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Filmed without my knowledge by DH

191 replies

SoEmbarrassing · 08/11/2017 16:05

Ugh, this is really difficult. Have NC obviously.

I have a great marriage, been with my DH a long time. 2 young kids, bought a house recently, we get on brilliantly and have a great sex life now. However, there have been times where we haven't had sex at all for a while - I have an illness that causes a lot of bleeding and pelvic pain, and a few times while I've been waiting for surgery and in constant pain we haven't had any physical relationship at all for months at a time. We love each other very much so this has been difficult but separating has never been a consideration.

I know he uses porn a lot when we are not having sex regularly. TBH I'm not overjoyed about that but it is what it is - I wish he could get by without it but have never criticised or asked him not to, since I knew he needed to take care of things at times when I couldn't, so we just didn't talk about it. I do know from the comments he's made that he's into voyeuristic stuff.

Last year after my pregnancy we weren't having sex for a while (exhaustion, pumping plus feeling generally gross and hormones all over the place).i was feeling massively insecure about my body and this was made worse knowing he was looking at unrealistically attractive women having sex all the time. I did get upset about it but didn't raise it for a while, until it all came out that I felt massively inadequate and didn't feel I could compete with those women with my gross post-baby body. He tried to reassure me that it wasn't like that, his porn use was purely functional and habit, and he would much rather be having sex with me, or watching videos of me (we made one once, but he deleted it pretty quickly as was really paranoid about it being seen by someone else or getting out somehow which I massively appreciate).

Anyway, during this discussion in an attempt to underline his point, he told me something that I'm really struggling to get past. He told me that, when we went on holiday the previous year (I was about 16 weeks pregnant at the time), he had filmed me without my knowledge when I got out of the shower. There was nothing sexual, just me walking around, probably naked for part of it, getting ready, and he had used that instead of porn until he decided to delete it shortly afterwards. He said he's never done anything like that before or since (in fairness at the time I hadn't been naked in front of him for a good while so he wouldn't have had the chance), and swears it was quickly deleted (I believe this based on how paranoid he has been about other people seeing photos / video taken consensually and therefore how quickly he's deleted them - and often told me later how he's regretted getting rid of them). He said he now feels really awful about it as he knows it was really out of line, but he thought if I knew that then I would understand that I'm not competing with anyone else. I mean, it wasn't even sexual, but clearly it was to him.

We are now back to having an excellent sex life, very frequently other than during my periods which are very painful and heavy and therefore a no go area.

I'm just still concerned that he did it, and while I appreciate him telling me about it I am a bit stunned that he thought this would make me feel better. Since then I've noticed he's been very careful not to have his phone in his hand while I've been getting changed etc, I guess to make it clear he's not doing it again. It does seem like this was a one off mistake which he regrets and wouldn't repeat but I'm worried this is just really naive!

Can this really be a one off borne from desperation? Is it really just a fuck up? Should I be concerned about it or let it go? It's mainly the lack of consent that's bothering me (he has never ever ignored my consent before or since, in any way), along with the mild horror of not ever knowing what was on that video, what I must have looked like etc. I know he would never physically violate my consent during sex - if he wanted to do that he's had plenty of opportunity during times I've been unable which is why I find this so confusing.

He genuinely is a brilliant husband and father and I definitely wouldn't leave him over this, i truly believe he hasn't done it again or before that and that the video is gone. I just can't shake the discomfort at it happening in the first place.

I suspect others opinions will be varied but could never ask any RL friends so here we are. If you had a great marriage and this happened, would you just write it off as a mistake, or something more?

OP posts:
nightshade · 09/11/2017 21:08

No pink pillows....

This is where you misinterpret the law..

There are best interests and powers to prosecute on behalf of adults with limited capacity....

Prosecutions are only taken if they are in the public interest...

As it stands on the basis of the information provided by the OP there is currently no crime being committed as there is no formal complaint....

Ring the police and see what they advise..

RatRolyPoly · 09/11/2017 21:08

You've deliberately misread Pink.

nightshade · 09/11/2017 21:13

Me or pink have misread?

JigglyTuff · 09/11/2017 21:14

I don't think you're glossing over it OP. If you were, I'm assuming you wouldn't have started this thread. My post about the legal position was merely to point out to the posters who say that you are making a bit of fuss and nonsense over nothing that actually if you chose to report him to the police, they would take it seriously. It's not just a bit of fun, or flattering. It's a serious violation.

It's your marriage, only you can decide how you proceed from here. But minimising it and telling you that your disquiet is an overreaction is belittling your very valid feelings.

RatRolyPoly · 09/11/2017 21:14

Sorry night, I meant that Pink had misread your post.

nightshade · 09/11/2017 21:17

Cheers...haven't my glasses on and was just tucking into a glass of white so it could've been a distinct possibility that I had misread...

AtSea1979 · 09/11/2017 21:23

Here we go, another man who 'needs' porn. No he's choosing to. I've been single for a couple of years. I don't need to find creepy ways to get myself off.

Notthemessiah · 09/11/2017 22:02

OP I think you need to stop engaging with this thread and accept that you’ve had all the advice, good and bad, that you are likely to get from it. It sounds like you have made up your mind and are now simply having to argue the toss with those people who don’t like what you have decided.

You know your DP and your relationship far better than anyone here, all of whom will have had different experiences, good and bad, with different men which will naturally colour all of their opinions, so no-one here can claim to be truly objective or give you the ‘right’ answer. Trust yourself to make the right decision for you.

Lefty1 · 09/11/2017 22:18

😂 omg "call the police" what a sensational reaction.

Personally I think I would take it as a positive that my partner loves my body even when I was perhaps feeling not great about myself.

I don't think there's anything perverse about it, you're married , you share a bed , he's seen you at your worst and your best. I'd let it go and be happy about it. All these people saying it's creepy are totally overacting in my view.

JigglyTuff · 09/11/2017 22:44

Fuck me, some posters on MN really are thick as pigshit nowadays. Or this weekend's boresome MRA invasion is just kicking in, given that's your first post Hmm

Lefty1 · 09/11/2017 23:49

Stalking my profile to ascertain what I've posted prior ? Now that's creepy 😂

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I voiced mine but managed not to swear and refer to everyone else who didn't share my view as "thick".

Do you think you have some anger issues that you need to resolve there?

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 10/11/2017 06:39

I guess it all comes down too if your happy with a partner who tramples over your boundaries when he needs to wank. Sure, he's a lovely girl, until he needs to wank, then he will do what he likes to the woman he loves because of his needs.

PS please don't let this man into the female changing rooms.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 10/11/2017 06:39

you're

Pinkpillows · 10/11/2017 08:38

As it stands on the basis of the information provided by the OP there is currently no crime being committed as there is no formal complaint....

Well yes of course no crime from police point of view because they don't know about it yet, if they did yes it'll be deemed a crime

Its up to the cps if there is enough evidence to charge and successfully prosecute not the police

Roweami · 10/11/2017 15:11

Is it just me - or has 'political correctness' gone off the scale?

Is there any common sense left in the world?

Uptheduffy · 10/11/2017 16:19

Just you, I think. If you’re happy for consent not to be a part of your sexual relationships just because you’re married, well that’s your choice I suppose. It wouldn’t be mine.

Roweami · 10/11/2017 17:55

Ah thanks for pointing that out......

Well I ain't done too bad - 59 years old / 38 years married (unlike many people on here amazingly to the same person).

Thought I must be doing something wrong.

Looks like the OP has off - I'm not surprised.

JigglyTuff · 10/11/2017 20:10

Because staying married to a man who doesn't give a shit about his wife's boundaries is just so something to celebrate isn't it? Go you!

SoEmbarrassing · 10/11/2017 23:02

No I haven't fucked off, I have a seriously ill child who's had a bad day.

Anyhow, I don't think it's "political correctness" gone mad to be upset by this. I actually wondered if you'd accidentally commented on the wrong post, since that seems to be a thoroughly bizarre way to look at it in my opinion.

On the other hand, I don't think it's true that my husband has no respect for my boundaries in general - generally he does, which is why this has been an issue for me. If he didn't respect my boundaries generally, this wouldn't have been so much of a shock. He has further apologised since we discussed it, not much I can do really besides hope he truly understands how seriously I've taken it, and that he's genuine when he says he understands and that it won't happen again.

OP posts:
mopdoop · 11/11/2017 12:27

good luck with your decision, and i do hope we are wrong about him.
As for the marriage post, 38 years of marriage is nothing to celebrate, a 38 marriage of happiness support and love with no creepy filming would be something. i know many with long marriages to the biggest creeps ever, who would probbly have things the police could prosecute him over!
wearing years of marriage like a badge of honour sounds like a showing a war wound for some. look what ive managed to put up with without running!
anyway i digress, i think the porn thing is personal and negotiable and not something in itself that was make or break -yes i'd hate it and it annoys me, but it's not abuse itself.
the filming was. and the fact it is prosecuteable should make you really think, whichwas why they pointed it out-non-consent within marriages used to be not only acceptable but not illegal. things have changed as to what that piece of paper means. but knowing that a stranger could have been charged and arrested for what your spouse did should tell you everything.
i agree with the above, you have clearly made up your mind, but im guessing that uneasy feeling wont leave you.
theres a good reason it will stay into the future.
i believe deep down you probably know theres no 99%trust there.
i feel worried and a bit of sadness at your outcome, but i'm not angry that you have a differing opinion, frustration when you see someone you perceive to be going into a dangerous direction can come across as that in the above posts but i believe it's all coming from a concerned place. rather than telling her what to do.
Good luck soembarrassing x
and i hope your child gets better

SoEmbarrassing · 11/11/2017 13:53

Thanks mop. He's has a rare illness, which is obviously hard to cope with.

I understand and appreciate your concerns, honestly I do. I grew up with abusive men, there are certain behaviours I could never tolerate (left a previous partner because he drank too much and was nasty when drunk, and another after he hit me once). In general I'm a "take no shit" sort of person. I think all of this, added to his general behaviour and the fact that we have had such a positive relationship for such a long time, is why I'm finding this harder to process. It was completely out of order, and if there were other problems in our relationship then this would have been the end of things, absolutely. It's just hard to figure out what to do when someone disregards your boundaries like this and the rest of the time respects them. It's confusing and hard to process, but I do believe his remorse is genuine and that he really didn't grasp the severity of it at the time - he said to me the other day that it sounds so sinister now, and he realises it is, but he really didn't think of it that way at the time. I think he's doing a lot of thinking about things himself. If this really was a one off then in time I'll get past it, if it isn't then that's a different story obviously.

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mopdoop · 11/11/2017 14:11

I completely understnad Soembarrassing..
And yes i can imagnine that, i've had it before where it was so positive and perfect then something just pulls the rug out, leaving you so confused and just baffled, when something like this happened to me, i could not believe it either, and just could not process. it was just a few words but thenature of them shook me as it showed the polar opposite mentality to the one i thought i was dating.
I ended up with it torturing my mind and i ended up not knowing where to turn, i then decided a break at home was what was needed to really figure out why someone so usually fab would do it.
In my case i started out thinking ok yeah it's in perpective now, then when said person visited, it really was great, and i thought oh ok it was just a blip-then he was constantly laughing at something on his phone, and my lack of trust took me to check-not something id ever do again but it showed me how my trust was still shattered, and yes i did see things i certainly was in shock over, i guess mysuspicians were then confirmed like a hammer on the head--itried to act ok till person went and then i walked away. from then on ive always trusted my instincts more. this person on the outside was super quiet, a feminist, supportive..and the truth underneath was such a shock. i then found more onthe computer quite by accident, hidden partitions..and now when i get that confused feeling of not trusting my own judgement to that degree, its a sign that person is crossing boundaries
Again im sorry about the situation, and really hope things improve. PLease dont think i was being mean in any way-just when youve been through things you sure as hell dont want other women to go through them x

RogueBiscuit · 11/11/2017 14:28

My exh was a porn dog and also voyeuristic. I would never again be in a relationship with a man who's jerking off to porn all the time. It's not normal. Unfortunately you can pick up spy pens, spy buttons for a pittance.

SoEmbarrassing · 11/11/2017 14:52

I agree, it's not a good thing and it has been a problem for him. I looked through his phone (with him there) the other night and I've had a good look through the computer too for any hidden files and folders - can't find anything beyond the expected porn search history which doesn't appear to be edited in any way, probably because in all our years together I've never one looked in his phone so he probably doesn't bother.

I totally understand what you're saying. I don't think it's happened again, genuinely. He hasn't used any porn since we had this discussion (he works from home so I do know what he's up to) and I'm hoping my reaction has been a wake up call for him. Fingers crossed.

OP posts:
JigglyTuff · 11/11/2017 15:02

@SoEmbarrassing - I wasn't referring to your husband - I meant Roweami's. From what you've said, I think your husband does give a shit about your boundaries but it suited him to ignore them that time.