need to wank, and he's one of those guys for whom the two are inseparable. I have really tried to talk to him about this, and I know he's working on it.

Taking this act out of the equation, he's as far from abusive as I can imagine. That's why I'm struggling with these - it's been over a decade and nothing abusive has ever happened ever.

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mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:04

im sorry for my bluntness but man am i worried for you-anyone who says this isnt red flag is dreaming.
as for illness and less drive, and then body confidence issues-i'm not bloody surprised. its not you love. theres a clue.

SummatFishyEre · 08/11/2017 19:06

anyfucker makes a good point. The thing with porn is that you become desensitized to it, so you look for something else you'd find exciting. Maybe he got bored of his porn so he got his kicks filming you...it wasn't you he was wanking over it was the fact he's filmed you without consent. Next step would have been sharing the video. I wouldn't be so certain that he hasn't put you on some site somewhere

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:10

but you realise thats what this one was, hun, abuse. plain and simple.
as for knowing it would disturb you..well i disagree about bad lying...he did this with a straight face and you metres away. and then continued to have his little secret.
if i had a fab marriage and this happened.
I think i would ask for a seriously immediate time-out. to give you space, to really think this over. sometimes one cant see the woods for the trees. it does seem such a damn shame to ruin all this, but then it was him doing that notyou. being messy, constantly forgetting the kids, those are all relationship issues to work on. but secret filming is way above that. i would find it harder to continue knowing my husband had done this with my future trust issues than i would if he cheated. i know that sounds mad to some but the creepy aspect of this one doesnt let me go. one is wrong and disrespectful and one is doing something against your wishes you dont even have a clue he is doing and its your body. i find it worse-both are terrible but this one would be harder to relax with in the future. x

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:12

both activities raise flags about consent/desire/internet use/privacy.
i would lug that computer to a local shop who can go through the whole thing and get through any barriers. what choice do you have.

Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 19:12

I think your issues are worse than what you think, he knows him using porn upsets you, makes you feel like shit but carries on doing it Any way as a wank is more important than how his wife feels clearly. If you had a good relationship and he wanted to wank over you its simple he would ask if he could take photos of you. Build up your confidence and get his wank same time. None of this Bullshit someone could see it eerr lock your gallery don't lend your phone to people etc

GoldenWorld · 08/11/2017 19:13

Very surprised at some of the responses on here. Flattering, really?

You have every right to be angry. I was once filmed having sex with my ex partner without my knowledge or consent. It was the same old excuses - it was because he fancied me so much, it's normal for men to want to look at their girlfriends in this way, all his friends take photos/videos of their girlfriends without them knowing, he couldn't help himself etc. And the real killer..... It's not like he filmed me in the shower or on the toilet. Ha! To him, that was really creepy.

So it's interesting that you think being filmed having sex is worse. To me, they're on a par. Because it is creepy behaviour. It suggests some premeditated behaviour. How did he manage to do it without you seeing? Was he hiding round a corner, waiting for you to come out? Sorry, I'm not painting a very attractive picture of him but that, coupled with his interest in voyeuristic porn, I'm afraid I'd bet money on him having done this before.

I'm sure in his mind he is flattering you. My ex couldn't understand why I was so upset. He also, as I later found out, had some other nasty habits. Which is why I'm very cautious in regards to this and think they're rarely done in isolation or as a one off. They suggest that, or at least in that moment when he's horny, he doesn't truly see you as a person with the right to say no and full rights over your body. You're an object for him to wank over. I am admittedly a twisted old cynic but that is exactly how I felt.

If anything like that happened again, any filming/photographing without my knowledge I would run like the wind. My ex was also very controlling, which I didn't realise at the time. Extremely jealous and possessive. Your husband may be generally lovely but it does suggest a nasty element to his character, or at the very least, an over reliance on porn in my opinion.

You should be honest with him. Too many men get away with shit like this. He needs to know how angry and upset you are, and exactly why what he did was wrong.

AlternativeTentacle · 08/11/2017 19:14

Id take it as a complement and a huge body image boost

Oh yeah, such a great body boost. What is not to like. Apart from the seediness, lying and the potential for it to be on-line across the world right now.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:16

as for being all feminist saying the women look like theyre having a bad time-ive heard all that before. so its not non-consensual but it would disturb you? hmm. words words words. dosnt mean its anything to do with his actual thoughts. whats worse is you say its in his family.
these things run down families very often. as someone mentioned i wouldnt be so sure it hasnt been uploaded. people with problems will often throw titbits out to make them feel less bad about habits and suspect behaviour. and its often the tip of an iceberg.

MaidenMotherCrone · 08/11/2017 19:18

It'll be online!

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:21

at last a voice here of reason..premeditated..rarely a one=off..put money on he's done it before-yep..i would too ...a lot of money. also on his computer being a beehive of suspect stuff.
women see signs and they dont run. then theyre all over the net.
and good point, he could have asked to film you and take sexy shots-instead the thrill of it for him was doing it without you knowing it!!think about that one.

RatRolyPoly · 08/11/2017 19:23

Holy. Fuck.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:23

to cover him over "lulls" should have been a mutual thing. he DECIDED to do it IN FRONT of you without you having a clue-and clearly finding that the turn on-and THAT is what is so red flag. either that or its money-motivated. dont push your feelings down because your marriage is great-its great with the person you THOUGHT you married. its time to find out who he really is. do it sneakily if you need more convincing. but do it. before you find nasty surprises in years time.

nousername123 · 08/11/2017 19:24

If my partner filmed me coming out of the shower and I knew he was “using” the video to pleasure himself, as long as he showed no one else, it wouldn’t concern me. If he filmed us having sex or performing sex acts and didn’t tell me I would be quite annoyed because I would rather he asked permission first. I don’t think his intentions were bad here, I think he is obviously attracted to you and fantasises about you. I don’t really think he’s done anything wrong to be honest. Obviously it bothers you though. Saying that I don’t have a problem with my partner watching porn either tbh. I don’t really know what advice to give, just giving my opinion. Hopefully you sort it out though x

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 19:26

It definitely won't be online. Trust me. I appreciate how it sounds but you don't know the guy. I've known him for a very long time and he would be horrified if anyone saw his partner naked. In all of this, that's something I absolutely know for sure.

He's never been abusive, controlling, financially abusive (quite the opposite in fact - he's financially supported me since my health declined, giving me half his income even before we had children), emotionally abusive, nothing at all.

He wasn't hiding round a corner or anything like that - he was just sat on the bed with his phone, I assumed he was just looking online.

I've never asked him to stop looking at porn. It's not something I'm thrilled about obviously but i can't expect him to go months on end without masturbating and without sex, and he struggles to separate the two. He is trying.

This really is an isolated incident.

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mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:27

shit like this is why women have confidence issues..and trust issues..etc etc.. then somehow its their personality, rather than being with someone who brings their confidence down without giving a shit about that theyre doing it.then adds some extra consnet/trust crap-knowing that you have a past with fears/issues relating to this whole consent topic. looks like he isnt very bothered by how you feel at all.regardless of what words he says.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:29

a very red flag incident. the very least would be to get his hardrive searched by a professional. you need proof your privacy has not just been violated once.

MrMagnoliasBoot · 08/11/2017 19:31

Anyone filming you naked without your knowledge or consent is wrong it doesn't matter whether you are married to that person or not.

Why is the bar set so low for men? Why is this unacceptable behaviour flattering? Because they just can't help themself's as they are so attracted to the women they are with?

Lack of selfcontrol and basic respect for someone's boundaries is not a compliment or flattering, at least for me anyway.

mustbemad17 · 08/11/2017 19:31

Wouldn't bother me. I know my partner wouldn't dare show it to anyone else, & personally i'd much rather he filmed me than watched some tight assed, tiny waisted actress getting her kicks 🙄 Guess it depends on the relationship. My partner watches porn sometimes, usually when we haven't been intimate in a while cos i feel like crap - we have a very active sex life most of the time so i don't mind him helping himself in that respect. If he told me got off watching videos of me over porn i'd be quite relieved that he doesn't fantasise about smaller women tbh!

JigglyTuff · 08/11/2017 19:33

Christ some of you have self-esteem that's on the floor :(

Crowdo · 08/11/2017 19:39

Wouldn't be arsed, personally.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:39

i agree with jigglytuff. being glad they secretly filmed you because its not a skinny model?crumbs. i find this base bas baseline respect and privacy violation. Can i ask, seeing as you also seem shocked, having known someone for a long time and then finding this out..you think this is an isolated incident and trust you it is, why are you so sure-the man you thought you could trust has proven to you you can't, on a very worrying level with secretly filming you naked. how are you 100% sure it wont happen again..you would never find out if it happened again for one..this time you only knew because he chose totell you. in future he could just not.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 19:44

you must have serious doubts about this issue to go ona messge board for one thing. knowing this is a thing that shouldnt happen. at all. ever.
i think it warrants a very very intense discussion about the secrecy of it. why why why did he choose to film in secret. what on earth can be the excuse in a loving marriage, where asked im sure you wouldnt have just immediatly said no..and he knows you turn a blind eye to the porn, so he already knows you are super/over accomodating to his less that fab foibles.its the secrecy. that is a point i couldnt get past-there simply is no possible reason for that-