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DH is sabotaging our relationships with other people

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Theburiedpenis · 24/09/2017 15:56

DH has done a few things over the years which have alienated us from other people. Big things like pulling out of holidays with friends last minute and leaving them with the bill for the villa, to little things like pulling out of dinners, events or gatherings last minute when people have made an effort for us or spent money, and he expects the DC and I to do so as well.

It's made worse for me by the fact that I -rightly or wrongly - am quite motivated by other people's approval and being part of a group. So when he alienates people it causes me a lot of suffering. And when we start to arrange things with other people or family I feel sick with suspense at what way DH may sabotage the relationship.

DH's reasons for pulling out of things are always based around something that has happened to him, like a sudden depression, or injury or illness. All things which are very subjective, which he considers extreme and which it is hard to argue that he should just "push through" without being accused of lacking sympathy or being "cold and heartless" towards him, as DH puts it.

But he seems to bring these things out the day, or two to three hours before we are supposed to do something that I am looking forward to.

One of the big examples (he has done this twice) is pulling out of holidays with my (and supposedly his) friends. We booked a villa for several thousand pounds, each family paying a couple of thousand each. The day before we were due to fly, DH decided that he was ill (I'd say he probably had a cold but he thought it was "much worse." Granted, he has asthma so it may have felt much worse.) I tried to persuade him to see how he felt, get some medication, I said we wouldn't want to lose the money and the DC were looking forward to seeing their friends.

Anyway, he insisted we pull out, stating he was very unwell. And he told our friends that it was such exceptional circumstances beyond our (his) control that they should allow us not to pay and take on our financial contribution themselves as they would get to enjoy the holiday and we would not. When they said that was unfair, he told them what was unfair was the compassion they lacked at his being "extremely unwell." Well, one of those friends no longer talks to us and that is a loss to me.

There have been many smaller things like this, but they all involve DH bending the rules or breaking the contract and justifying it to himself because he feels that what is happening to him is an extreme exception, and if anyone were to question his special circumstances that they would be a heartless, uncompassionate psychopath.

And if I show him the pattern of events he has created, he has an explanation for each one, each a one-off, an exceptional circumstance. And if I don't put his suffering first above "socialising" (as he calls it) then I am not a good life partner etc.

FWIW he does this with his ownfamily too and his friends so it's not just limited to people who are predominantly connected to me.

What do you think? Is anyone else's partner like this?

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PsychedelicSheep · 24/09/2017 17:53

beesandknees brilliant post, absolutely spot on

FinallyHere · 24/09/2017 17:57

Wot beesandknees said ^

MissWilmottsGhost · 24/09/2017 17:59

He wants proof that you think he is more important than your friends.

He makes you choose, him or them. That's why he sulks when you choose them.

It is a control tactic. He is making sure you always put him first.

What a twat.

Bluntness100 · 24/09/2017 17:59

I really wish people would stop trying to medically diagnose this guy, if anything he's a narcissist, or he has a deeply abusive personality, or both. Or more likely he's just a horrible little man who gets off on abusing his wife, family, friends and kids because of the power it gives him. She's not asking for a medical diagnosis...

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 24/09/2017 18:01

Anyway, he insisted we pull out, stating he was very unwell. And he told our friends that it was such exceptional circumstances beyond our (his) control that they should allow us not to pay and take on our financial contribution themselves as they would get to enjoy the holiday and we would not. When they said that was unfair, he told them what was unfair was the compassion they lacked at his being "extremely unwell." Well, one of those friends no longer talks to us and that is a loss to me.

This is frankly astonishing on quite a few levels. So much so that I read it again with my mouth hanging open. As a separate point, had your DH never heard of travel insurance. That's how you deal with genuine illness. Not self-insure via your friends

Bluntness100 · 24/09/2017 18:06

Yup and that paragraph shows why it's not anxiety,

Op is he not very successful in real life? Is there something in his work life that makes him create situations where he calls the shots in his personal life like this? To give him power over others?

geologyrocks · 24/09/2017 18:12

I really don't know how you have put up with this op. I bet he magically is better once the plans or holiday is cancelled

Movingon1611 · 24/09/2017 18:16

My exh is just like this except he'll agree to things, I'll then check a million times it's definitely ok and on the day he'll drop the bomb that he never wanted to go and I'd forced him and if I made him go then I was a bully and putting myself before the kids.
9/10 he'd still end up going wherever we were supposed to be going but would sulk after even if he enjoyed himself- one example is my sisters wedding.
We were arguing in the hotel at the venue the night before because, despite driving the 4 hours to get there, having the pre wedding dinner and a lovely time- he didn't want to be there and I should've known that and I should've gone to my parents room at 2am to tell them we weren't going (including my 2 dc!)
I said I would tell people he was ill if he really didn't want to go but insisted that me and dc went- he ended up coming and having a great time. That was 3 years ago, we split up this April and he was still saying I'd bullied him into going

I can see now what a manipulative and controlling twat he really was to me and am now thankful he had an affair and left me because I don't have to worry about plans anymore

keepingonrunning · 24/09/2017 18:22

Controlling manipulative narcissistic sociopath.

I've been in your shoes. It took a police officer to tell me it wasn't anxiety, it was all DELIBERATE domestic abuse.

It's interesting you mention, if anyone were to question his special circumstances that they would be a heartless, uncompassionate psychopath I speculate he is projecting, he is really talking about himself. It's unusual to use that kind of language in normal conversation. He thinks everything about him is special.

There is every likelihood you are being coercively controlled and walking on eggshells. It's no way to live and it's only going to get worse. Phone Women's Aid 0808 2000 247.

Run, escape with your poor DC. The hills are that way ----->>>>>>>>>

Justonemorelatte · 24/09/2017 18:24

I dated some one with diagnosed anxiety who pulled similar stunts.

Interestingly he was (like the pp mentioned) one of those "bright people who felt unfulfilled and frustrated (doing his PhD but not really wanting to work for the company which sponsored him, and sort of feeling "intellectually superior to everyone else without the social status to match") I think he had severe control issues?

Anxiety is an illness, but there seemed to be a strong overlap between the episodes and "getting his own way"

they seemed to be wheeled out right on cue as a control thing - it was like he couldn't deal with me directing attention to anyone but him so he'd regularly . What WAS creepy with hindsight was just thinking of him sitting there like a revolting little rat, thinking "oh, she's happy now, oh it's time to direct attention to ME ME ME"

Unfortunately, I got the impression it was incurable - I think it's a behaviour pattern inherited from a passive aggressive family/ mother and if I dared to question it, then I was the bitch not taking his "illness" seriously

Not surprisingly, most other people didn't sustain one-one contact with him, and as we weren't living together he was always trying to get in on new social groups, but after a time I think he just reverted back to the weird drama king behaviour,

AFewThings · 24/09/2017 18:27

SheMozzle interesting as never heard of PDA, and sorry to hear about your daughter - its tough when your kids have these kinds of issues.

Ttbb · 24/09/2017 18:27

You are partly responsible here. In choosing to also pull out every single time he does (I can understand on holiday but if it's just dinner it should be fine for s couple of hours) and by not doing the responsible thing money wise you are making his bad behaviour yours too.

Movablefeast · 24/09/2017 18:29

It's true that he is ruining your reputation as a trustworthy person along with his own. But he doesn't care about that, while you do.

That tells you a lot.

AFewThings · 24/09/2017 18:33

Honestly ... I think people should come down a bit. I'm sure the OP's got the message ...

keepingonrunning · 24/09/2017 18:36

Do you feel intimidated by him OP? Or do you feel able to stand up to him and tell him you aren't putting up with his nonsense anymore?

Gingernaut · 24/09/2017 18:38

It may be social anxiety, or it could be jealousy.

If he's not the centre of attention, then it doesn't matter how much it costs, he's got to have all eyes on him.

He's so important, that the whole family have to do as he says.

His behaviour is disgusting and the fact your children are suffering as a result is unacceptable.

Mix56 · 24/09/2017 18:39

I expect there's more abuse that you haven't mentioned, does he also try & intervene or otherwise disapprove of any girlfriends, or the idea of you going away to visit anyone, including family, has he gradually made you isolated, & do you feel controlled silently
If you join a club, or sport, is it met with sulks & disapproval ?
I wonder if you inwardly groan when he comes home ? do you enjoy your time at home with DC more when he isn't there ? Does DC behave differently when he is home ?
If any of things ring true you have a bigger problem, & you already know you regret that you are unhappy in your marriage prison
& most importantly, your DC will also feel the same way: unhappy.
They are like sponges, they absorb the problems that he creates too

annandale · 24/09/2017 18:54

Oh xh was like this. I always had the choice of going on my own and feeling selfish and shit, or staying home and feeling rude, shit and lonely. I'm afraid I never really got to the bottom of it as I left him (not actually because of this but it was a factor). Ask yourself why you are with a partner who will discard other people so easily. One day he will do the same to your children. You will probably have to attend your children's weddings on your own having had a massive row with him.

When xh and i were close to splitting up I did stand up for myself more and to my astonishment the world did not end. They do this because they are weak people. Try this. Tell him 'x is happening and I'm going, when you feel ill on the day do you want to ring the out of hours doctor or just go to bed?' Name it, laugh at it, get it out in the open.

childmaintenanceserviceinquiry · 24/09/2017 19:27

He is an abuser. Simple. The harder part is working out how you are going to deal with it so that your life and your children's lives are not blighted by him.

cestlavielife · 24/09/2017 19:36

It doesn't matter if he is "Otherwise lovely"

Most bullies and abusers are lovely and charming at times
Otherwise why would d we get taken in ?

Gemini69 · 24/09/2017 19:40

I cannot get over him doing this to your CHILDREN ffs ?! your poor kids all super buzzing for yet another Holiday and DAD waits til a few hours before leaving to pull the plug...

how can you live with this man... Shock

gingerbreadmam · 24/09/2017 19:43

This is very sad for your children.

Theburiedpenis · 24/09/2017 19:52

Hi everyone - thank you for very helpful advice. I do agree with you.

For those responding with "get a grip" or "it's your children I feel sorry for" as their first post - that is not kind. You do not know all the nuances. Of course this behaviour is on a spectrum and there have been many times we have done what we want regardless of his behaviour or words. I am just giving you examples in this post to describe his behaviour. And I do understand that whether we sometimes "defy" him or not, it is still an abusive situation to be in.

I am still quite scared to be honest. he is quite powerful, financially, reputationally. He shockingly has done well at work, but there have been many of these type of stunts pulled at work too - reacting in extreme ways so that everybody retreats or takes a step back or doesn't stand up to him. Yes he is a bully.

But really, I get the message, and I don't need comments attacking me please

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JennyHolzersGhost · 24/09/2017 19:59

I think you need comments that shock you into realising how abnormal and abusive your relationship is OP. Your husband sounds an absolute piece of work. Please find a way to leave him.

Gemini69 · 24/09/2017 20:02

you must see that his shocking behaviour has a dreadful life long affect on your kids... so you cannot be surprised when the Posters call you out on it.... Flowers

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