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Filmed without my knowledge by DH

191 replies

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 16:05

Ugh, this is really difficult. Have NC obviously.

I have a great marriage, been with my DH a long time. 2 young kids, bought a house recently, we get on brilliantly and have a great sex life now. However, there have been times where we haven't had sex at all for a while - I have an illness that causes a lot of bleeding and pelvic pain, and a few times while I've been waiting for surgery and in constant pain we haven't had any physical relationship at all for months at a time. We love each other very much so this has been difficult but separating has never been a consideration.

I know he uses porn a lot when we are not having sex regularly. TBH I'm not overjoyed about that but it is what it is - I wish he could get by without it but have never criticised or asked him not to, since I knew he needed to take care of things at times when I couldn't, so we just didn't talk about it. I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff.

Last year after my pregnancy we weren't having sex for a while (exhaustion, pumping plus feeling generally gross and hormones all over the place).i was feeling massively insecure about my body and this was made worse knowing he was looking at unrealistically attractive women having sex all the time. I did get upset about it but didn't raise it for a while, until it all came out that I felt massively inadequate and didn't feel I could compete with those women with my gross post-baby body. He tried to reassure me that it wasn't like that, his porn use was purely functional and habit, and he would much rather be having sex with me, or watching videos of me (we made one once, but he deleted it pretty quickly as was really paranoid about it being seen by someone else or getting out somehow which I massively appreciate).

Anyway, during this discussion in an attempt to underline his point, he told me something that I'm really struggling to get past. He told me that, when we went on holiday the previous year (I was about 16 weeks pregnant at the time), he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards. He said he's never done anything like that before or since (in fairness at the time I hadn't been naked in front of him for a good while so he wouldn't have had the chance), and swears it was quickly deleted (I believe this based on how paranoid he has been about other people seeing photos / video taken consensually and therefore how quickly he's deleted them - and often told me later how he's regretted getting rid of them). He said he now feels really awful about it as he knows it was really out of line, but he thought if I knew that then I would understand that I'm not competing with anyone else. I mean, it wasn't even sexual, but clearly it was to him.

We are now back to having an excellent sex life, very frequently other than during my periods which are very painful and heavy and therefore a no go area.

I'm just still concerned that he did it, and while I appreciate him telling me about it I am a bit stunned that he thought this would make me feel better. Since then I've noticed he's been very careful not to have his phone in his hand while I've been getting changed etc, I guess to make it clear he's not doing it again. It does seem like this was a one off mistake which he regrets and wouldn't repeat but I'm worried this is just really naive!

Can this really be a one off borne from desperation? Is it really just a fuck up? Should I be concerned about it or let it go? It's mainly the lack of consent that's bothering me (he has never ever ignored my consent before or since, in any way), along with the mild horror of not ever knowing what was on that video, what I must have looked like etc. I know he would never physically violate my consent during sex - if he wanted to do that he's had plenty of opportunity during times I've been unable which is why I find this so confusing.

He genuinely is a brilliant husband and father and I definitely wouldn't leave him over this, i truly believe he hasn't done it again or before that and that the video is gone. I just can't shake the discomfort at it happening in the first place.

I suspect others opinions will be varied but could never ask any RL friends so here we are. If you had a great marriage and this happened, would you just write it off as a mistake, or something more?

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SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 23:16

BTW, I do not find this flattering at all, as repeatedly stated. However, he does not knock my confidence by any means. As I said, we have an awesome marriage in general, he has always made me feel very attractive when I otherwise don't.

I get the assumptions being made here that this is just one issue in a whole host of issues and I'm either unaware of the rest or not telling but that's really not the case.

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SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 23:18

Christina - he does still only use it when we aren't having sex. This can be for a couple of weeks at a time, depending on my health situation, and at times has been far longer.

Having now seen his search history, it's all stuff I would expect based on his sexual preferences which he's always been upfront about - there was nothing there I found particularly worrying (just grim mainly, but I find all porn grim)

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MISSINDE · 08/11/2017 23:24

I cannot stand men like this. It's as if they have a way of drumming it into their partners minds that men need to wank over porn. He does not respect you one bit and has the cheek to say he couldnt stand anyone else seeing his partner naked. Pfft!

mopdoop · 08/11/2017 23:30

I certainly did not. But this is shocking and its worrying. Are we not allowed to be worried for someone? Ladies do need to stick together. Lord knows I've realised things through friends warning me when I didn't see it. Any beating up is aimed not at the op. She's done nothing wrong here. And I genuinely hope I'm wrong. X

buckingfrolicks · 08/11/2017 23:35

Perfectly ok. He’s told you about it. No problem

LoveDeathPrizes · 08/11/2017 23:37

I don't want to offend but it's really unlikely this is 'flattering'. I highly doubt the thrill of this material was in the aesthetic of your body - otherwise, he could have happily made a playful home video with a bit of nudity.

I would absolutely infer that the voyeurism aspect is the turn on here - perhaps much of the porn he uses is consensual, but there's a huge amount of it that certainly isn't intended to look consensual.

I'd be really affected by this.

SoEmbarrassing · 09/11/2017 01:13

I totally agree that many men have a ridiculous entitlement when it comes to porn, my DH included. I think it's fucking ridiculous that some men can't separate wanking and porn, and he is included in that. He has a problem with it, which I have always known. It wasn't such an issue when my health was good and we were having regular sex, but during long spells of no sex it has become a real problem for him. He knows it's a problem and like I said, as he's gotten older and become more aware of the issues around it he struggles more with the morality of using it. We have been in a really good place for a while and he hasn't used it in the last few weeks and hopefully that can continue. I don't think it will be easy to quit, just as I can't manage to give up bloody smoking, so I intend to be as supportive as I can. I hate the stuff but i know it's complicated.

I'm very tech savvy, having worked in the field, if he was pulling shenanigans with the computer I'd be aware of it.

I really do know how all this sounds. I do, hence my concern in the first place. It's definitely going to take a lot of time and transparency for me to completely get past it. He's definitely not responsible for my confidence issues, they're pre-date him by a good decade and if anything he's helped me massively in that area. Again, I know how it sounds.

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Cricrichan · 09/11/2017 02:37

Only read the first page and the last page.

The biggest problem I'd find with this is that I find been secretly filmed really hard to swallow. An invasion of privacy in what should be your safe haven. I'm not sure I'd be able to 100% trust that there were no nanny cams etc in the future and what else he'd do to satisfy his sexual need.

Cricrichan · 09/11/2017 02:38

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Crowdo · 09/11/2017 06:10

OP, you're always going to get doom mongers on Relationships. You don't need anyone's consent or approval to have your own opinion on this.

SummatFishyEre · 09/11/2017 06:39

The best way for him to stop using porn is to go cold turkey even if that means he has to stop wanking so much. And I'm not sure what your post about "the long game" was all about...nobody suggested anything of the sort. I used to watch porn and I know that you become dulled to it and start looking for harder stuff to get off on. That's what your husband is probably doing but he involved you. He wasn't wanking over your body he was wanking because it's voyeurism and that's what he likes.

Pinkpillows · 09/11/2017 07:22

So first post but you name changed Confused

You believe he's so great and wanking over you day and night, just let him take a short video of you for that save the porn.

Also if you worked in that field who the fuck stores home made videos on the cloud? this thread is farcical so many inconsistencies in this

Roweami · 09/11/2017 08:02

OP - bet you are glad you came on here (not).

SoEmbarrassing · 09/11/2017 08:13

Pinkpillows, what an odd comment. Where did I say it was my first post? It isn't or, as you say, I wouldn't need to NC would I? It's my first post under this name, which is sort of the point, no?

I don't believe that, obviously. And I don't want to do that, which is why I haven't.

The video wasn't "stored on the cloud". He did have file sharing between devices set up though, as most users of multiple Apple products do. There was really very little chance that the file could have ever been accessed by anyone other than the two of us, hence "paranoid".

Yeah, maybe posting this here wasn't my finest idea.

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nightshade · 09/11/2017 08:21

Lol..don't worry about it pink pillows. ..if u have a good solid relationship and are happy then get on and enjoy it..

I would like to see one solid long term marriage where there hasn't been an abuse of trust at one point...

It's been identified and discussed ...

Working through issues can be a positive thing..

Whats the alternative?..pack your bags and leave? It doesn't sound like that is something u want?

AlternativeTentacle · 09/11/2017 08:24

Apart from anything else, you dont even get the issue of him watching porn aka other people's girlfriends naked and more - yet not wanting his precious girlfriend to be seen naked by other men? That is such a weird angle to see porn/girlfiends from...and then years later turns out, he is more than happy to film you without permission. Which vastly increases the chances of another man seeing his girlfriend now wife naked. What were the chances?

You posted here because you knew it was wrong...and yet you have people on here saying la la la it is fine it is actually quite flattering. Yeah right, if you say so.

mustbemad17 · 09/11/2017 08:26

Lots of men who watch porn don't like the idea of other blokes seeing their OH's naked. Not sure where that becomes a big issue??? Clearly missing something over that one

AlternativeTentacle · 09/11/2017 08:38

Lots of men who watch porn don't like the idea of other blokes seeing their OH's naked. Not sure where that becomes a big issue? clearly missing something

Clearly you are yes. Watching other people's girlfriends or wives get abused and raped, naked, and thoroughly enjoying it enough to ejaculate over it; and yet getting upset if someone else sees their partners naked is double standards at best.

stormnigel · 09/11/2017 08:39

This wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. In fact I think I might even be a bit flattered.
If he had shared it/had filmed you actually having sex without your knowledge then yes-of course-upsetting. But this just seems...innocuous to me.

SoEmbarrassing · 09/11/2017 08:49

Believe me, I do get the issue. There's an awful lot caught up in his use of porn and how that affects his outlook etc, and I have been saying this to him for a long time. He's aware of it too, to an extent.

Things have been difficult for us, lots of difficult things to deal with (in terms of stuff happening in our lives, not related to this) and I haven't pushed the porn issue in the past, probably because I knew how difficult it would be for him to quit it completely so it felt pointless to make a big issue of it when our sex life was so on and off for those other reasons.

I've been thinking about this a lot last night and this morning and obviously I don't fully buy his explanation for why / how it happened because it doesn't fully make sense to me. I suspect the truth is a little less "flattering" (in his opinion, not mine) and was probably more to do with a lack of mobile data than anything else. But obviously he knows that I would find that offensive so he's saying other things - although in fairness if he told me that was the reason I wouldn't have concerns about it happening again (not that I believe it will anyway, but can't ever be 100% sure of that, clearly).

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mustbemad17 · 09/11/2017 09:23

AlternativeTentacle clearly you're talking about the darker side of porn. If you visit a free porn site there is hardly anything on there about rape!! Lots of sub/dom role play....i'm into that, as a sub. Willingly. Does that mean my partner is abusing me? Does it frig.

By the token of men who watch porn but don't like their women being seen naked...so any woman who goes & sees The Chippendales for example then has to be okay with other women seeing their partners naked? Get real.

If OP was talking about the darker side of porn then fine, but she has clearly said that the things she knows he watches are not. And yes porn is grim. That's porn. But I think some people get all prudish about it & snobby tbh

AlternativeTentacle · 09/11/2017 09:36

AlternativeTentacle clearly you're talking about the darker side of porn. If you visit a free porn site there is hardly anything on there about rape!! Lots of sub/dom role play....i'm into that, as a sub. Willingly. Does that mean my partner is abusing me? Does it frig.

That's nice for you. But most porn [even on the free sites] is abuse or rape. They don't advertise this like 'come see our free rape scenes'. I am not surprised you are a willing 'sub' to be honest.

AlternativeTentacle · 09/11/2017 09:37

probably more to do with a lack of mobile data than anything else.

So he couldn't get his fix or porn so has second best in wanking to you naked? I mean, I just cannot fathom the mental logistics of getting your head around that one.

SoEmbarrassing · 09/11/2017 09:39

Yeah exactly - it's offensive and gross, hence the reason he would never say that but I suspect that's probably what happened.

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mustbemad17 · 09/11/2017 09:54

AlternativeTentacle i pity people like you, I really do!! And yes, i am a willing sub. Doesn't mean i'm deluded, or insignificant, or insecure or anything like that. Means I know what i like 😝

Good heavens I do hope none of you watch naughty films or have ever visited a stripper! God forbid.

OP hope you get it sorted, however you decide to deal with it. End of the day you will know deep down how you feel & how you want this to play out. Good luck! X