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Red flags thread - post yours here

180 replies

lottieandmia · 17/09/2017 22:58

I've spend a good amount of time working on what I will no longer put up with in relationships /dating & it's still a work in progress but I have managed to help myself by immediately blocking someone who has red flags (I have to be stricter than most people because of being on the spectrum I naive)

  1. They ask you to do something which you say no to. But they won't accept no and keep nagging.
  1. Constantly on dating sites. Constantly. There are many reasons why these people should be avoided not least because when they actually find someone they still keep looking.
  1. Ignore your messages / don't text back. Nobody is too busy to text you back.
  1. Look at their Twitter - the people they follow can be quite revealing. If they follow people like Hugh Hefner it's a bad sign.
  1. They've never had a relationship. The older they are the worse this is. (Not always but generally)
  1. Break ups were never their fault.
  1. They call women 'sluts' & other misogynist terminology.
  1. They put photos of themselves on Facebook and blank out other people. Unless this is a child this is odd and suggests they see other people as props in their life.
  1. They tell you they don't know exactly what they're looking for.
  1. They don't have many friends AND constantly fall out with the friends they do have and work colleagues and family (individually no but altogether = red flag)

  2. They have a child they either don't see or don't pay child maintenance for.

  3. You go for dinner and they ignore your wishes to split the bill, or they tell you what you're having.

I'm sure there are more...

OP posts:
Shayelle · 11/10/2017 08:02

Sometimes its fun to say any random thing just to watch them get irate and argue with you. Passes the time Grin

Gilead · 11/10/2017 12:19

Appropriating your experiences and making them his own. Eg. I got bullied at school in such and such a fashion. Next conversation that comes up along these lines the exact same thing happened to him and it's damaged him deeply.

Doingitalone · 11/10/2017 12:49

Thanks!!! Need a read 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

smotheroffive · 11/10/2017 17:20

Shayelle - how is it not abusive if you do it?

Personally I would never do that or advocate anyone else doing it because its highly unsafe practice even if you feel the need for a walloping to relieve the awful tension.

Shayelle · 11/10/2017 17:31

? Sorry think you've misread what I meant. Sometimes I used to prove myself right when i wondered if he did make a point of putting everything i said down/arguing with everything i said/did/thought, by merely coming out with a simple statement and seeing him think up the opposite to shut me down with. Very controlling..

Shayelle · 11/10/2017 17:33

For example, choosing a time for me to have my food shop delivered (bearing in mind we didnt even live together) i was always irately informed why the time i had chosen was a ridiculous choice and why another time would have been better Hmm

smotheroffive · 11/10/2017 17:36

Shayelle - the deliberately watching hjm getting irate did come across that way to me, understand better what you meant there now.

Shayelle · 11/10/2017 17:39

meaning of things goes awry sometimes when youre typing rather than talking doesnt it Smile i could never be bothered with the constant criticism etc so ended it.
Someone who constantly puts you down... big red flag

smotheroffive · 11/10/2017 17:40

Oooo hating the word ridiculous. I think that alone is another red flag!

Shayelle · 11/10/2017 17:41

Yeah.. or 'thats a woman for you'... fucking knob!!!!

ArchchancellorsHat · 11/10/2017 17:50

Believing all women are one big homogeneous group, rather than individuals. Women all like colourful clothes, women all like flowers, women are all so unreasonable. Women can't do this, they can't do that.

I find it also goes along with being completely controlling as women can't manage their own money or lives so need to be told when or if they can leave a relationship. I had a lucky escape from that nasty pos.

Awoof · 11/10/2017 18:22

One I encountered very recently (third date)
"I would never hit a female"
Why would a man need to say That?? Surely that is a reasonable assumption and doesn't need staying.
We weren't discussing domestic violence fyi, just general deal breakers.
I decided he wasn't for me and politely told him so and he sent me page after page of messages saying horrible shit.
Close shave!

smotheroffive · 11/10/2017 20:49

I had that one upthread awoof altho I wasnt as bright as you and headed completely the wrong direction

IzzyFureel · 11/10/2017 20:55

I think lovebombing/future faking is one of the biggest red flags. If they declare love really soon and start talking about moving in/trips abroad/christmas etc - they're either love bombing you or future faking or both, and it's going to end in tears

I do think you can tell a lot from how they talk to waiters/shop staff. I had one boyfriend who never said please or thank you

Agree wtih OP if they have no friends and they aren't in touch with their family - also a red flag.

If all the ex's are mad bitches.

If they say they don't really want a relationship - listen to them

yy to how they are with their kids (do they see/pay maintenance?).

Also they're probably married if they message a lot but can't follow through on dates.

BlackPepperCrab · 11/10/2017 20:59

The 2 main red flags for me are:

  1. Being dismissive
  2. Constant passive aggressiveness
raspberrysuicide · 11/10/2017 21:06

I had a very short text chat with a man a few weeks ago.
Red flags from the very first conversation!
Oh you have 2 children too, oh how lovely we are going to be a blended family.. .
After the 1st day he referred to himself as my new man and lover
The 3rd day he referred to me as "my partner" as in its not my partners fault that I did something.
At that point I told him to back off a bit which he did but the damage had been done by then.

smotheroffive · 12/10/2017 18:40

Blaming any woman/children around for being the problem. I was the problem now his latest 'instant family' is the cause of problems with his own dc. The sad thing is many people believe this including all dc across both families which means he's even turning her own dc against her

Massive red flag

Hermonie2016 · 12/10/2017 19:12

Mine are subtle red flags which suggest much more manipulative nature.

Not being derogatory about the ex but never taking any responsibility.Subtely blaming her.
He was an excellent nrp father but his children are his trophies.
Excellent manners and softly spoken so everyone assumed he was gentle and kind.However he was never spontaneously kind.I would suggest kind acts, giving someone a lift or help a neighbour, but he never thought of anything.
Lack of empathy and compassion, said platitudes but I never felt it was real.
Hardly any friends, more acquaintances, but not people who really knew him.

I had intuition that something wasn't right but he really was "perfect" on the outside and fooled everyone who met him.
It was however a mask and I am now super wary of outwardly perfect men.They often portray an image of who they want people to think they are vs how they really are.

Time40 · 12/10/2017 19:26

They put photos of themselves on Facebook and blank out other people. Unless this is a child this is odd and suggests they see other people as props in their life

Good list. This one above could be because the person hasn't asked permission to show a photo on social media, though, and wants to preserve the privacy of the others. I'd be very annoyed if someone put a photo of me on social media without my permission.

BlackPepperCrab · 12/10/2017 20:13

Good list. This one above could be because the person hasn't asked permission to show a photo on social media, though, and wants to preserve the privacy of the others. I'd be very annoyed if someone put a photo of me on social media without my permission.

I agree. I've always requested for me to be cut out of all Facebook pictures if possible. To me, it's no one's business where I am/who I'm with/etc. Nothing to do with them thinking of me as a prop in their life.

SevenStones · 12/10/2017 20:16

Hi

I'm new here. I wish I'd known about Mumsnet when I was in my abusive marriage. I would have got out a lot sooner. :)

Here are my red flags:

OTT attention from the very start. I had been through a lot when I met my now XH and was very vulnerable. He seemed like a knight in shining armour. Showered me with flowers, paid off some debt, drove six hours every weekend to see me. I was just so relieved I didn't have to cope on my own anymore that I fell into his arms.

Criticism of his XW. She was vile apparently and I was naive and took it all in and felt sorry for him. I didn't question why he went on holiday with her and her partner. In our early days I 'rescued' him from a holiday where he was apparently having a terrible time and we stayed in a hotel. But the night before she'd been there with him. [This now sounds completely daft on my part!]

Telling me I was over sensitive - he used to say things that were apparently funny but they were jokes at my expense - "Little jokettes" he called them - and very hurtful

Being supportive but actually undermining me. This was mainly with work. he'd say how wonderful I was, and be supportive when I got a job (I'd had to move to the other end of the country to be with him - another red flag!) But then he would say what a shame it was we couldn't do this or that anymore because of the job until it got so much I gave it up.

Using my mental health problems against me. In the beginning it was what a shame that my mental health problems meant I couldn't keep a job for any length of time (after he'd undermined me to the extent I gave them up). In the end I believed I was insane mainly because...

What I now know to be gaslighting. We would have discussions about things, then decide on a course of action. He would never act so I ended up being the one putting things into practice. Then he would get angry about it and want to know why I was doing x or y. I'd say because we decided, he would argue that we didn't decide anything at all and that I'd got the wrong end of the stick. [I put our house on the market twice because we decided we were moving, then had to take it off again!] He even did this after we split. We had to stay in the house together for a short while and he said he would continue to pay the bills because I had no job, and that we'd do this until the house was sold. Then suddenly we were having a "little chat" and he said how could I think we would do that? And I'm sat there all confused feeling sure we had agreed.

He was a horrible, horrible man. But I didn't see it until he'd persuaded me that I was insane. Over the years I had tried and tried to do something to improve my mental health. In the end I was an outpatient at the local psychiatric hospital. Ironically, it's this that gave me the strength to leave him, although it took a couple of years after my psychotherapy ended for me to actually do it. Deep down I knew I wasn't as he made out I was.

He would give up activities and then make out it was my fault he didn't do them any more because I wouldn't do them with him. His father used to hit his mum but he wasn't an abuser because he'd never hit me.

I'm left with physical health problems because he would deliberately make meals that I couldn't eat (e.g putting a full bottle of Madras curry paste in a small curry) and sit next to me and make out how hard done by he was because he'd made an effort to cook for me. I've now got stomach and gut problems that make eating problematic for me.

The one good thing was that because someone else put money into our house when we bought it, we had a legal document drawn up that meant when I left him and the house was sold, I got 50% of what was left after the other person was paid back. There was no get out, that had to be the way it was split. I'd probably be destitute now otherwise because I can't work full time because of my health.

I feel guilty still sometimes because I didn't put 50% into the house, so I never tell anyone this. I also never speak about the abuse because I feel so stupid about it! Before I left him I ended up in A and E a few times because of the stomach/gut problems. When I left I had agrophobia and was terrified about going out on my own. I also could barely speak because by the end I got so many put downs and he had a very short fuse that I was too scared to speak.

With regards the red flags...he was okayish until the day we married. There were the signs, but they weren't that strong. We were married at 12pm and then went back to our room, and his personality changed completely from then on. I was laughing and joking and he cut me down and told me to shut up, that I was silly and had to grow up. Hence me becoming more and more silent over the years.

He got angry once because I had very bad influenza, could barely breath and couldn't go to a function with him. I now know I should have been in hospital.

My mum is elderly and partially sighted and he'd leave things out that she tripped over. I thought it was just thoughtlessness at the time but now I know it wasn't (although it's still hard for me to acknowledge that). She ended up with black eyes and bruises once. But of course he wasn't an abuser because he never laid a finger on me, no matter how much I provoked him...

As a warning to other women - I've never 100% recovered. I don't think you do. I was with him for a decade. It is 7 years on, my life is difficult, but I bought something frivolous the other day that cost a lot of money and it brought home to me how in control of myself, my money and my life I am even if I do buy things I don't really need. I would never have dared buy something when I was with him because he earnt the money and it wasn't fair for me to spend it on things for myself. I was forever 'sorting' the finances so he could have all the things he wanted because it was his money and I wasn't contributing anything. My BIG birthday was awful because I had tried to keep it so cheap that someone commented on it and on my husband. And I was annoyed because she was critical of my husband!!!!

After two years I wanted to leave but wasn't brave enough. I got pregnant and terminated the pregnancy because the thought that my baby would grow up to have the same kind of father I had had horrified me and I had to save 'her' from my husband. I don't know why I didn't leave. I felt trapped and I had no friends and nowhere to go. I then tried to "make it work" until the eight year mark when I had psychotherapy. Then I completely gave up on making an effort to keep him from being angry and things got very bad then because I wasn't running around all the time. I don't know why I stayed after that. Eventually I just knew that I couldn't face a lifetime of what my life had become.

I've had CBT, psychotherapy and counselling since. It was when I told my counsellor about all this (the only person in real life) and she started crying that I first had an inkling that maybe it wasn't me, that maybe it wasn't my fault. The psychotherapy was because I had cancer and my reproductive organs were removed and it was very hard to deal with (part of me still believes it was punishment for what I did to my baby (however, I know really that this isn't true)).

I stumbled across mumsnet a week or so ago and have been reading other ladies' experiences with abusive relationships. I feel gratitude that I'm not there any more, anger that I'll never get over what happened to me, anger that he walked into a new relationship weeks after I left, sadness when I read other women making excuses for abuse or for not realising that it is abuse and for saying that they know their partner or husband is "a good man" deep down. That's what I thought. I really hope that many many women read this particular thread and that it gives them pause to think and perhaps the strength to leave and make their own way in the world, no matter how hard that is. It's so so hard. But being able to live is totally worth the trauma of going through it.

Sorry this is so long and has wandered away from being totally about red flags.

BlackPepperCrab · 12/10/2017 20:21

Another red flag I've found is that they set conditions i.e. "if you love me you'd...". Also applicable in its alternate form of "why don't do do x, do you not love me anymore?"

IzzyFureel · 12/10/2017 20:44

making helpful suggestions about what you should wear/how you should wear make up

Over gifting

I don't tend to go out with anyone who's newly separated - they are generally really messed up (or still living with their ex)

Grandiose gestures/views of their own brilliance and looking down on other people.

LIke hermonie I went out with someone really charming and lovely. None of my friends liked him. I ignored them because I thought he was gorgeous. In retrospect he was pretty narcisstic

yy gaslighting (my exh) but by that stage it's more than a red flag imo.

raspberrysuicide · 12/10/2017 20:47

I had a very controlling ex. The first thing he did was to tell me he didn't want a fat girlfriend and that I should lose weight.
I immediately went on a diet and he controlled what I ate from that moment on. If I wasn't dieting that meant I didn't love him.
He would get me to make him meals and sit in front of me and eat them while I had nothing.
In the end I was so hungry I used to get up in the middle of the night and have a sandwich while locked in the bathroom.
He used to check inside my mouth to see if i had been eating. If I had I clearly didn't love him...
We lived with his parents and younger siblings who apparently I upset all the time because I was arguing with him. So I had to basically shut up and put up. I had moved hundreds of miles to be with him and didn't know a soul. My mum was not supportive and miles away...
I left after 4 years but still have an eating disorder where I overeat and can't bear to be hungry.

SilverySurfer · 12/10/2017 21:14

Lovebombing you to the point where you feel in danger of being suffocated - often a precursor to him becoming a controlling arse. Run!

If the bloke is dodgy about you meeting family/friends won't talk about them etc - don't just accept whatever bullshit excuses he trots out. I fell seriously and deeply for a man who swore he was divorced, very conveniently for him all his family and most friends were in Ireland and he was in London. When the truth came out, that in fact he was still 'happily' married with wife and six children in Ireland, it very nearly finished me off and I still feel shame for what I did unknowingly to his wife.

If he leaves dishes next to but not in the dishwasher, crumbs and food on surfaces/floor after making a sandwich (the extent of his culinary skills) without cleaning up, has no problem leading you to his bed for the first night of passion, only for you to discover shiny green nylon sheets on the bed [shudders], doesn't know how to cook, doesn't know how to use a washing machine or any domestic appliance because Mummy did it for him - he will fully expect you to take on Mummy's role and as he is her raison d'etre and the light of her life, she is likely to be the MiL from hell to anyone who steals her baby. He will only get worse, not better.

In this scenario, on the train from London to Yorkshire going to meet potential MIL - he refused to drink a glass of beer because his mother did not approve of alcohol (he normally drank like a proverbial fish). MIL's first words to me were 'I suppose you made him grow THAT' whilst pointing in horror and disgust at the beard her baby son (39 years old) had decided to grow. I ran!

So many good ones already listed here. This thread should be made into a book and forcibly thrust into the hands of every woman about to go on a first date Grin

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