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DH has had an affair

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threeandmeandthedog · 28/10/2017 10:16

2017 has been shit. DH 's dad died, I lost my amazing sister to cancer, which had spread to her brain. I was with her throughout most of her illness and it was really fucking awful. She died in June.
I found out that since July DH had hooked up with an old friend he hadn't seen for decades, they bumped into each other at a social event. They have been for coffees, a few drinks and they have kissed.
I only found out because I looked at his phone as I sensed something was wrong. And I feel awful for looking at his phone. She is married with children and an assistant head teacher at a local school. Her partner doesn't know. Apparently it didn't go further than a handful of meetings, texts and kissing. But it would have carried on if I hadn't found d out. And to me this feels like he has just stamped on our marriage. He says it was nothing to do with me, he just met her again after 20+ years and these feelings came up.
If feelings like that come up surely you just say " I have strong feeling but I am married with 3 D.C. And I love my wife so best we don't contact each other." Apparently not.
We have 3 DC. If we didn't I would kick him out right now. I love him but I don't know where we go from here.
He is sorry, wants to make it work, etc.
I think we had both become distant from each other. But I thought we were also supporting each other.
I work full time and have a long commute, where as his working hours are more flexible and he does pick ups and drops offs for school as all three kids are in primary. So if I did ask him to leave I'd have to see him every day anyway.
I am just so sad and angry and upset. This has been the most awful year anyway, I didn't think it could get worse and now it has. My parents have both died and I was very close to my sister. One thing that was getting me through her death was the thought of our family, who mean everything to me. But he has broken the trust in our relationship and I don't know what to do.

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Mumfun · 29/10/2017 17:25

Lots of Flowers and hugs

You have done the right thing asking him to leave and getting support for yourself.

This is all so painful. But you call the shots now. You think what you want. And give yourself some time. If he isnt happy about that tell him where to go.

And it is very bad that he sent her love songs. My ex did that and it means it was more serious .

So look after yourself. Be kind to your self and look after your kids. Cook for them and make yourself eat. Take all the support you can get in RL and on here. And you will get through - but it will be painful for a while. But gradually it will get better.

threeandmeandthedog · 29/10/2017 20:39

Have had a chance to sit and read this thread properly. Kids are in bed and he has gone.
every single post has helped me thank you.

Wallywobbles, what you said about secrets of this kind being toxic is true. I am not keeping this to myself. I will protect my children from it but I will share it with whom I chose, and if people judge him as a total cunt for doing this, that's because he is.

I don't want to tell the OW's husband, I have no idea who he is or how to contact him and her social media settings are really tight. I feel for him too, as his spineless shit of a partner is living a lie too. I also feel like I need to be dignified, for my own sense of self. I feel her and 'H''s actions are selfish and pathetic beyond belief. I don't think I even have words to say to her at this time, but my feelings seem to be changing by the second.

I woke up at 6 am drained and upset, he did take the initiative (at fucking last) and made tea and we talked. I explained why he had to tell his mum and brother and that I would be telling my friends as I need them right now. I asked him to move out for the next few days as I need some space and I need the dust to settle and get some clarity. I also need to see what he does and how he approaches this.

It has not been helpful that our conversations have generally happened when the kids are in bed and have involved a glass of wine. I have said we need to do this in time that is ringfenced and sober and when the kids are not around.

My friends have been lovely, all of them saw I was sad and looking pretty fucking shit last night. Each one texted today to see what was up as I had brushed it off last night and said I was ill and had had a shit week. I left H with the kids this afternoon so he could spend time with them before he left. The gravity of this has hit him. I sat and chatted to two friends separately and it made a huge difference being able to talk and cry and get some perspective. I feel a lot calmer now.

I took the kids off this morning and he sat and told his mother and brother and said he will tell his other brother tonight. I want his family to know what he's done. I want him to feel ashamed as he speaks those words.

I don't know what I want right now. I do love him. But our marriage was about our moral code too and I without trust I can't see there being a future. But I need time. He has arranged relationship counselling, which I feel might be helpful regardless of the resolution of it. I feel like I would like a witness to this. I am wary of the element to this that does apportion blame. I strongly feel there is no excuse to infidelity and the problems in our marriage did not make him go out and be unfaithful. He did that.

Unlike him, before I make any decisions about the future, I need to stop and think. I also need to be clear in my thinking if I decide we can't move forward because we will have to tell this to our three children. At the moment we have told them he has to go and help his elderly mother out with some house stuff (more lies) for a few days.

I have rung my boss, who is lovely and explained that I have had some shocking news, and given that, on top of the grief for my sister, I feel I need to take Monday and Tuesday off for my own mental health and well being.

I am going to take kids to school, go swimming and do some thinking and probably some crying and drink a lot of coffee. I feel really flat, sad, odd, angry...

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BifsWif · 29/10/2017 20:56

I am so very sorry for your loss OP. I lost my sibling in an accident and even now, 8 years on, I still feel like I’ve been hit by a bus some days.

What your husband has done to you is unforgivable. You have only just began to grieve for your lovely sister, and now you are going to have to grieve the loss of your marriage and the man you thought your husband was. Please access support in RL, and be kind to yourself. Wishing you lots of strength and peace x

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 29/10/2017 21:05

You need to know what exactly he’s said to his mum and brothers, I bet it’s not the the truth. What did he say when you asked him to leave? Does he realise he’s wrecked his marriage? Sorry you’re going through this.

Pogmella · 29/10/2017 21:44

You're doing brilliantly. Telling people is huge bit it's the first step forward. One day at a time x

CocoaXx · 29/10/2017 21:57

Flowers I don’t know what else to say, apart from I am so sorry this has happened on top of your sister dying.

He doesn’t love her, because he doesn’t know her, not the way he loves and knows you. I don’t know what he was thinking, but it is not love.

scatterbrainedstarfish · 29/10/2017 22:06

Flowers thinking of you OP.
I’m so pleased you have shared this with your friends.

JaneEyre70 · 29/10/2017 22:14

I honestly don't know what to say that would be of any remote help to you right now. You're going through deep grief and trying to make sense of that, and instead of supporting you, he goes out looking for attention elsewhere. That doesn't sound like a decent man to me, but only you know your history and if things can be salvaged. I do think making him leave the family home is the best thing - so he can appreciate just what he's done to you all, and for you to have the space to work out how you're feeling.
I hope that things get better for you soon Flowers. Just take it day by day and don't put any pressure on yourself.

greendale17 · 29/10/2017 22:20

Tomorrow you tell her husband. Or confront both her and her husband with this

^This

threeandmeandthedog · 29/10/2017 22:36

Greendale, I feel that if I was doing that now it would be, for me, about revenge, and I don't want revenge.
I know he has a right to know the truth. But I have no idea who he is or where they live and no energy to find that out. I have looked.
I need to focus on me and my children and keep that focus on what is best for us, for me and I think this will take time.

Schnitzel this is a good point and I feel he told me the truth (ha ha fucking ha!). I have a good relationship with all of them but have also said I don't want contact from them right now. I need to be about me and keep strong.

His thing with the OW is total self indulgent infatuation. Life is hard, relationships take work, bad things happen. For him it was an excuse not to deal with hard shit and to be a selfish cunt and service his own needs. And for this I am raging.

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threeandmeandthedog · 29/10/2017 22:38

And a poster up thread said love is about each other, of course, but the reality is shit hair in the morning, arguing about who goes to Lidl, putting the bins out. It's not glamourous. But it is respectful.

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TheweewitchRoz · 29/10/2017 23:26

So sorry for your loss & so sorry you’re going through this Op. My only advice is to take 1 day at a time & be kind to yourself. Flowers

Annoyed5678 · 29/10/2017 23:43

OP you have alot going on in different angles of your life, process everything that's happened this fat and put your husband on the back burner until you decide what to do, he can sit and wait forever right now your still grieving and need to sort yourself out before you get clarity on how your marriage will pan out. Do what's best for you not him

threeandmeandthedog · 30/10/2017 04:05

It's 4 in the morning and I am wide awake.
I just feel sick to the bone.

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C0untDucku1a · 30/10/2017 04:19

It will get beter.

user1493423934 · 30/10/2017 04:42

Yes it will get better. You've been through hell OP. Can't add to the good advice you've already been given. Stay strong. Flowers

ElfrideSwancourt · 30/10/2017 05:00

OP you are so brave- well done for kicking him out.
17 years ago my DH cheated on me- I didn’t have mumsnet so I didn’t tell anyone because I was so ashamed. We ‘worked through it ‘ had counselling etc We are still together but the trust is gone and I still think about it every day.
I massively regret not leaving him at the time- with hindsight I would have been fine. I was young and beautiful and had a good career- DD and I would have been fine. Now I’m old and fat with health problems and a shit career and leaving is much less practical.

claraschu · 30/10/2017 05:23

OP I am so sorry, and I never post on threads like this because I feel I don't have any wisdom. I just feel I want to add one more perspective to the thread though.
My close friend's husband had an affair with a family friend of theirs. It went on for 18 months and their were lots of lies. However, 6 years on, they are together and have been through so much, and come out with a marriage which truly is better, more honest, stronger than ever. The thing that made it work was that he was able to take full responsibility for what happened, and for working incredibly hard to do everything to earn back her trust. No excuses from him, and no getting tired of her anger and sadness, just a determination to show his love and regret in whatever way he can.
At the beginning, she just said that she was not rushing to a decision, but taking time to let her path become clear to her, without pressure to act or to decide anything, and with space to think and feel.

I really hope that your pain gets better soon.

MerryMarigold · 30/10/2017 05:37

I just wanted to send you a hug. I tend to be up at this time. It sounds so horrendous and I think this grief will also bring up your very recent bereavement, so I can't imagine how awful you must be feeling. I think what's so difficult is that he could do this to you at this time, when you've been/ going through so much. It's a betrayal at any time but that's really, really hard to forgive and shows how weak he really is. He couldn't support you when you needed him to. I think you've seen him for who he is and the next few months will reveal it more. Have you always been the strong one? Has he always been this emotionally weak?

threeandmeandthedog · 30/10/2017 05:48

Elf I am sorry you have trod this path too. Each perspective helps and I am scared that if I don't act with all my strength now putting me and my children above his needs and a marriage that just isn't real any more then I will live to regret it.

One thing I have learnt this year is life is short. You only get one fucking shot.

Just the thought of doing this alone is terrifying. The thought of the changes it would mean for my kids just makes me so sad and so angry.

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threeandmeandthedog · 30/10/2017 05:52

Clareashu "The thing that made it work was that he was able to take full responsibility for what happened, and for working incredibly hard to do everything to earn back her trust. No excuses from him, and no getting tired of her anger and sadness, just a determination to show his love and regret in whatever way he can. "
This is what needs to happen. And if he can't see this or do this then I think I have my answer. He needs to fucking want this and show it and he needs to see that for himself. I have a feeling my story won't end like this. But that's my lucky escape I suppose.

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threeandmeandthedog · 30/10/2017 05:55

Merrigold, I always thought he was strong. We've always talked openly, or at least I thought we did.
I suppose I can see a lot of weakness now. We have been through a lot together, deaths, one of our children has been extremely ill, the stress of that reoccurring, moving countries, and I thought we were strong.
But it turns out we aren't.

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ohamIreally · 30/10/2017 06:00

I'm sorry you're going through this. I'm glad you have Mumsnet and the source of strength that all these experienced women can provide. What has happened has changed things forever and there is no going back to that loving trusting place. So you have to work out how to make your life the best it can be for you and of course that involves your children's happiness but they will have their own lives so please think about practical and emotional steps that will help you on this journey. Imagine your sister cheering you on (along with all of us).

thiskittenbarks · 30/10/2017 06:06

Oh I am so so sorry. The year is nearly over and I hope 2018 holds much better things for you.
My DP cheated on me about 5 years ago and we broke up, although neither could move out so we still lived together during the week. With hindsight this was definitely a mistake (we had just moved to a new city 3 hours away from any family and bought a flat together so seemed like the only option- but looking back I was so weak and just couldn't walk away). We rekindled things after about 9 months and things have honestly been better than they ever were before. He worked hard at it and it took time. And it will always be in the back of my mind. But we had no DC then so obviously different circumstances and nowhere near such an important relationship. I am so sorry this happened to you.
You sound like you are being very strong.
I don't have any advice, apart from fake some time to do some nice things for yourself, but it sounds like you are doing this anyway.

TheLegendOfBeans · 30/10/2017 06:08

His actions speak volumes OP; and this is so hard for you to hear but he’s not sorry.

His blame shifting plus the declaration that he’s basically in love with her says it all.

In his head he will justify this as him having had no choice but to look elsewhere for a bit of —ego massage— attention as he wasn’t getting it from you. Never mind the strain and upset and heartbreak you’ve been though, this is all about him and his wants and needs.

This is why the resolution to what’s happened here must come from him. Trying to lead him to a solution will backfire and not work. He’s already proved his cunt credentials by letting you down at the time when you needed him the very most. “Force” him into making it work and he will resent you further.

For what it’s worth this is not the first time I’ve heard of this happening. An older relative of mine had this when her parents and best friend all died within two years. Her husband was having it away with a local woman from the pub.

The standout thing I remember is that she was strangely grateful that she’d had so much brutal shit happen to her at once so when she eventually changed her life for the better it felt like a true fresh start, away from her pig husband and living by herself with memories of the happier times and the green shoots of a social life forming thanks to local craft groups etc.

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