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Filmed without my knowledge by DH

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SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 16:05

Ugh, this is really difficult. Have NC obviously.

I have a great marriage, been with my DH a long time. 2 young kids, bought a house recently, we get on brilliantly and have a great sex life now. However, there have been times where we haven't had sex at all for a while - I have an illness that causes a lot of bleeding and pelvic pain, and a few times while I've been waiting for surgery and in constant pain we haven't had any physical relationship at all for months at a time. We love each other very much so this has been difficult but separating has never been a consideration.

I know he uses porn a lot when we are not having sex regularly. TBH I'm not overjoyed about that but it is what it is - I wish he could get by without it but have never criticised or asked him not to, since I knew he needed to take care of things at times when I couldn't, so we just didn't talk about it. I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff.

Last year after my pregnancy we weren't having sex for a while (exhaustion, pumping plus feeling generally gross and hormones all over the place).i was feeling massively insecure about my body and this was made worse knowing he was looking at unrealistically attractive women having sex all the time. I did get upset about it but didn't raise it for a while, until it all came out that I felt massively inadequate and didn't feel I could compete with those women with my gross post-baby body. He tried to reassure me that it wasn't like that, his porn use was purely functional and habit, and he would much rather be having sex with me, or watching videos of me (we made one once, but he deleted it pretty quickly as was really paranoid about it being seen by someone else or getting out somehow which I massively appreciate).

Anyway, during this discussion in an attempt to underline his point, he told me something that I'm really struggling to get past. He told me that, when we went on holiday the previous year (I was about 16 weeks pregnant at the time), he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards. He said he's never done anything like that before or since (in fairness at the time I hadn't been naked in front of him for a good while so he wouldn't have had the chance), and swears it was quickly deleted (I believe this based on how paranoid he has been about other people seeing photos / video taken consensually and therefore how quickly he's deleted them - and often told me later how he's regretted getting rid of them). He said he now feels really awful about it as he knows it was really out of line, but he thought if I knew that then I would understand that I'm not competing with anyone else. I mean, it wasn't even sexual, but clearly it was to him.

We are now back to having an excellent sex life, very frequently other than during my periods which are very painful and heavy and therefore a no go area.

I'm just still concerned that he did it, and while I appreciate him telling me about it I am a bit stunned that he thought this would make me feel better. Since then I've noticed he's been very careful not to have his phone in his hand while I've been getting changed etc, I guess to make it clear he's not doing it again. It does seem like this was a one off mistake which he regrets and wouldn't repeat but I'm worried this is just really naive!

Can this really be a one off borne from desperation? Is it really just a fuck up? Should I be concerned about it or let it go? It's mainly the lack of consent that's bothering me (he has never ever ignored my consent before or since, in any way), along with the mild horror of not ever knowing what was on that video, what I must have looked like etc. I know he would never physically violate my consent during sex - if he wanted to do that he's had plenty of opportunity during times I've been unable which is why I find this so confusing.

He genuinely is a brilliant husband and father and I definitely wouldn't leave him over this, i truly believe he hasn't done it again or before that and that the video is gone. I just can't shake the discomfort at it happening in the first place.

I suspect others opinions will be varied but could never ask any RL friends so here we are. If you had a great marriage and this happened, would you just write it off as a mistake, or something more?

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2017 22:04

"We" are going to work on his porn use ?

He's good, I'll give him that

JigglyTuff · 08/11/2017 22:06

Eh? In your OP, you said "he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards."

But now he's saying that he deleted it the following morning? Confused

And "I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff."

But: "I asked him outright if he was seeking out porn like this. He said absolutely not."

How the story has changed in the space of a few hours

Growingboys · 08/11/2017 22:06

I wouldn’t mind this at all! I really wouldn’t.

AlternativeTentacle · 08/11/2017 22:07

His paranoia about naked images of you - fucking brilliant. Genius actually.

Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 22:11

Creepy he wanted in same hotel room that you were in over a video of you I mean who the fuck does that

Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 22:11

Wanked not wanted *

Marinade · 08/11/2017 22:14

Actions speak louder than words, and a very good indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. You know deep down that this is predatory and creepy behaviour. You have obviously decided that his explanations as to why he thought he could violate your bodily autonomy and privacy by filming you naked without your knowledge and consent are sufficient. I wish you luck in your future with this man.

SummatFishyEre · 08/11/2017 22:17

He didn't want to look at you. He got off on the fact he filmed you secretly and that you wouldn't have liked it if you'd known.

Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 22:17

OP I think deep down you are flattered by this you see it as validation that he finds you more attractive than pornstars, he'll keep humming that tune to you because it works you'll make excuses for him. See you back on here in 6 months when he's destroyed your confidence even more so than now because you find out its all been lies.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 08/11/2017 22:24

Why is he still using porn when it was just supposed to be for the times you were having sex?

What kind of porn is it? When does he watch it?

Christinayangstwistedsista · 08/11/2017 22:24

Weren't

chocolateisnecessary · 08/11/2017 22:24

I wouldn’t take it as a compliment - it’s a violation of trust and I’d be beyond furious and be struggling to get past it.
And if he wanted forgiveness, he’d have to prove it by quitting the porn.
And tbh I think it’s really creepy and belittling and demeaning.
I’m not surprised it’s been bugging you. What the hell was he thinking??

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:31

sorry but that post was even worse-that is such utter bs it's unbelievable anyone would believe what he said to you there..what a total terrible liar he is-you were right on that one.you will look back on this and wake up.
you said it yourself.
I appreciate this may sound like I've been completely taken in
i was shaking my head reading that rubbish he span you.
i cant even start with how that whole spiel is clearly bs.
didnt happen to plan it just though he'd sneakily film..but also having no clue getting permission was correct-omfg. so he filmed without you knowing it but didnt make it obvious because he didnt think hed need permission?err how hard is it to film someone sneakily-? err yeah sorry that takes effort. videoing in secret means he know full f-ing well he needed your permission.
wake up.
he is so clearly backtracking-as for history..that means nothing. bad history can simply be deleted. as he does it.
im in absolute astonishment you bought this terrible terrible attempt at placating you -mortified indeed. what kind of moron doesnt know filming you naked in secret would be upsetting to someone.it hurts me to think you actually have to explain normal human behaviour to this person.i also think he is pointing out way too much of how embarrassed hed be showing others-
if someone said that rubbish to me id have my eyebrows right up and at the end id laugh and omfg, you actually think id eat that right up, you clearly think i was born yesterday!
sorry but that reaction and what he said shows it all. it really does.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:34

woah. making his porn use about you both-this guy has a problem lady.
AlternativeTentacle Wed 08-Nov-17 22:07:42

His paranoia about naked images of you - fucking brilliant. Genius actually.

i know!!it was the finishing touch on a oscar winning speech!! he keeps saying it too..oh how sweet and believable that is!

this man is a walking contradiction

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:35

and yes, see you on here when youve uncovered the truth. and hope were all about and RL friends to pick up the damn pieces.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:40

there is no way on god's earth id allow someone who did this to be around the kids unsupervised. ever.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:48

he was so convinced he didnt need your permission he waited a year to even tell you. smell the coffee.

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 22:50

what other things "he has no idea he needs permission for" has he done, just to claim, if you foundout, that he didnt think he needed permision?the mind boggles to think of what he has done in the past..thinking nothing wrong with it. yet thinking its so fine and innocent and cool that he just doesnt tell you he is filming. or tell you at all.

MaidenMotherCrone · 08/11/2017 22:57

IT. WILL. BE. ONLINE.

Scarftown · 08/11/2017 22:57

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mopdoop · 08/11/2017 23:00

that post has totally removed my benefit of the doubt.
i now think he is a real piece of work spinning that story to you
and yes a bad liar
not an honest person at all.

Scarftown · 08/11/2017 23:05

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LondonNicki · 08/11/2017 23:07

I haven't read the whole thread but from what I have read it was a one-off, he did it for his pleasure and because he enjoyed seeing you.... I'd let it go and not overthink it as long as everything else is ok with you.

PickAChew · 08/11/2017 23:12

If you aren't comfortable with the fact that he secretly filmed you, you aren't comfortable with it. It matters not a jot that several people would take it as a complement.

I'd be bloody livid and lose a lot of trust.

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 23:13

See? There's literally no way I can convince some people that he's genuine.

I'm sure this is a really long con - he spent 9 years with me so he could film me naked for a few minutes one time and delete it. Brilliant.

I knew him for several years before we were together. I remember a conversation within our friendship group in the pub talking about people sharing naked photos that they're sent and how that was never a thing when we were young - I distinctly remember him saying that he couldn't think of anything worse than other people seeing his gf (at the time) naked. This massively pre-dated our relationship, but I guess that wasn't part of the long con too?

I know men do things all the time that are fucking horrendous that they don't think twice about. I've been sexually assaulted by multiple sexual partners and without exception they continued to contact me afterwards, one declaring their love for me and trying to convince me I should marry him. They definitely didn't think too hard about what they had done. I highly doubt it was premeditated. It doesn't surprise me in the least that a guy could do something like this and not think too hard about it.

And if he was so aware of what a terrible thing it was he had done, why would he deliberately tell me when there was no chance of me ever finding out, and in the context of it being a compliment? It makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm just wondering what some of the people here think his game is? Over 10 years together, never done anything abusive, been completely loving, committed, faithful, two kids, marriage, a house, never disrespected me other than this one occasion, which he told me about in the most casual manner when I had no way of knowing about it otherwise?

Seriously, maybe I'm massively naive here because I genuinely can't see what the endgame is.

Oh and he didn't say we should work on his porn habit - he said he needs to stop, I said we because after using it regularly since he was in his mid teens that will probably be difficult.

As I said in my first post, all he told me the first time it wasn't discussed was that he had used the video and he had deleted it shortly afterwards, as I stated originally. I didn't know the timeframe. Knowing him, deleting it the next day made sense. Years ago he filmed us (with consent) - that was stored on our computer and he deleted it within 48 hours as he was so worried about cloud hacking / device sharing or similar. Once when he was working away we sent each other photos and he spent the next week panicking about whether they were deleted from all our linked devices. I totally believe this is a concern for him.

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