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How do I dodge this date? Is it even a date? Help!

189 replies

Slaylormoon · 13/10/2017 02:18

Long time lurker, first time poster in this topic, looking to anyone who has more experience than I do that can shed some light on how to proceed with this situation.

I'll try not to drip feed!
I am 22, attending University [late starter, worked in retail after dropping out of my A levels then eventually got accepted to University after a one year HE Access course]
The Uni is in the UK but not my home country iyswim, so I don't have a lot of immediate friends or any family to turn to about this, and we're not that close anyway.

At the beginning of the year I came into contact with a man considerably older than me, [52] on a forum about a mutual hobby, and we exchanged general chitchat before finding out each other's names, ages etc. He seemed very laid back and not at all pushy which was nice, but I was very surprised when he asked my birthday and then commented he'd been a practising lawyer since I was 2!

I'm fairly open minded and it's not the sort of hobby it would be unusual to find a mix of ages interested in [cooking related] so it didn't phase me and we continued to exchange very casual messages, first on the forum but after on the KiK messaging app.

All continued as usual, he would usually initiate messaging and I'm not always the fastest to reply but we would have normal conversations, what we had for tea, what was good on netflix etc, but nothing deep or revealing. He once mentioned that maybe we should meet up at some point but I told him I was too focused on University having finally got to this point and didn't think I would have time during my breaks as I usually fly home and spend time with my family.

Until today, when by chance I check the app and see I have three unread messages from him.

The first said: "I've booked a bit of time off over the weekend, how about I make that visit we spoke about?" (We!?)

The second message, sent an hour after the first said: "I'll have a look at flights, and let you know if it's reasonable (:"

Fourty minutes after the second message, he sent: "All done and booked! Premier Inn for Saturday night, best get a move on and book a place for dinner Missy!"
Confused
Now, I'm diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome and thus do admit I have a diminished awareness at times regarding social situations, but reading back every message we've exchanged I can't fathom how I have led him on in any way, or hinted that I wanted a relationship with his man. I have always been polite, jokey but not flirtatious, I wouldn't even really know how to start flirting with someone!

He has never called me 'Missy' or acted this strangely before so I thought perhaps he had messaged the wrong person, but after asking him if he was serious it seems he actually -has- on a mad whim booked a hotel, presumably just for him, but worst case scenario he expects to get me in it, doesn't he?

I've spent hours laying in bed now trying to draft a succinct but not unkind message that will get me out of this, I already have plans on the weekend and even if I was free, I don't think I would feel comfortable on a date with a 52 year old, he's older than my own father. It just feels very forced and like maybe he thinks I'll just go along with it?

If anyone wiser than me can come up with something, I'd be incredibly grateful. I was pretty sure he was just a genuine friendly person, but surely him booking a stay in a town he's never been to before, in a country he's never set foot in, to meet a 22 year old vulnerable adult is a red flag?

OP posts:
arousingcheer · 13/10/2017 15:48

To me it sounds like you're implying - maybe unintentionally - that participating in this convo she was at the very least inviting some kind of unsavoury attention.

Just chatting with people is what it sounds like: just chatting. He is the one who fantasised/engineered a sexual angle to the exchange.

Op has already said she has AS. She is 22. I guess she thought she was just being a person who chats with other people - ? Maybe since he had presented himself as a safe, neutral, professional person she thought he would be aware of normal boundaries - ? Of course it now seems that he is a predator, which puts all earlier communication in a different light. Of course he made himself look as benign as possible.

I know it isn't always appropriate to make direct comparisons, but if she had been communicating with a 52yo woman who suddently revealed she'd planned to turn up for the weekend I feel like everyone would agree that that was odd and unpleasant, and not question op about what sort of relationship she imagined she was getting into.

nauticant · 13/10/2017 15:52

You'll find that lots of people have chats online without romantic intent. Hobbies etc.

It's odd you'd suggest such a thing on an online forum for chatting to strangers.

Comments like yours might give the OP the impression that she's done something wrong.

Pidlan · 13/10/2017 16:00

I have had something like this recently- chatting with a much older man online, just friendly stuff, and then all of a sudden, he told me he'd be coming up here (5 hours') in a few days to celebrate his birthday with me because he thought I was very attractive and he couldn't stop thinking about me.
I just said I wasn't available and went NC. In the meantime, he sent my son (who he's never met) a birthday gift.
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bumblingbovine49 · 13/10/2017 16:10

Just post.
I have no interest in meeting up and have never even hinted that I would consider this. I am only interested in online chatting about xxx hobby. I hope you have a nice weekend break.

Then leave it at that. Block him if he gets difficult.

SleepFreeZone · 13/10/2017 16:18

Not at all, just concerned she doesn't get herself in this position again.

Angelf1sh · 13/10/2017 16:28

^ she didn't get herself into this position though. He did.

nauticant · 13/10/2017 16:32

Yeah, I agree with Angelf1sh. There's something off about suggesting, even vaguely, that the OP is responsible in some way for his rather worrying behaviour.

arousingcheer · 13/10/2017 16:37

By saying she got herself into this position you're laying the blame at her feet. We can't just not communicate with anyone for fear they could be a predatory arse. Sadly even by sequestering yourself you can't necessarily avoid being victimised, attacked etc.

It is his doing. But he knows that, he came looking for someone 'nice', someone who he hoped would be passive.

ShitOrBust · 13/10/2017 16:41

You owe him nothing.
but he will expect sex if you do cave and meet him.
Block him and call the police if he turns up at your halls.

Slaylormoon · 13/10/2017 16:50

Wow I didn't expect so many replies! Thank you so much everyone I'm a bit overwhelmed here but will do a proper update and answer more questions (if I've missed them) when I've had a chance to properly see them all.

A plethora of you mentioned you thought I was too polite in my response and I wholeheartedly agree with you now!

Three more messages greeted me when I woke up. The first:

'Whaaaat?Why?I've paid for the flight,hotel etc now and it's not refundable!What's happened?'

The second was just my irl name with ?!

And then the third was a picture of his printed out boarding pass (I think that's what it is, probably can't get away with showing you that it's got all his name on etc) and it was as if I hadn't said anything at all!
He wrote : In answer to your first question...flight's an hour,so (airport) about half 12 and then figure out trains to (The town) so guessing about tea timeish I'll be there 😊

I'm absolutely astounded that actually saying, no, I'm not free, has been railroaded over and I probably wouldn't have noticed if some previous posters hadn't clued me in.

The 'in answer to your first question' bit alludes to when I had asked him if he was serious and had actually booked it.

Confused
OP posts:
runningintothelight · 13/10/2017 16:52

Ummm block him !!

This is an alarming amount of red flags .

Please , PLEASE do not give in and meet him under any circumstances!

Tentomidnight · 13/10/2017 16:54

Unbelievable Shock
Please don't be polite in your response, this guy needs to hear it straight..
"I will not be available, this weekend, or ever. Please don't contact me again" maybe?

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 13/10/2017 16:55

Time to block now, no further interaction. He's shown his true colours and they are shitty.

Popchyk · 13/10/2017 16:55

Send him a text "Do not contact me ever again". Then block him completely on everything.

The sleazy bastard.

nauticant · 13/10/2017 16:56

As predicted he's now switched to guilt-tripping you. You are supposed to feel guilty, feel you have no choice, and to say "OK, you can come and visit". He has ignored your wishes and is now trying to manipulate you.

If he did succeed to get you into his hotel room, do you think he would listen to your wishes then? Do you think he would not try all kinds of coercion to get what he wants?

The only answer you should send now:

I did not invite you. I do not want you to visit. I want no further contact from you.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 13/10/2017 17:01

Slaylormoon- I wouldn't even reply. Just delete and block.

How ridiculous. Horrible man really chancing his luck.

KarateKitten · 13/10/2017 17:02

If you think he knows too much about you and how to find you, I'd go to the police and ask for advice. And I'd tell him that you've gone to the police and they are aware that he is not listening to you saying no.

Popchyk · 13/10/2017 17:06

I think you need to send one last text though before any thought of involving the police.

You haven't actually said that you don't want to meet him, just that you are busy this weekend and not available to meet him. Not your fault, of course, you were just trying to put him off.

One quick text "Do not contact me again" is very clear and if he persists after that then yes it can be a police matter.

WellThisIsShit · 13/10/2017 17:06

Hang on, if it's not usual to chat to people online without giving them the impression that you want a romantic relationship then...

I'm sorry to break it to you everyone, but I fancy the pants off you all and will be making several trips around the country this weekend and hope to have sex with many of you Grin

Wink💝❤️💛💚💙💜💝Shock

Phoarrr to the lot of you!

(Ok, I know fb messaging is a bit more personal but still no reason for him to expect anything).

Slaylormoon · 13/10/2017 17:10

I'll admit I stole the reply I sent from up thread:

We didn’t discuss you coming to visit. You suggested it and I declined. That still stands. I’m not going to have dinner with you, nor meet up, and it was extremely presumptuous of you to book a flight without waiting to hear if I wanted you to come.

Because I couldn't word it better myself!

In clarification, yes we are from England but flights are necessary/a big time saver to get to the other UK country my University is in.

SleepFreeZone, I can see that you were trying to be helpful with what you have asked and although it came off a bit accusatory I'll still answer, no I didn't see him as setting myself up a sugar daddy, or as a father figure, it was literally a pen pal situation. I won't (hopefully) get in this sort of situation again as I think you put it, I'm usually very good at learning from situations it's just that I suppose I was clouded in AS brain/naivety and didn't think.

Which isn't good, I should remember to think Smile.

I actually googled his name a while back and he's listed on a sort of directory site for lawyers, so that ties up the loose end there. He probably could be married, but I never thought to ask because why would that have anything to do with me iyswim, I was very much in the mindset of us just being 'friends'.

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arousingcheer · 13/10/2017 17:11

Ffs, what an arse he is. If you want to reply you could say 'Do not come here or contact me again.' Then block him and if you want to tell the police do so.

I wonder if he imagines that loads of blokes are just 'taking what's theirs' or some kind of PUA nonsense, and he's jumping on the bandwagon. That is what it sounds like.

TrickOrRuddyTreat · 13/10/2017 17:12

'Whaaaat?Why?I've paid for the flight,hotel etc now and it's not refundable!What's happened?'

Well that wasnt predictable at all!

I would send what LilyMcClellan wrote and add 'I will not be responding to you any further, do not contact me again* and then block him.

NeedingSolutions · 13/10/2017 17:13

A close shave OP. The man has the cheek of the devil. He's not giving in easily is he? A very lucky escape indeed.

MillicentFawcett · 13/10/2017 17:13

Sykadelic - that was terrible advice. So glad the OP ignored it.

How are things today Stayformoon?

Popchyk · 13/10/2017 17:14

"I actually googled his name a while back and he's listed on a sort of directory site for lawyers, so that ties up the loose end there".

Nope, not necessarily.

He could easily be pretending to be that person.