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18 months after DH affair

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User0811 · 08/11/2017 12:48

Depressingly... another affair story... so many of them on here I'm losing faith in marriage...

Discovered DH's emotional and physical affair 18 months ago. True to script... OW was 19 years younger and he says he was having a mid-life crisis and feeling unloved at home.. even though he seemed pretty happy with me and DDs.

It had been going on for 6mo but they were 'in love'... DH begged for forgiveness and I didn't chuck him out... despite wanting to but we have 9yo and 7yo DDs. My parents divorced when I was 10 and the long-term affect it had on me meant I couldn't do it to them... plus I still loved him... and he is an amazing dad.

But the last 18 months we have fought like crazy, I haven't trusted him one bit and I'm always so mad at him... I'm only so mad because I can't believe he could do this to me... we were in a happy marriage and we loved each other. we've tried therapy but it brings everything to the surface and made me feel worse... so stopped seeing therapist a few months ago.

I've tried to deal with the anger (at him) and jealousy (OW is young and attractive... everything i'm not) I feel and in between the fighting we do have some OK moments... some happy ones to.

But each time we have a bad spell he has gone back to OW... always initiated by him. DH texting her first or searching her out, being where she is etc.

This has happened 6 times and I've found out or he has confessed and every time I've forgiven him because he has shown so much regret... crying and begging for me. Even though since discovery they've kissed and exchanged sexual texts... some really repulsive ones that I can't think about without feeling physically sick. He has assured me they haven't had sex again and I believe him because I've seen the messages... wish I hadn't. He has told her he loves her repeatedly though.... quite recently to. he says he's only gone back to her because we fight so much and because I've been so horrible to him.

He has promised.. again... that this is it now and he is committed to me and our DDs. I'm not as angry now but just feel depressed. We have started having sex again because I feel I should... because I want to even though I don't really know why I want to... and because if we don't he'll keep going back to OW and I do still love him... I want us to be OK again.

My questions and please help because I'm so depressed and fed up of feeling angry and jealous...

how long did it take you to get over DHs affair?

how long before you stopped being so angry?

If your over it... not sure if that's even possible... do you trust DH?

Can you have a marriage without trust?

Feeling very depressed I'll never get over it and if I don't go back to being happy or ever get mad at him he'll go back to OW again... even though he reassures me it's totally over this time. I don't want to lose him.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 08/11/2017 13:48

Your husband isn't one bit remorseful and you are playing the pick me dance.

If you continue thud way you will lose every bit of confidence, self esteem and self respect you ever had.

Your husband had no respect for you and will carry on doing this bebsuse you let him get away with it

Is he the kind of man you'd want your DD to marry? A serial cheat!

If your husband cares for you one tiny but .. tell him to visit

www.survivinginfidelity.com
and post the true version of his story in the wayward forum.

He will be supported and he will be told the truth by fellow cheaters who know what it's like.

They will tell him how soul destroying his actions towards you are.

If you had an affair... did you thunk for one second he'd put up with this selfishness?

User0811 · 08/11/2017 13:50

We have been together forever... I love him... and I don't want to lose him... especially not to her.

OP posts:
PNGirl · 08/11/2017 13:50

It won't! It won't come back because you know he will betray you in a heartbeat. If he was sorry he would never ever speak to her again.

PNGirl · 08/11/2017 13:53

You would be losing a middle aged walking cliche who likes sticking bits of himself in other women and saying it's your fault. The man you married does not exist any more.

SandyY2K · 08/11/2017 13:53

Oh ..and remember...he who cares the least has the most power.

He says a lot .. but his actions don't match his words. Don't continue letting him take you for a prize fool.

How cruel of him ... she better be nice after my 6 month affair or I go back to the OW.

It's abusive behaviour

I'm mad on your behalf.

Mxyzptlk · 08/11/2017 13:55

The more mad I am, the more I push him away and then he runs to her. So the answer has to be to not be angry anymore...

No, the answer has to be for him to stop running to the OW and to stop treating you like crap.

You can't get over the anger while he keeps acting like this and he has no right to tell you that you should be over it.

He is the one who continues to be in the wrong. You are right to be angry.

SandyY2K · 08/11/2017 13:58

Would your husband want a future son in law to do this to your daughters?

I'm going to be brutally frank ...You have to be prepared to lose your marriage to save it.

You've told him in your actions he can go back to her 1000 times and you'll take him back... Did why won't he carry on.

You love him .. he sees you ijn this pain and hurts you all over again.

he doesn't love you It's a one sided marriage.
It's not a competition about winning.

You married him ..there shouldn't be any competition.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/11/2017 13:58

I'm sorry but I think you need to be honest with yourself, even if it's not what you want to hear.

Your marriage is dead. And you are both subjecting your children to a toxic atmosphere - they will grow up remembering that.

Stop doing the 'pick me' dance'. Stop 'staying together for the sake of the children' (it does NOT work). Go and speak to a solicitor and get some control back over your life.

Sorry you are going through this but you're just making it worse for yourself in the long-run. Time to 'woman up' and boot him out. Flowers

SandyY2K · 08/11/2017 14:00

The clock sets back every time he runs to her.

Show him this list

The steps a WS must take for a reconciliation.

Not all of them are required in every situation but, you get the idea:

  1. S/He must be totally honest with you about everything
  2. S/He must answer every question that you ask truthfully and fully.
  3. S/He must do everything in his power to prove to you that you are the one that he wants to be with.
  4. S/He must prove his love to you...he must be patient, gentle, compassionate and understanding.
  5. S/He must feel your pain.
  6. S/He must fully understand the devastation that he caused you.
  7. S/He must accept full responsibility for his actions.
  8. S/He must stop all contact with OP and not try to protect them.
  9. S/He must reassure you that it is OK to ask questions.
10. S/He must reassure you that you will not drive him away by doing the things that are necessary to heal. 11. S/He must recognize when your struggling or experiencing a trigger and comfort you. 12. S/He must be able to tell you how sorry he is and show you. 13. S/He must re-enforce to you, that you are not responsible. 14. S/He must put his own feelings of guilt and shame aside and help you heal first. 15. S/He must reconnect emotionally, mentally, and physically with you and stay connected. 16. S/He must work on rebuilding trust. No secrets. No privacy. 17. S/He must be willing to seek counseling. 18. S/He must learn what is and is not acceptable when communicating with the opposite sex...he must establish boundaries and not cross them.
CardinalCat · 08/11/2017 14:01

OP, I feel you are somewhat selectively taking in advice and asking the same questions without heeding said advice, but since you are asking, I will attempt to answer.

How long before you get over it?

Well, that really depends on you. Are you able to deal with your (entirely justified) anger and hurt. Are soon will you be able to process and come to terms with all of the natural emotions that you may experience, such as distrust, fear, anger, jealousy, hatred, confusion, and the rest. It all depends on how well you can get over that stuff, or (if you don't care too much for your long term mental health) how well and for how long you can block it out. Because until you can do this, you cannot even begin to get over it, and to trust him again.

which takes me to your next question-

When does the trust come back?

Again, kind of over to you, OP. While the onus will be on him to prove himself trustworthy again, an awful lot will depend on to what extent you're able to ignore any nagging feelings of doubt that may crop up from time to time, and any redflag/ warning signs, because you trust him.

or, more accurately, you're scared of upsetting him and him running off again, which puts you back at square one in terms of questions 1 and 2, all over again.

it's just no way to live. it's certainly not a stable environment in which to raise children.

Some couples do recover from infidelity, and I really hope (should you wish to reconcile) that you are one of them. However his track record so far does not inspire much hope of that at all, I'm afraid.

SandyY2K · 08/11/2017 14:03

To a wayward spouse

Just Let Them Go

The end result?

The end result is to respect yourself in the end,
let go of the people that don't value you or respect you.

That is the end result.

The quickest way to get a cheating spouse back is to let them go with a smile on your face wishing them the best in life and hoping that everything works out in their relationship with their affair partner.

Seriously, the quickest way to get them back.

Nothing else works better or quicker.

Let them go.

Agree with them and their feelings,
"you should be with the OM, I hope he makes you happy, good bye"

Wouldn't that be true love?

If you really loved your spouse,
and wanted them to have what they really want in life which is the other person they're in love with,
wouldn't letting them go be the approach if you really love them?

Why focus on the affair or the drama associated with it?
Just let them go. Give them their freedom.

You can take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror everyday and improve yourself but do it for you, not for someone else, the changes will never stick when it's done for someone else, do it for your benefit and you will probably make those changes last much longer if not indefinitely - because it's for your benefit and you realize the importance and value in that benefit because YOU are involved.

I will never tell someone to change to entice a WAW back when she's been cheating on him. I don't care how bad a marriage, there is never an excuse for cheating. That is a personal decision that someone makes to cheat on their spouse. If a marriage is really bad, leave, get a divorce, speak up to your spouse and tell them flat out "this marriage sucks and if things don't change I'm going to leave you and find someone better" and if things don't improve, leave that person.

But cheating, no excuses.

Think about cheating.
A wayward spouse who cheats on their spouse goes behind their back, secretly, telling lies, feeling guilty, getting angry at their spouse for getting in the way of their fantasies but never owning up to their actions, never admitting what they're doing. If a person who cheats on their spouse felt justified in their actions, why hide and go behind their spouses backs when they start cheating, why lie, why make up excuses about late nights at work and going to a friends place and sleeping over because they drank too much and any other such nonsense?

Deep down, the cheating spouse knows there is something inherently wrong with their actions otherwise they wouldn't lie about their actions and hide what they're doing.

Fighting the affair? For what reason?
To compete with the OM or OW for your spouse?
What message does that communicate to your wayward spouse?
They have lots of value and you have none because now you have to compete with another person for their love? Competing with your wayward spouse's affair partner never works, it just prolongs an ugly drama filled process.

And for your last point,
The easiest way to show you will not tolerate cheating in your relationship is to let that person go. That is the easiest and most effective way to show this.

"Look wife/husband, I won't be in an open relationship with you, I won't give you X number of days, weeks, months to make your mind, if you really feel like you need to sit on the fence on this decision and can't decide between your affair partner and me well I will make the decision for you, you can be with them because I'm no longer an option. I love you and wish you a good life with them and hope it works out for you because it didn't work out for us. Now the best thing we can do for each other is to make this process as graceful and peaceful as possible for us and our children, I'll contact a lawyer/mediator and get started on the process of our legal separation/divorce."

You give them what they want.
You don't fight them on this issue.
You agree with their feelings,
they want to be with the other person, fine they should be with the other person, let them be with the other person.

You will never convince a person to change their feelings with your arguments and logic. You can not find one member on this website in a situation where they are dealing with infidelity where they got their spouse to change their mind about how they feel about their affair partner.

You can't say "don't love them, love me instead",
you can't say "look at me, I'm better in every way compared to your affair partner, pick me instead of them",
you can't say "you took marriage vows, you promised to love me"

I agree, you don't have to make it easy for your wayward spouse to have an affair, but when you let them go, "lovingly detach", you don't have to worry about making it easy for them. It's no longer your concern, they can have you or them but not both and not at the same time and since they've chosen to have an affair, they've made their choice, there is no profit in fighting that decision. Let them go and move on with your life, that is the quickest, easiest way to get them back.

You definitely don't support them financially and enable them, that would be weak, wussy, clingy, insecure behavior - something in you telling you that you need to support them financially while they're having an affair, hoping they'll realize how nice you are and come back to you.

In summary

The end result is to respect yourself in the end,
let go of the people that don't value you or respect you.

  1. Why focus on the affair or the drama associated with it?
Just let them go. Give them their freedom.
  1. You can take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror everyday and improve yourself but do it for you, not for someone else,
  1. , there is never an excuse for cheating. That is a personal decision that someone makes to cheat on their spouse.
  1. Just let them go, have them move out or you move out and live a good life without them.
Pinkpillows · 08/11/2017 14:03

This guy must be fucking incredible. Got two women clinging onto him letting him do as he pleases hes a twat to everyone else tho

User452734838 · 08/11/2017 14:03

He is taking the piss and you are are a mug. Unfortunately that is the top and bottom of it.

Oh and he is not an amazing dad because amazing dads don't do this to their families.

Your boundaries are way too low.

ScoutHarper · 08/11/2017 14:06

You deserve better.

Your daughters will be worse off for living with this

Leave.

GothAndTired · 08/11/2017 14:06
  • how long did it take you to get over DHs affair?

how long before you stopped being so angry?*

I'm sorry - no. He's not had one affair. He's had 7.

This isn't marriage. What it actually is is damaging your children far more than getting a divorce will ever do.

Do you want your DC thinking that this is the way to treat women?

GothAndTired · 08/11/2017 14:08

We have been together forever... I love him... and I don't want to lose him... especially not to her.

The man won't keep her either. He'll do this to her to. He'll do this to every woman he is with until he drops dead.

Mrskeats · 08/11/2017 14:09
  1. You can't get over something that's still going on.
  2. Why would you want to put up with this anyway?
  3. You are letting your kids live in a dysfunctional household.
  4. He's not an amazing dad to treat you like this
  5. The marriage is over-time to face it and move on.

Sorry op. I know it's shit but enough is enough. I'm so angry on your behalf-the absolute nerve of him.

Mxyzptlk · 08/11/2017 14:10

Maybe your DDs 'don't know' what's going on but they'll be absorbing the tension in the atmosphere and the low, unhappy mood that you are in, because of your H's bad treatment of you.

Annelind · 08/11/2017 14:10

OP I was appalled by your posts...you've turned yourself into a version of a faithful old dog, waiting by the door for Master's return. FFS read what you have written - as if it was from another person. See how downtrodden and eager to please you've become, whie desperately trying to subjugate your own anger WHICH YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO FEEL.

He must be fucking revelling in this. Let the dick-for-brains go to his precious OW. He is no prize, just a common or garden middle-aged cheating selfish bastard, who will destroy you emotionally and mentally, while laughing up his sleeve.

GothAndTired · 08/11/2017 14:11

He is doing everything to try and help me from being so angry

No he's not OP - don't you see this?!

Doing everything would be cutting the OW off totally, completely for good. Until he does that your marriage is doomed.

ravenmum · 08/11/2017 14:11

he says he's only gone back to her because we fight so much and because I've been so horrible to him
If your partner being horrible to you forces you to have an affair, then you should have had at least seven affairs by now. His selfish behaviour is his choice.

To answer your question, it's been 3.5 years since my ex moved out, and I am no longer angry with him on a daily basis. Just disgusted if I think about him.

What is he doing to make up for his poor behaviour and to convince you that he is on your team? Name one thing.

PNGirl · 08/11/2017 14:16

So next time he goes back to her, how do you think he would react if you said ok, every time you contact her I'm going to go and sleep with the lovely single man down the road or the single dad I chat to at school pickup? After all, he is upsetting you and "making" you do it.

PNGirl · 08/11/2017 14:18

Not to mention I can guarantee he is telling her you are a dragon, the marriage is dead but for the kids, and you are not sleeping together. 100%.

magoria · 08/11/2017 14:19

You have every right to be angry.

Your being angry gives him and excuse. He is blaming you every time he goes back to her. He chooses to go back. He is not accepting this is his fault.

It isn't 18 months. It is x months/weeks since last time.

Sometimes love isn't enough.

Love and respect yourself more.

TrollopHop · 08/11/2017 14:26

I go against the grain of many on MN because I do believe it is possible to get over an affair and I don't believe cheating is always black and white (disclaimer: I've never cheated on anyone myself, physically or otherwise).

However I think you are lying to yourself. This is not an affair that your DH sincerely regrets and is taking responsibility for and is trying to work though. This is an affair that is ongoing. He's lying to you and I'd eat my hat if he wasn't lying to the OW too.

Honestly having divorced parents really isn't as bad as having parents together in an unhappy marriage - take it from me. If you can do divorce amicably that's better for the kids all round. And even if you can't it's still better than children - especially girls in this instance - watching their mother model an abusive relationship to them. Because that's what this is.